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To just want a rant about my tenant (maybe some advice if possible but...)

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LandlordWorries · 14/01/2022 01:34

(I apologise in advance if this is a bit muddled, I am soooo tired)!

She's not been the best of tenants. Always had something going wrong,some issue, something to complain about but I'd quickly sort it, I've never had a tenant complain as much however,something seemed to go wrong constantly. She took the flooring up without permission, removed my (beautiful!) fireplace, which I knew nothing of until I spotted it outside after visting for a different reason so luckily I was able to rescue it-not exhaustive. She's had fires in her garden which have worried the neighbours, I've had complaints from other neighbours about rubbish, dirty nappies, takeaway boxes outside... It's not a scruffy area, nothing special but a nice house in a quiet street. I always get things sorted the moment I know about them, and have never let her down or not got something done she's asked for.

A few months ago she asked for a certain job doing. It wasn't essential, just her preference so I got a tradesperson in touch with her to do it. She never got back to them.

She then complained that it hadn't been done so I explained to her about not messing this person about, and got another tradesperson to get in touch with her. Never answered her phone-in between this obviously these people contacted me, and I rang her, no answer, text her asked why she hadn't been in touch, she said she had.. I had screenshots sent proving she hadn't (you get the picture I guess).

Anyway, she hasn't paid her rent since September. She didn't respond to any messages about this, from me, until I sent her notices of s21 and s8 eviction.

When she finally responded to my messages she said because Id not got the above job done and that she wasn't paying me anything until she had had a meeting with the council about the dangerous house she was living in.

I responded that I had proof that I'd tried my best to get the job done and she hadn't allowed access, and that the job didn't deem the house dangerous at all.

She then told me she wasn't paying because her universal credit hadn't been paid. I asked why, and she said she needed to send them a bill and a copy of her tenancy agreement. I sent her the latter and told her to download a bill online.

Council subsequently rang me and I explained. Meeting took place, I couldn't attend due to work, ad sent a representative. Council were very matter of fact, told tenant that nothing much was wrong and that they'd tell me to get the job done and that she needed to pay her rent.

The council also rang me later that day and asked would I let her stay in the property if they paid her arrears. I said no, she's troublesome and she's damaged my lovely house and I want her gone.

I arranged the job to be done (along with another small job for an electrician, one of her children had swung off a wall lamp and broken it, I was unaware until after the meeting) and she told me she had covid so they couldn't come in, but that shed be out by the 8th of January (the date for the section 8).I told her I would not pursue her for what she owed provided she vacated on the 8th, otherwise I will serve s21 and she'll be taken to court, risk a CCJ etc.

Anyway, she hasn't gone.When I messaged her on the 8th asking her to give me 30 mins notice and I would come and collect the key, she said she would but then I heard nothing. Following day she said she still had some belongings to collect but it would be done by Monday (10th). I arranged to meet her at the property that morning. She wasn't there (I don't think she's lived there properly for ages to be honest, I think she's always at her Mothers) and there were 6 bags of rubbish in the front garden, lots of toys piled up in the back garden, generally a mess...). I was rather annoyed as I work nights and was really very tired, but whatever.

I asked her for a date, again today and she's said something along the lines of 'Still got stuff to get out and I dunno, I've got children to look after so It's not easy getting stuff all the time'.

Grr. I am awaiting a court date. She also wouldn't let the man in to do a recent gas safety inspection, he had done the first part to it but had to return-so I need to meet him there to get that signed off soon.I'll try arrange that in next couple of days.

I've got two other tenants who are a breeze, so lovely and always full of praise as they've had awful landlords before me and are grateful of how I try my best to look after things. It's such a contrast. I had a bit of a bad feeling about her when I first took her on but I ignored it. Really shouldn't have!

AIBU to hope she gets a horrid landlord next time if she ever bloody goes

I am not loaded despite what folk think of landlords sometimes, and this is all really stressful :(

OP posts:
mycatistrans · 14/01/2022 05:57

You sound like you've done your best! She sounds a nightmare. Hope court goes well and you get her out quickly.

twinkletoesimnot · 14/01/2022 06:32

She does sound like a pain.
But not loaded?
4 houses? (3 rented out and your own home?) Yes, it must be very stressful.... you could always sell them.

Conspiracyornotr · 14/01/2022 06:36

Some people just take the piss @LandlordWorries take everything they can get and don't pay rent etc . I hope you get this sorted I bet it is very stressful I wouldn't be able to keep My cool I would be getting arrested as I would ne dragging her out she doesn't sound very nice . X

CrackerGal · 14/01/2022 06:46

She sounds awful, you've had the patience of a Saint.
Hope you can get her out ASAP & get your property back 💐

phishy · 14/01/2022 06:47

You need to get rid of her ASAP.

I was so stressed reading that I couldn’t finish.

You need to stop being so understanding and get assertive and no-nonsense.

Cherrysoup · 14/01/2022 06:51

Get the court date done, get her out, employ an agent next time to run references, including from prior landlords. I’m shocked that the council said you had to get an unnecessary job done-why?

SomebodysMum · 14/01/2022 06:54

That does sound very stressful.

Perhaps don’t be a landlord any more.

Sparklfairy · 14/01/2022 06:54

@twinkletoesimnot stop it. Profits month to month on a BTL are minimal at best, having an asset that has a current but not realised value doesnt make her loaded. Plus all the running around shes had to do with this tenant probably equates to earning about £1 an hour! And I say that as a tenant who pays a huge amount of rent.

OP you've been too lenient with her, but there is still a court backlog, so you're in for a wait.

TellMeItsPossible · 14/01/2022 06:56

So other families are forced to find somewhere else to live? Great solution!

verytiredofbeingshoutedat · 14/01/2022 06:58

She sounds a nightmare tennant

Good luck in pursuing eviction

You should pursue her though courts for unpaid rent so she gets a ccj against her and cost up damage she did that you can prove outlay for and remove that from protected deposit

I have no sympathy for this tenant as you sound a very reasonable landlord who tried and tried again

needmoreshinys · 14/01/2022 06:58

I think you have been a pushover.

If you have 3 rentals then you need to run them as a business, you are not their friend, you are their landlord

Its their home, but its not their property. The fireplace should have been the time to give notice.

And I say this as a tennant in a really shit run flat at the moment

Conspiracyornotr · 14/01/2022 06:59

@TellMeItsPossible you can't just live somewhere for free ! If you don't pay the rent u then get them out !!

Rainydonkey · 14/01/2022 07:00

If she has already moved out and just has some property left there what's to stop you going in and changing the locks? She can then arrange a time to collect her last few bits, or you can leave it somewhere for her?

LethargicActress · 14/01/2022 07:09

It sounds like you're already doing all the right things, keep going, this awful woman won't be your problem forever.

Too often tenants get away with things like this because landlords are so grateful to get rid of them that they don't fight for the lost rent and damages, but if you can, you should fight for what you are owed

Hyenaormeercat · 14/01/2022 07:12

She has probably been advised to stay put until bailiff eviction as if she leaves before the council will deem she has made herself homeless and won't help.

Unfortunately it's part and parcel of being a landlord. It won't always go well with some tenants, not all cope with 'adult life' well, some will be financially chaotic, some socially.

Presumably you took out insurance against non payment and damage?

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be"

Renter and landlord..

To those saying 'get her out' it's not that simple. There are all the procedures to navigate on both sides.
If landlords can't take the hit they can't afford to be landlords.

TellMeItsPossible · 14/01/2022 07:15

[quote Conspiracyornotr]@TellMeItsPossible you can't just live somewhere for free ! If you don't pay the rent u then get them out !![/quote]
Agreed, I had a failed quote attempt and was referring to the suggestion OP sells up all ger properties, even with the other tenants she has a good relationship with

Foolsrule · 14/01/2022 07:16

You don’t sound like a very clued up landlord! A nice person, yes, but you’ve shot yourself in the foot here.

fiorentina · 14/01/2022 08:15

She sounds a nightmare and I think you’ve tried your best. It is the danger of being a landlord. Many tenants are excellent but as with anything in life, some take the piss. Hopefully it will get sorted soon.

LandlordWorries · 15/01/2022 00:24

Thank you for all the responses, sorry I work nights and have been busy all day.

Twinkletoesimnot No, I am definitely not loaded. I own them with a business partner so I can't sell them even if I wanted to (which I don't).

Yes conspiracyornotr it is beyond me that anyone feels they can freeload like she is. My partner said the same about that she'd have ended up getting arrested!

phishy yes, I am beginning to realise that, I jsut don't know where to begin with it really.

Cherrysoup Prior landlord references aren't worth much unfortunately, as they often lie to get them out if they're bad! The job wasn't necessary, she wanted a particular type of lock on one of her doors, not a requirement but not something I'm adverse to getting done. In any case It's not done now as she's not allowed access and I won't get it done now, she's meant to have gone!

somebodysmum I think I've been spoiled before, in that I've always had great tenants. I've never experienced anything like this before.

sparklfairy Yes they are very minimal! I am grateful for being in an advantageous position of course I am, but a high earner I am not!
The backlog is nowhere near as bad as it was thankfully.

TellMeIt's possible my other tenants are a dream. I had a xmas card from (the newest)one that her children had drawn telling me thank you for giving us a lovely home (she's been living with family after fleeing a domestic abuse situation so I am so pleased she's happy), and the other one, I told her I'd make some improvements to her house and now I can't because my money is down due to this situation and I apologised and siad I'd sort it as soon as possible, and she responded how I was a great LL and she's not bothered and not to apologise, bless her-so this horrid tenant is making me let my lovely ones down too :(

verytiredofbeingshoutedat thank you, yes I will do that.

needmoreshinys yes, I agree, I have [angry}. I did have reservations about her and I should have trusted my instincts.

rainydonkey I am not allowed legally to do that :(

OP posts:
TabithaTittlemouse · 15/01/2022 00:35

She ripped up the flooring and took out the fireplace?
You should have evicted her when she did this!

StarbucksSmarterSister · 15/01/2022 00:43

She ripped up the flooring and took out the fireplace? You should have evicted her when she did this!

And reported her to the police, it's criminal damage, surely?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/01/2022 00:46

She won't be housed by the council unless the bailiffs physically put her out onto the street.

She can't leave until that point - you have to do it.

LandlordWorries · 15/01/2022 23:41

Lethargic yes, I keep telling mnyself that. She can't stay there forever.

Yes, I told her I wouldn't pursue if she was out by the 8th. But she isn't so I will pursue her for all she owes (and court fees).

hyeneaormeercat yes, that is probably what it is.

I can afford the hit, but I'd much prefer to not have to.

tellmeitspossible I knew what you meant :)

foolsrule do you mean I should have got her out earlier? Possibly yes. I'd have likely been in the same situation though.

tabitha I considered it, but then I thought, she has put new flooring down (her kid's father did it, they're no longer together) and the fireplace can go back in.
The police wouldn't have done anything, starbucks I know that, Ive seen similar complaints go thruogh to them (I used to work for them).

neverdropyourmooncup yes, I suspect that. I've sent her messages asking her her intentions, no response. I do not want to end up getting apprehended for harassment so I haven't said anything since.

I don't know if I should do anything now other than just wait for a court date.

OP posts:
Danikm151 · 15/01/2022 23:50

Too many people get away with antics like this and it gives a bad name to good tenants.
Stand firm, push for what you are owed. She will have been getting uc if the council held a meeting.

hibbledibble · 16/01/2022 00:04

If she is not living at the property, can you get legal advice on changing the locks, on the basis of it being abandoned?

If not, then pursue legal route for eviction due to non-payment of rent (surely you could have done this sooner?)

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