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MrsBallen · 08/01/2022 20:06

Hello everyone,

Just looking for a bit of advice and/or opinions really.

I have been working as a receptionist in a GP surgery for 9 months now. The job is ok, although there is a lot of discord between staff and management. Over the last few month I have noticed all the failings in the practice and it is starting to concern me, but I am not sure what to do about it.

One of the issues I have is that 3 of the doctors are over 80 years old. This is not the problem as such but their attitudes are very old school and they are more often than not grumpy and snap at us. The main GP will come into the office, bark orders at the first person he sees and if we need to ask anything he shouts "how can we work like this!?" and storms off. He talks really fast and has absolutely no patience or common courtesy. If I mention it to the practice manager her response is "oh that's just Dr X's way". I've never experienced this sort of treatment from superiors in any other job I've had.

This is just a small example of what we have to put up with.

Another doctor will do things like promising things to patients and then forgetting, so we have to put up with the patient being frustrated and complaining at us a few days later. Also, there is a process in place whereby if a patient wants their medical records or whatever they have to request it in writing (just a quick Email is enough but we need a written record). Dr Y will just tell them they can have whatever they want, so when they ask us for it and we say they need to make a written request then they complain because of what the doctor has said. But he doesn't care about the process we have to follow! Once a patient got so aggressive I had to threaten him with police, it was dreadful and I felt really shaken.

Yesterday I was dealing with a patient that he had just seen in his room. He put one type of blood test request on the computer system, and then scribbled down a different request on a bit of paper and gave it to the patient. When I phoned through to him to get clarification he shouted back at me and treated me like I am stupid (which I am not!) He didn't even know who I was talking about until I reminded him that the patient literally just left his room.

This doctor also makes weird "jokes" in the office about the patients, things like "they should all be sent to the gallows with no trial!" Or "line em all up against a wall" or "they need 40 lashes! Every one of them!"

I'm fed up of this treatment from the doctors. I may be just a lowly receptionist but we are a vital cog in the whole machine. I have spoken to patients who haven't received the care they need. They say "I don't want to have an appointment with Dr X, he won't listen to me".

I think that if they're overworked and stressed to such an extent then they should retire. I wonder if I should make a complaint, but who to?

Any thoughts?

OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2022 20:10

My understanding of GPs surgeries is that they actually OWN the Practice so getting rid of them will be impossible
You could report to the GMC if you think they are doing anything actually dangerous or negligent but other than that there’s not much you can do I don’t think.
I doubt you have much in the way of HR to speak to about your treatment either
Basically you have no power at all here, sorry

YourenutsmiLord · 08/01/2022 20:10

If they are doing things which put patients at risk that's one thing. But being grumpy and rude - not sure who you complain to. I would encourage the patients to complain to ?the BMA if they are being wrongly treated.
Are they allowed to work into their 80s - I would think not.

CorrBlimeyGG · 08/01/2022 20:14

Unless it's a CCG managed practice (rare), then you'd need to complain to the practice partners, which I'm assuming is them?

Doctors are allowed to work until any age, so long as they are capable. Is the miserable 80 year old less capable than a miserable 60 year old?

CorrBlimeyGG · 08/01/2022 20:15

I would encourage the patients to complain to ?the BMA if they are being wrongly treated.

The BMA are a trade union body. They don't take complaints about their members!

MrsBallen · 08/01/2022 20:16

@YourenutsmiLord

If they are doing things which put patients at risk that's one thing. But being grumpy and rude - not sure who you complain to. I would encourage the patients to complain to ?the BMA if they are being wrongly treated. Are they allowed to work into their 80s - I would think not.
Well yes actually the patients are at risk. The pathology lab rang to say a blood test was showing a high risk of blood clots. When my colleague took this info to the main GP he just waved her away and said "it's not that high, don't bring this to me." It was in fact very high. My colleague was furious. Later on something finally got done for the patient but seriously it was urgent and I believe the patient ended up having to be rushed into hospital.
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Spud1130 · 08/01/2022 20:20

Would the NHS whistleblowing policy be appropriate?

Greybeardy · 08/01/2022 20:22

Those doctors will still be having appraisals and revalidating, which requires patient and colleague feedback on a regular basis - if they’re that bad it will already all be known about and either it’s being managed or ignored. A practice that has 3 octogenarians working at it sounds like it’s probably in a bad way!

Rainartist · 08/01/2022 20:47

@YourenutsmiLord

If they are doing things which put patients at risk that's one thing. But being grumpy and rude - not sure who you complain to. I would encourage the patients to complain to ?the BMA if they are being wrongly treated. Are they allowed to work into their 80s - I would think not.
Concerns about fitness to practice should be reported to the GMC not the BMA.
RagzReturnedUnwrapped · 08/01/2022 20:57

I work in general practice, there is very little oversight or consistency to it. It should be brought under full NHS management and all care standardised so that every practice treats all their patients equally.

I've seen similar issues with GPs who should be retired by now, who have little respect for protocols and NICE guidelines etc. Or tell patients things that we then find hard to make happen as it isn't the way it is meant to be done. It is frustrating.

People mentioned appraisals and CPD, but no one really does anything if those don't happen for GPs. Nurses, however, have to revalidate and the NMC is a lot less forgiving than the GMC. Also why nurses tend to be more concerned with legalities and risk, our governing body comes down hard on us while the GMC mostly defends its members.

Greybeardy · 08/01/2022 20:59

@RagzReturnedUnwrapped GPs definitely have to revalidate - you cannot remain on the GMC register without.

Christmascardsontheshelf · 08/01/2022 21:05

my old doctor was very old and when I went to him about my Pnd he said I should be fine as I am married and ended the appointment. I ended up hospitalised and moved GP. Best decision

October2020 · 08/01/2022 21:06

Some totally incorrect information on here. You have three options:
Contact the LMC (who in my experience stand up for themselves)
Contact the GMC
Contact their responsible officer which you will be able to find on the GMC record (scroll down, it will say who it is there).

But bluntly, unless they're doing something that is actually risking patient safety, you won't get very far.

Franticbutterfly · 09/01/2022 00:32

Sounds pretty standard to me. Don't take their crap, if you answer back and stand your ground they'll knock it on the head...always works for me anyway.

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