To ask your opinions on Amber Heard and Johnny Depp?

[Pugmomma]

As above really.. having watched the documentary on discovery + and it being in the tabloids most days.. Why would Depp sue for libel and risk his career further (what’s left of it) if he was lying?

Also an interesting read on it - www.divorcesolicitors.com/the-jonny-depp-and-amber-heard-fiasco/

What are your views?

@Theunamedcat

I'm sorry you had to go through this, but I'm making a different point entirely -- that just because other people say "well, he didn't abuse me" doesn't suddenly prove that someone else hasn't been abused by that person. You also say that a stroke turned your dad into a mild mannered man... well isn't there a chance that alcohol and drugs have fried Johnny's brain and turned him violent against Amber even if he was mild mannered with previous partners? Obviously I don't know if that has happened, I'm just saying we can't use past relationships as evidence of someone not being an abuser.

@Bunnybunny1

That she is abusive and a massive Narc and he is an addict. Perfect storm.

This

The balance of power with his previous partners has been very different - I'd say with partners pre-Paradis it was fairly equal, then with Paradis it was him playing at 'normal', whereas with Heard he is very much the box office lead, the Hollywood hero.

I also think that where there are children and divorce settlements and NDAs, people aren't going to come forward and say 'this happened to me too'. And that that kind of relationship, some partners (women) will walk on eggshells for years and years to keep the peace, and often don't even realise they're doing it.

I also think toxic relationships are a 'thing' where people can bring out the worse in each other.

So I think this is a perfect storm where Depp has always had this behaviour in him, but circumstances and women he's been with have helped him manage it. Massive alcohol/drug abuse and a toxic/combatative relationship has brought out the worst in him - but I don't actually think that's AH's fault. And also she isn't the one on trial. To answer your question as to why he's continuing with court cases - narcissists gonna narc.

Weren’t things quite intense with him and Kate moss? I’m sure I read about her being in a hotel room all night with him and it wasn’t great. I think that was put as being both of them though

I remember seeing their apology over smuggling their dogs into Australia and thinking it was one ofnthe weirdest things I'd seen. I thought it was a joke to begin with 🤔

It seems like their relationship was very toxic and neither of them came across as victims.

@Hospedia

What are your views?

That two people can be decent with previous/future partners but when they're with that particular partner they bring out the absolute worst in one another. That both partners can be abusive to one another and that no one deserves to be abused in their relationship regardless of who said or did what.

This in spades.

(For what it’s worth, this is also my personal conviction that is what happened in that dreadful episode with Justin Lee Collins too. IIRC his previous exes gave glowing character references for him and it really seemed like he and that girlfriend were toxic together and just brought out the worst in each other.)

None of us know what exactly went down between them behind closed doors so our speculation doesn’t mean much. I think it’s likely there was abuse and toxicity on both sides and they brought out the worst in each other. I do believe Depp is an addict with bad substance issues, allegedly he needs his lines fed through an earpiece on set as he can’t remember them which is sad if true.

Why would Depp sue for libel and risk his career further (what’s left of it) if he was lying?

Again we don’t know what’s true or not but it’s important to remember celebrities aren’t like you or me. They’re adored and surrounded by yes men so I can see why you might in theory feel confident you’d win a case like that regardless of what’s true - especially if you have money hungry lawyers in your ear telling you they’ll get you a big payout etc and it’s true that Depp has money issues. It’s also possible that even if it is true, he doesn’t view himself or what happened in that way so genuinely believed he was wronged.

Regardless of who is right or wrong I don’t like that article’s suggestion that abused women in relationships all appear a certain way. I can’t speak for Heard of course but I think it’s dangerous territory to suggest what the ‘right type of victim’ is like and that anyone who doesn’t fit that mould is potentially not telling the truth.

I was absolutely disgusted by his text conversation with Paul Bettany about her. Depraved and sickening.

@ImmediatelyNo

I was absolutely disgusted by his text conversation with Paul Bettany about her. Depraved and sickening.

Shocked to the core

Depp is utterly vile

I believe he was violent towards her. Regardless of her being not such a nice person (I’m not sure if she is or isn’t it doesn’t matter) she didn’t deserve to be hit we have seen him raging when he is drunk we know he has a tendency to smash up hotel rooms but that was all ok because he is a cool artist 🙄

And why would he challenge this well for years he has had yes people around him, that along with the cult like adoration mixed with the heavy drug use and drinking he has become incredibly arrogant

He is the guy at a party you would swerve it’s just that he is famous people want to buy into the tortured soul pr rubbish that is fed to the media

ImmediatelyNo. I totally agree, I came on to say that the texts with Paul Bettany about Amber were shocking and disturbing. And Paul Bettany whinging about lawyers going through 10 years of lawyers after what he had 'joked' about - another sewer rat

I believe he was violent towards her

As was she to him.

Well it isn’t unusual for a women to fight back

Should women be passive ? So that are the right type of victim

I was told I wouldn’t be able to press charges because my ex had scratches on his chest and face. I had concussion and was being kept in overnight in hospital. That was 1994 sadly some attitudes haven’t changed

@Bunnybunny1

That she is abusive and a massive Narc and he is an addict. Perfect storm.

Yep.

@GoGoGretaDoll

The balance of power with his previous partners has been very different - I'd say with partners pre-Paradis it was fairly equal, then with Paradis it was him playing at 'normal', whereas with Heard he is very much the box office lead, the Hollywood hero.

I also think that where there are children and divorce settlements and NDAs, people aren't going to come forward and say 'this happened to me too'. And that that kind of relationship, some partners (women) will walk on eggshells for years and years to keep the peace, and often don't even realise they're doing it.

I also think toxic relationships are a 'thing' where people can bring out the worse in each other.

So I think this is a perfect storm where Depp has always had this behaviour in him, but circumstances and women he's been with have helped him manage it. Massive alcohol/drug abuse and a toxic/combatative relationship has brought out the worst in him - but I don't actually think that's AH's fault. And also she isn't the one on trial. To answer your question as to why he's continuing with court cases - narcissists gonna narc.

All of the above. Johnny was on trial, not Amber, and he was found guilty twice over. Amber may have been less compliant than his other partners, who knows, but the level of victim blaming there has been in this case was obscene. Johnny Depp clearly has major issues, and seems to surround himself with sycophants.

I was really appalled by his conversation with Paul Bettany, and I don't flinch easily.

He's an alcoholic druggie. He smashed places up and smeared his blood up walls and expected other people to clear it up. He's disgusting. I don't think it makes any difference if he hadn't been abusive to other women, someone has to be first. It might well have been Amber Heard. He's a great actor.

She's manipulative. She could have left at any time, she had money and friends who according to them offered her somewhere to stay. I hate one sided recordings. Who knows what had been said before? She poohed in his bed. She took men back to their/Depp's apartment. She is disgusting. She is a bad actress.

I can't muster any sympathy for either except that when he was with Paradis, he did such lovely kind stuff for children. I never heard anything nice about Amber Heard.

I absolutely believe she abused him. She threw a vodka bottle at him and took the top of his finger off. There are loads of pictures of him with bruises and cigarette burns on him taken by (neutral) third parties.

What she did to him was many degrees more serious than anything which there is objective evidence of him doing to her; there are no objective witnesses to him ever physically abusing her, whereas there is evidence her own sister thought she was abusive to him. I her I also think if he had hit her - certainly if he had hit her in the way she claims, three day hostage situation etc - he would have hurt her quite badly, and it would not have been coverable on TV with make up as she claims.

She has a previous history of having been arrested for partner abuse; there was a line of previous partners for him volunteering that he wasn't like that with them.

He has given a lot of money to Great Ormond Hospital; she claimed she'd given her divorce settlement away but hasn't actually done so (I believe she's untruthful).

I initially believed her, just as a default because I believe women don't make up stories about abuse. But at the start of 2021(?) when the tapes hit the internet I listened to the recordings and she both admits to hitting him and says nobody will believe him claiming to be a victim of domestic abuse. She sounded absolutely like an abuser to me.

Both of them toxic and loopy.

Well this aged badly. Ignorance.