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AIBU re my father's drinking?

20 replies

FeelingBlu92 · 04/01/2022 20:12

I keep swinging between thinking I'm being OTT and ridiculous and thinking actually if I don't listen to how I feel now I'll just drown in the toxicity.

I'm pushing 30 but still live at home with my parents. I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which means I'm almost always exhausted and I have cognitive issues, so I just can't seem to understand things other people find straightforward.

My father, now in his 70's, is alcohol dependent. It's not that he's swigging back 20 cans a day or anything, but he watches the clock and as soon as it gets to 8pm he's at the gin and tonic, then wine with supper. He has reduced his intake massively over the last 5 years or so but the truth is he's hammered his liver so hard over the decades it just can't cope any more and by 2 doubles he's staggering, slurring, saying silly things and often getting belligerent. I just take my supper upstairs on a tray to get away from it all but it's not uncommon for it to result in needless arguments with my mum. He has in the past been violent towards her. Not frequently but enough that it's always there in the back of my mind. He does have an aggressive side to his nature generally. He was heavy handed with us as children, which he actually jokes about now, but even as an older teen and adult he's been violent towards me on occasion, one time even getting his hands round my neck and shaking me, which gave me whiplash for over a year. That was around 10 years back now but I'll never forget it.

Last Christmas, which was a shitshow generally, my mum disclosed to my sister and me about the times he's turned on her while drunk when they were on holiday alone together - once even trying to throw her downstairs! We sat him down and said it could never happen again, that he needed to seek professional help. He insisted that he would tackle his dependency alone. We drew up some rules such as no drinking at lunchtime and only one glass of G&T and one of wine in the evenings, plus 2 alcohol free days a week. We said the gin would have to be measured out properly and made it clear if he couldn't stick to this he would need to go to the doctors. He insisted he could control it.

Well, he hasn't. Even as far back as January or February last year he dispensed with the measuring, then went to 'washing out the bottle with tonic' when it was 'nearly empty' and topping up with that, then just topping up generally. My mum's on medication that pretty much wipes he out in the evenings so although she was noticing she didn't feel up to tackling him. He'd argue that he wouldn't be able to fully enjoy her cooking without a drink. Basically just slipped back into old habits. I've noticed but never had the nerve to confront him over it.

I was really keen to tackle him properly in the autumn with my mum and sister showing a united front, but he'd had an operation and was taking out the stress on my mum generally, just being snappy and hostile, and she said she didn't want us to rock the boat further. I did bring it up casually a couple of times during advent, stressing how important it was to me that we all have a nice calm relaxed family Christmas unlike last year.

Well you can probably imagine how it's been. He got fairly sloshed on Christmas Eve, wrote a note 'To Santa' and left out a glass of spirits, which he went ahead and drank first thing when we came down on Christmas morning. He drank every evening, not excessively, but for 5 or 6 days in a row when we'd agreed last year he wouldn't do that. On the 28th he was all set to get himself a gin and tonic but I reminded him that he should be having an alcohol free evening. He at first made out I was joking and then when I insisted he got sulky and huffy about it, but he didn't drink. He made up for that over the next few nights, especially New Years Eve when he kept topping up. I didn't say anything in front of my mum as I didn't want to cause a late night argument but as soon as she'd gone to bed he went back to the bottle, although already thoroughly pissed. I had to physically stop him and ended up getting shouty with him myself, reminding him of what he'd agreed last year and how he'd just carried on regardless. He put it back and 'went to bed' but came back down when he thought my sister and I had left the kitchen, clearly with the intention of going back to it.

I felt so utterly wiped out by it I couldn't even get out of bed all day on the 1st, but on the 2nd I rallied my mum and sister and we had another showdown. I said he had to go to the doctors, that he'd had all year to show us he could control himself and he clearly couldn't. He absolutely flatly refused. He apologised for New Years Eve and said he'd REALLY tackle it this year.

Well if any of you know any addicts you'll know that's nothing but bullshit. I feel so, so hurt by him. He can't help the addiction, that I have empathy for, but I despise him for the metaphorical middle finger he's giving us. Quite honestly I want nothing more to do with him. He's making it clear what his priorities are and it's not our family.

The worst thing though is that now my mum and my sister have fallen out with me. They think the lesser of evils is to just go along with it and pretend it's all going to be Ok. My sister's been lecturing me with a sad face about how 'We need to support him' and 'He is really trying!' (it's been 2 fucking days!!!!) while my mum is really sad because we have leftover Christmas presents and she wants us to sit around being jolly and cosy opening them as a family. The thought of being in the same house as him makes me feel sick, never mind the same room. I just loathe him for what he's done to us. My mum, sister and I all have anxiety issues that are definitely exacerbated by his behaviour, and he knows it. He just doesn't care enough to do a thing about it.

I'm so sad that my mum's taking it out on me. She's not speaking to me because I've 'ruined Christmas' by bringing it up and my sister's gone trailing back to her house feeling flattened and miserable because of all the upset (I've?) caused.

Please advise me Mumsnet. I don't even know if I'm being rational.

YABU - all families are complicated and have ups and downs. You should give your dad another chance to show he means it this time, slap on a smile and look forward to next Christmas as it could all be much more positive by then.

YANBU - addicts CAN'T change by themselves. It's not your fault for trying to tackle it and you should do whatever you can to remove yourself from this toxic situation.

Sorry for the mega long post! Any advise gratefully received.

OP posts:
Candied · 04/01/2022 20:20

If you’re not happy with your home situation then you need to move out. There is no way in hell I’d have one of my adult children dictating to me in my own home.

TooWicked · 04/01/2022 20:21

Move out.

It’s not your business to act as the gatekeeper between your dad and booze including “physically stopping” him.

You’re nearly 30, time to get your own place.

Lipstickandlashes · 04/01/2022 20:23

I’m so sorry that you’re stuck in this desperate situation. I know that you’re trying to protect your mum (and by extension, your dad from his own behaviour) but - and I say this kindly - this isn’t your job. I’d start to look at what a scenario where you live outside their home might look like.

I know that you’ve got underlying health conditions that could make this tough, but living in a state of constant anxiety must be damaging in its own right.

The only thing you can control is your place in this dynamic and trying to remove yourself. I’d focus on that. You may find that in its own way, that focuses your parents’ minds on the changes they need to make.

Very best of luck. You sound like a lovely person and deserve a happy life.

tricksyt · 04/01/2022 20:24

It sounds like you need to move out. You're an adult, you need a home of your own.

This trying to manage/force moderation in alcoholics does not work. He needs to want to stop or moderate for it to work. You can't force this. He will probably move to secret drinking if you persist.

It won't work unless he's choosing to engage and actually cut down/stop himself.

gobbynorthernbird · 04/01/2022 20:24

YABU, but not for the reasons you give.

Wolfiefan · 04/01/2022 20:26

He clearly doesn’t want to stop drinking.
He won’t.
You can’t change that.
You can only change your response. You need to move out.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/01/2022 20:26

@Candied

If you’re not happy with your home situation then you need to move out. There is no way in hell I’d have one of my adult children dictating to me in my own home.
Are you a violent alcoholic, too?

(I'm assuming not - which makes your indignation at the thought of being told not to drink and get medical help for addiction somewhat irrelevant to the OP, as you're not scaring other family members with your behaviour).

Darbs76 · 04/01/2022 20:26

I’m going to agree and say you need to move out. His drinking isn’t healthy but he’s a grown adult and if anyone needs to tackle it with him it’s your mum. I think treating him like you are re drinking and rules clearly isn’t helping, he needs to want to stop, and he doesn’t. Time to move out

Candied · 04/01/2022 20:26

On the 28th he was all set to get himself a gin and tonic but I reminded him that he should be having an alcohol free evening

We drew up some rules such as no drinking at lunchtime and only one glass of G&T and one of wine in the evenings, plus 2 alcohol free days a week. We said the gin would have to be measured out properly and made it clear if he couldn't stick to this he would need to go to the doctors.

Who are you to decide what your dad does? I’m not going to make an assumption that he’s alcohol dependant or not but you certainly have control issues. I’m wondering which one of you actually needs help 🙄

Candied · 04/01/2022 20:27

Are you a violent alcoholic, too?

(I'm assuming not - which makes your indignation at the thought of being told not to drink and get medical help for addiction somewhat irrelevant to the OP, as you're not scaring other family members with your behaviour).

Advance search my name and please don’t be rude to me in future.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/01/2022 20:28

The first thing I’d also do is move out. And I’d encourage my Mum to leave him too.

Mamamamasaurus · 04/01/2022 20:28

Move out.

He isn't your responsibility and his drinking certainly isn't yours, or your mum's.

Suzi888 · 04/01/2022 20:28

There’s not a lot you can do, it would be your mum’s place to give him an ultimatum.

I do sympathise, it must be awful to live like this but it’s really up to him how much he drinks Sad.

theskyispurple · 04/01/2022 20:29

You cannot make him stop drinking - it doesn't work like that. Can I suggest you contact your local drug and alcohol
Addiction services or al-anon and start with getting help and support for yourself as the adult child of an addict? You will find all the answers and support there.

Munchyseeds · 04/01/2022 20:29

Yes time for you to move out and make a life you I think
You can't change anything other than that.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/01/2022 20:38

@Candied

Are you a violent alcoholic, too?

(I'm assuming not - which makes your indignation at the thought of being told not to drink and get medical help for addiction somewhat irrelevant to the OP, as you're not scaring other family members with your behaviour).

Advance search my name and please don’t be rude to me in future.

OK, I've searched. Can't see where I'm being rude when you clearly don't appear to have been a violent alcoholic like the OP's father. Very sorry to read about the loss of your brother, though.

Your reaction to 'being dictated to' would be fair enough when you made a choice to be healthier before there was a real problem. But the same doesn't apply in the case of somebody who has not only fucked their own liver, they've been at the point of potentially committing murder by shoving their spouse down the stairs.

I agree the OP needs to move out - but for her own safety, not because her father is being unfairly treated.

5128gap · 04/01/2022 20:50

@Candied

On the 28th he was all set to get himself a gin and tonic but I reminded him that he should be having an alcohol free evening

We drew up some rules such as no drinking at lunchtime and only one glass of G&T and one of wine in the evenings, plus 2 alcohol free days a week. We said the gin would have to be measured out properly and made it clear if he couldn't stick to this he would need to go to the doctors.

Who are you to decide what your dad does? I’m not going to make an assumption that he’s alcohol dependant or not but you certainly have control issues. I’m wondering which one of you actually needs help 🙄

This man gave the OP a whiplash injury by shaking her, has a history of violence towards his wife and threatened to throw her downstairs. If he isn't alcohol dependent he clearly has serious issues that make him a danger to others, which are exacerbated by alcohol. The OP is making an attempt to manage a chaotic and disfunctional situation to protect herself and her mother. I agree help is needed, but not for the reasons you imply.
DrinkFeckArseBrick · 04/01/2022 21:04

I think there is a middle ground here. Your family isnt functioning properly. Your mum and your sister are burying their heads in the sand. So it's more than normal family ups and downs.

But.

You can't get a long term abusive alcoholic to stop drinking by asking him to. If interventions worked then there would not be any alcoholism. You can't tell another adult what to do, you can't have a go at them when they don't do it. I mean you can ask, but again that's not going to help.

I think you have to accept that you can't change this situation, you can only choose to remove yourself if its upsetting you. The only person who can make this change is your dad and it sounds like he doesnt want to and isnt ready and may never be. I like a drink and I've never thrown someone downstairs when I've been drunk so I'm not sure that even if he did stop drinking that he would be the dad you want - he sounds violent and abusive so I think you should distance yourself

Nothingsfine · 04/01/2022 21:33

You might get some better support on the alcohol board OP. And no YANBU. You need to get away from this situation.

Crazycrazylady · 04/01/2022 21:57

Honestly op
It sounds horrible but you are an adult living in his home. You can of course suggest he cuts back but it's not on you to dictate what he does or does not do
In his own home.
He is an addict and you gently asking to stop will simply not work. I understand your mother's and sisters point of view as it does sound over Xmas your whole focus was on what time he drank and how much he drank and maybe they're just a bit exhausted by the fight and just wanted to enjoy the time outside of his drinking but you seem unable to let it go.

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