Page 5 | 2k a year pay rise = £66 extra a month!

missbunnyrabbit · 2021-12-31T15:11:42+00:00

I'm a teacher and was so excited to go the next point on the scale. Checked my pay today, the first pay with my new salary approved on it, to see I get a grand total of £66 extra a month! 2k sounds like such a lot! But it really isn't after everything is taken off. Am I being ungrateful?[confused]

GiveMeMyKeys · 31/12/2021 18:31

@CallmeHendricks

Amused at all the people suggesting a teacher could be in the higher tax bracket!

Why?

I'm not a teacher but a quick look at the NASUWT website shows many many pay rates above the basic rate band. You don't really think that every teacher in every school of whatever size and responsibility earns less than £50k do you?

GCAndProud · 31/12/2021 18:32

Here is my estimate but please correct if I’ve done something wrong.

GCAndProud · 31/12/2021 18:33

And here is the result which does look pretty high to be fair.
I’d be happy with less btw.

CallmeHendricks · 31/12/2021 18:34

I refer you back to my post of 17.55
At no point did I say anything about "every teacher in every school of whatever size and responsibility."
I pointed out that it will be quite a small proportion of teachers on that salary.

twolittleboysonetiredmum · 31/12/2021 18:35

I don’t think it’s misleading - you can’t be ‘just’ a very qualified teacher and earn more even as you become more experienced. Taking on a tlr or leadership is totally different and a direction lots of teachers don’t want to take.

UniversalAunt · 31/12/2021 18:35

I am a bit concerned by how many people posting on this thread do not have a firm grasp of the T&Cs of their occupational pensions.

I assume, based on my own financial planning, that some/most/many teachers are in a final salary pension scheme which is calculated using factors of total years of service proportionate to say a 40 year maximum (e.g. 20 years service as half of the 40 year max.), & pay rate - not grade-averaged over three years?) at end of service. The T&Cs would spell out the minimum age a pension can be taken ( & the pot will take an accurarial hit), terms for medical retirement etc? Surely?

Do teacher pensions schemes offer Additonal Voluntary Contributions(AVCs) ? How about buying missed years or overpayments?

These days, a guaranteed final salary pension scheme - with employee contributions - is as rare as hen’s bollocks. Enjoy!

mnahmnah · 31/12/2021 18:36

@BarkminsterBlue

But without taking on further TLR, senior leadership etc surely you should be able progress with pay if you are achieving and exceeding performance management targets? Year on year? I’ve been on exactly the same pay for ten years. I get some of, if not the best results in school every year. The Head describes me as one of his best HODs. But I will never be laid another penny. I love being a HOD. I would hate to be SLT. But as a bloody good HOD shouldn’t I be able to progress in pay?!

100problems · 31/12/2021 18:36

You beat me to it @BarkminsterBlue, it's not accurate to say you too out at UPS3 when there are TLR available. There is also a very good leadership scale.

It may not suit you to take extra responsibility, and that's your choice, but the options are there.

In this teaching is no different to other sectors; want more, take more on.

CallmeHendricks · 31/12/2021 18:37

"Do teacher pensions schemes offer Additonal Voluntary Contributions(AVCs) ? How about buying missed years or overpayments?"
They certainly used to. I recently found paperwork pertaining to an AVC I took out 30 years ago and then lapsed. It's got a few thousand in it, and I may resurrect it to top up my pension in the last couple of years of work.

mnahmnah · 31/12/2021 18:38

@100problems

I do take in more and more every year. The workload and demands increase. The pay doesn’t.

jts19 · 31/12/2021 18:39

@JinglingHellsBells

One issue that people forget is that in very few private companies do employees get an automatic pay rise simply for being in the job for longer. This tends to be a government/public sector 'perk'.

Most private companies review salaries on merit and performance and may give a cost of living annual increase but it's never guaranteed.

Ever heard of a private sector bonus?!

jts19 · 31/12/2021 18:39

@UniversalAunt

I am a bit concerned by how many people posting on this thread do not have a firm grasp of the T&Cs of their occupational pensions.

I assume, based on my own financial planning, that some/most/many teachers are in a final salary pension scheme which is calculated using factors of total years of service proportionate to say a 40 year maximum (e.g. 20 years service as half of the 40 year max.), & pay rate - not grade-averaged over three years?) at end of service. The T&Cs would spell out the minimum age a pension can be taken ( & the pot will take an accurarial hit), terms for medical retirement etc? Surely?

Do teacher pensions schemes offer Additonal Voluntary Contributions(AVCs) ? How about buying missed years or overpayments?

These days, a guaranteed final salary pension scheme - with employee contributions - is as rare as hen’s bollocks. Enjoy!

It’s not final salary; it’s career average.

spanieleyes · 31/12/2021 18:39

That's what you would get in 20 odd years time, with inflation and index linking added on. It's not the current rate.

100problems · 31/12/2021 18:43

@mnahmnah do you not get a TLR as Head of Dept? All our middle leaders get one the value of which increases depending on the size of their dept eg Science gets more than RE. We also have teachers that receive TLR3 for additional projects. We also have lead practitioners that are salaried on the leadership scale.

I concur teaching salaries are not comparable with private sector and teachers should receive better pay, but there is money for additional responsibility.

Cocomarine · 31/12/2021 18:44

[quote mnahmnah]@BarkminsterBlue

But without taking on further TLR, senior leadership etc surely you should be able progress with pay if you are achieving and exceeding performance management targets? Year on year? I’ve been on exactly the same pay for ten years. I get some of, if not the best results in school every year. The Head describes me as one of his best HODs. But I will never be laid another penny. I love being a HOD. I would hate to be SLT. But as a bloody good HOD shouldn’t I be able to progress in pay?![/quote]
No, I don’t think so. That’s why both public and private sector tend to have salary bands - so you can reward someone who is progressing at the same job level. But say you’re 10/10 amazing (I should probably say “outstanding” 😉) in your 10th year in the job - why should you get paid more than someone 10/10 outstanding in their 5th year? Would you in your 5th year feel a bit annoyed at a colleague not better than you getting more money for the same job?

JinglingHellsBells · 31/12/2021 18:44

Ever heard of a private sector bonus?!

@jts19 Oooh no! What's one of those? Do tell.

And you know they aren't guaranteed and are performance or company profit linked?

BarkminsterBlue · 31/12/2021 18:45

[quote mnahmnah]@BarkminsterBlue

But without taking on further TLR, senior leadership etc surely you should be able progress with pay if you are achieving and exceeding performance management targets? Year on year? I’ve been on exactly the same pay for ten years. I get some of, if not the best results in school every year. The Head describes me as one of his best HODs. But I will never be laid another penny. I love being a HOD. I would hate to be SLT. But as a bloody good HOD shouldn’t I be able to progress in pay?![/quote]
If you were an NHS doctor and decided that once you reached the level of consultant you did not want to progress further and did not want to take on teaching, or management, or clinical excellence awards, then your salary would progress no further.

If you were a police constable at the top of your band and decided you did not want to go for a sergeant role, your pay would progress no further.