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What is the labour/recruitment market like in your industry?

105 replies

Lolingokay · 23/12/2021 21:35

Obviously COVID caused a severe recession and there was high unemployment. I saw far less vacancies being advertised and many people taking jobs they were overqualified for, and ones where they would have deserved higher pay given their skills level.

Yet I've heard people say it's an employee's market now, there are so many vacancies and not enough people to fill these jobs. Apparently companies are really struggling to recruit people and are willing to hire people that only meet about half or two-thirds of the job description criteria.

I understand this may be the case for jobs like lorry driving, construction etc (which were mainly filled by Europeans who have now left). But is this really the case in professional industries, and if so, which ones? I'm interested in hearing about any industry but particularly thinking about consulting, policy, research etc. And what would the reasons be?

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Lolingokay · 24/12/2021 16:26

@JamieFrasersBigSwingingKilt

I work in management consulting. We're struggling to recruit senior, experienced consultants. All the firms are finding the same. There aren't enough consultants to go round!
Thanks for this insight! Why is this the case? And does that mean you’re open to potentially less experienced people filling those positions - for example, if a consulting job wants 2-3 yrs of experience, you’d still consider someone with only 1 yr?
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Lolingokay · 24/12/2021 16:29

@catgirl1976

I’m in HR and the whole market and the HR market (especially interim) are incredibly buoyant

Recruiting is a nightmare across the board as there are so many jobs and candidates have a lot of choice

On a personal level I’ve had two interviews this week so fingers crossed I will benefit and get a new (ideally home based) role

Hope you get the job you want!! I guess a lot of people are changing jobs because COVID has opened their eyes to more flexible ways of working (like you mentioned wanting a home based job) and maybe what many companies are offering isn’t attractive enough so they’re struggling to recruit?
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toomanynutsmaybe · 24/12/2021 16:34

@PermanentTemporary

Interesting about promotion. I'm a band 6 and there's going to be a permanent band 7 vacancy coming up and a permanent band 8 as well which are rarer than hen's teeth. But both those jobs are following Covid casualty resignations, both jobs were held by friends of mine and I see the jobs far too close up. I know I would find either of them almost impossible. I'm 52, I've been doing this ten years I've hit a level I'm OK at and can cope with most of the time though it does stretch me and there's more to learn.
This is really interesting. Sounds like civil service? If someone as qualified as you doesn’t want to go for these jobs then it seems like the organisation is too high pressure/stress and not really meeting workers’ needs? So do you think it’s up to these organisations (your one and others in your industry) to make these jobs more appealing? It seems like the problem is on their side.
MrsTophamHat · 24/12/2021 16:41

I think it varies depending on area. I'm hoping to get a new teaching post this year in either KS2 or secondary in a more convenient location, and i'm not hugely confident as yet.

MintJulia · 24/12/2021 16:56

I work in hi-tech and we're stretched to find developers and analysts to meet our plan for the new year.

Even finding graduates with the right skills isn't easy.

itsgettingwierd · 24/12/2021 16:58

Education!

We can't get TAs or teachers.

Our la actually asked for volunteers to be part of a media campaign to encourage people to apply.

I'm not sure anyone even volunteered to do it 😂

Newcomer68 · 24/12/2021 17:15

Generation X here, well qualified, decent experience, staff management, budget management, resource management;. Became completely disillusioned and stripped of all ambition when I went into a senior-ish role in my profession (library and information related) a few years ago.

The demands were impossible. The members of the senior management team were mad. All of them. I don't know if anyone had ever explained about that "a day only has 24 hours approx" law of physics thing. The stupid pointless projects to make the aforesaid management look good in the eyes of even more senior management were never-ending. Together with a few life events, it ended up making me very ill to the extent I couldn't work for a few years.

It's not that I'm not ambitious any more, exactly, I still have plenty of personal ambition for things I want to achieve or experience outside work where I won't have insane senior managers breathing down my neck and having to convince me that illogical policies are going to save the world. My current manager is great although they have a fair amount of ridiculousness to put up with from their managers.

I'm very happy to have gone several levels back down the totem pole when I was able to go back to work and that's where I'm staying until I'm able to retire.

IF I'm ever able to retire. I"m certainly not banking on it, my generation and those after me are far more likely to drop dead in harness... If the pandemics and the climate change don't get us first, obviously.

At my current grade, I can sustain the level of activity and stress I have now for a very long time, assuming I don't get ill again. Why would I think about putting myself into toxic, nonsensical management ever again? I'm also lucky enough to be able to do pretty much 100% of what I do from home but that depends on the employer. So why would I change jobs at this stage, unless I absolutely had to?

Also, COVID has finally made some of my older colleagues take at least part-retirement, often a good 10 years past what would once have been their official retirement date. One of the side-effects of their having stayed in their jobs so long (sometimes genuinely due to finances, sometimes due to boredom) is that the usual churn in the middle simply hasn't happened. For a long time, between about 2008 to 2019, there were very few junior roles in many professions.

We've also found it tricky to recruit (not just my organisation, many others, anecdotally), which is something I've never seen before in my line of work. Not to this extent. And it's not only certain parts of the country, either.

Although some employers are making it much harder for themselves than they need to by refusing to offer even partial flexible/home-based working. Unless your job is customer or patient-facing, or you're in a training session or meeting, what does it matter if the actual work gets done at 11pm or 4am rather than between 8am and 5.30pm?

I see vacancies in my inbox and on various mailing lists every day now, although often some of the person specs are a bit, well, ambitious. My favourite this week is a trainee post (so, by definition, someone who needs training) who already has great social media experience, can write programs in R, Python, and knows various other ICT applications including image manipulation; can handle customer service enquiries, support training sessions and elearning; has a knowledge of NLP (!); and who already knows every specialist subject resource ever.

I don't think that particular employer was asking for the ability to walk on water but I could be wrong, the spec went on for several pages. Just a guess here, but I'm not sure they're going to be able to recruit quickly to that one, even if it is in a part of the country that has historically high unemployment.

The other thing people my age have learned over the years, if they're in pretty much any profession, is which organisations (and managers) to avoid...

LBOCS2 · 24/12/2021 17:28

We're heading towards a recruitment crisis in my industry; good experienced staff are now commanding 20-30% higher salaries than they were before. There has always been attrition (it's a high stress industry) but we're at a point where there is increased regulation which means a) workloads are higher, b) more knowledge is required and c) expectations are greater. If you're any good in the industry, you could move and put £20k on your salary without too much trouble.

LeuvenMan · 24/12/2021 17:39

Medical devices industry definitely an employee's market. Real shortage of good candidates and those that are available are getting very expensive.
However due to a variety of reasons (Brexit, covid, NHS challenges and transformation etc.) it's a very tough role sometimes

whowhatwhen · 24/12/2021 17:50

Technology is hot hot hot! We are bleeding people, they are all going for 30% pay rises and we can no recruit fast enough. Demand far outweighing supply, it's a job hunters market for sure!

tarasmalatarocks · 24/12/2021 18:47

My 23 year old son I think was wise skipping the degree at18 and opting for an apprenticeship in IT networks and coms , he’s always been in decent work , now at 2nd line support plus lots of client facing stuff(he’s extremely good with people) and earning low 30’s in London. I think an awful lot of people have left jobs that require you to be there every day (think teaching assistant) in favour of often quite boring but remote admin jobs that fit in better with younger families

MmeSosostris · 24/12/2021 19:29

@Newcomer68

That’s me! Image manipulation
NLP
Python

I can do that job! Where was it advertised?

Eggmcmuffin · 24/12/2021 20:09

In engineering it's crazy, can't get good candidates at all, new grads are leaving for stupid money contracting jobs.

JoanWilderbeast · 24/12/2021 20:19

Perhaps employers will have to revert back to being willing to mentor and train people up from within. That used to work quite well in the past.

Hearwego · 24/12/2021 20:23

Maybe there are people who as a result of the pandemic , retired early or changed to completely different jobs? I know a few people who quit there jobs a couple of years earlier than planned and moved to other parts of the country.

RunningInTheWind · 24/12/2021 20:28

A question for the recruiters if I may. I’m a former PMP (PMI), but left corporate 8 years ago. Any point me putting out feelers? Nearly 50, grumpy old woman.

LadyWithLapdog · 24/12/2021 20:32

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/24/uk-immigration-rules-to-be-ease-as-shortages-of-care-workers-worsen

The situation is dire in social care, with possible changes in immigration rules as 40,000 vacancies. Brexit a big part, though obviously not everyone wants to hear that.

Mouseonmychair · 24/12/2021 20:36

I'm a python developer testing the market and it seems red hot.

HunterHearstHelmsley · 24/12/2021 20:54

I'm in health and social care. We are really struggling for applicants. I had an externally advertised administration vacancy recently, there was one applicant. A few years ago we had nearly one hundred applicants for the same role. Luckily, the one applicant was perfect!

Overall, we are really struggling to fill vacancies. Extending closing dates left, right and centre. Its so different to how it was a few years back.

zealouslemur · 24/12/2021 21:18

Software Development.
The northern company I work for has lost a few developers to London companies now happy for people to WFH full time but still paying much higher salaries. Recruiters on LinkedIn are saying salaries are around 30% higher than a year ago.

Tech has been fast growing for a good few years but i think there must be a bit of pent up demand from covid - a lot of companies paused projects and recruitment at the start of covid and are now trying to catch up. I was job hunting last year (with decent but not stellar experience) and was offered 2/4 jobs I applied for.

I think more companies are going to be hiring less experienced developers and people without technical degrees. Probably a good time to do a software development bootcamp if it interests you!

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 24/12/2021 21:25

Companies are going to have to do better than the odd staff ball, vouchers and Xmas jumper day.
We've had wage suppression for well over a decade, the pandemic has released this bind.
People want
Flexibility.
Higher renumeration.
WFH.
Reasonable hours.

They've also realized they may now actually be able to participate in life outside of the workplace culture, less commuting as made this a reality.

Mrs HR has had a 20% increase in salary in order to stop her leaving. Although she's still considering leaving for a better work-life-balance.

pastypirate · 24/12/2021 21:38

Public sector. Staff retention and recruitment is dire. Worst I've ever seen it. Burnout is common

M1526 · 24/12/2021 22:09

Am in a sector and role already mentioned. Upper middle management. Losing people left, right and centre, replacement agency staff hopeless. It's causing burnout and disillusionment in the folk staying. Me included. My salary hasn't really risen in 10 years and I'm wondering why I'm being so loyal. I could jump ship to an equivalent employer and get at 30% pay rise with zero extra work.

And my employer wondering why there's a dearth of female technical engineers beyond middle management!

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 24/12/2021 22:15

I understand this may be the case for jobs like lorry driving, construction etc (which were mainly filled by Europeans who have now left)

This keeps on getting trotted out unchallenged - only about 13% of drivers came from other EU countries -

inews.co.uk/news/uk/hgv-crisis-53000-drivers-left-profession-in-past-4-years-over-poor-conditions-brexit-and-covid-data-shows-1256930

Form the article -

In June 2017, roughly 280,000 – or 87 per cent – of lorry drivers were UK nationals, compared with 40,000 EU nationals, who made up only 13 per cent of the workforce.

As of June this year, those figures remained relatively unchanged, with UK nationals making up 88 per cent of lorry drivers, with the number of EU nationals within the sector only falling by 2 per cent.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 24/12/2021 22:27

I work in tech too. I am quitting my job of about 1.5 years for reasons outlined in various other posts. Senior management just come up with new projects and set deadlines with zero thought or consideration given to the work involved. Our senior "management" seems to involve speaking in meaningless bollockspeak. In the meantime, I can't motivate my staff because the company has stupid workloads and refuses to invest in staff training - aside from the asinine compulsory shite about bribery and corruption.

I am going to a different outfit which promises better work life balance - lower salary but I don't have anyone reporting to me.
I will try it out - if it's as bad or worse I will easy get work somewhere else.

I think a lot of employers are very slow to catch this trend and they will regret not acting sooner.

On the other hand, some will just continue to be the shit employers they always were and even though they find it hard to recruit they will not see why.

By the way - as others have said we "short of skills" because this country is short termist and backwards in terms of training. We have a long run of exporting jobs (very large numbers of IT and admin Jobs are now done in India and beyond) and of getting "cheap" immigrants (on ICTs and from EU) to come here and do things. Some of that will continue, some won't.