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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

or is this really appalling care from 111/Somerset out of hours?

94 replies

WoolyMammoth55 · 21/12/2021 16:28

DS is 11 months old and, like half the country, has a bit of a cough. I find it physically impossible to swab him but the rest of the family have been consistently testing negative for Covid.

Last night at 3am he woke up crying wildly, with very loud wheezy breath sounds. I woke up DH, we decided against waking up the 4 year old and driving 40 mins to A&E, thought we'd try 111 instead.

It wasn't a long wait to speak to the operator, they said a medic would call back within an hour. The phone rang in an hour but it was an admin non-medic from the out of hours service, saying that he apologised for the slow call-back. I asked if I should go to A&E and he said he couldn't advise, isn't a medic, to hold on for the medical call.

I hovered over the baby for the next 4 hours, watching him sleep, listening to him wheeze. At 8am the same admin dude called back to say the minor injury walk-in service is open so we've been discharged from out of hours care and can walk-in to minor injury unit at our convenience.

I was meant to be called back within an hour. Instead 5 hours passed and I never did speak to a medic.

Baby has seen the GP today and diagnosed with croup. But still - isn't that appalling for out of hour care? We live far from an A&E here and 111, when it worked, provided a really useful service.

I realise it's the fault of government underfunding and appalling attacks on the NHS, but this is really not functioning at the moment. I'd like to complain but no idea to whom.

OP posts:
Zandathepanda · 21/12/2021 18:37

Croup is nasty. However it’s probably done you a favour not catching anything from hospital A&E. You would have been waiting there ages.

NerrSnerr · 21/12/2021 18:58

We use 111 periodically to get out of hours GP appointments when necessary. We're lucky that we've never waited for hours, just answer the questions and they book us in.

LittleBearPad · 21/12/2021 19:00

Oh it’s another one of these threads.

Only one of you needed to take baby to A&E.

Itsalmostanaccessory · 21/12/2021 19:04

So there were 2 adult in the house, but you needed to wake your other child to go to hospital?

Why?

I'm a single parent. When my kid was 5, and needed emergency medical attention, I had to wait my 3 year old and go because there was no one else. I'm alone.

But you have 2 of you. One stays home and own goes. And dont come back with any nonsense of needing moral support or any other bullshit. You're a parent. You need to toughen up and just bloody deal with it.

A baby struggling to breathe is a trip to hospital. Not sitting watching them because you're too scared to go alone.

Raisedbrow · 21/12/2021 19:15

I waited for a call from 1730 until 0250 for a call back from 111 this week. I'm not angry, quite the opposite.

They are completely swamped with patients trying to avoid A&E. Can't blame NHS111 for not being able to cope with the increase in service users, or the public in wanting to stay away from A&E. Our local hospital is so busy it feels like a covid cattlemarket. The people responsible for this situation are not the ones trying to handle it. They are as frustrated as you are.

If they don't call back in the hour, you can call them and ask, especially with a child, where you stand. If matters escalate, they also want to know.

StationaryMagpie · 21/12/2021 19:26

111 is awful, and i agree they let you down.

If baby is croupy again, there is usually 1 of 2 things that helps. warm damp air, or conversely, cold air (weird i know)

For damp air shut yourself in the bathroom and steam it up with running the hot water.

For cold air, wrap baby up warm and take them outside into the night air.

I found the cold air worked better with DS who suffered with it on and off until he was 8!

If those don't work, you ought to attend A&E, but speak to your GP, they may provide a nebuliser or something similar for you to use at home.

Teaandcakeordeath83 · 21/12/2021 19:55

Just going to put my tip for PCR testing a baby/reluctant toddler. Strap the buggers into their car seat and do it from behind. You place your non dominant arm over their arms and then with the hand you use to swab, gently push their head towards the side of the car seat so they can't thrash around. 10 seconds up each nostril and bosh. You're done. They're a screaming mess but they settle quickly and you at least get the sodding test done with the minimum of stress and risk.

I can't say that I'd be complaining about it. If I was that worried about my baby's breathing I would be whipping them off to a&e rather than waiting for a doctor or nurse to ask me questions over the phone.

IDontDrinkTea · 21/12/2021 20:16

Sorry, I think YABU. You don’t sit and watch a deteriorating child while waiting for a phonecall.

There’s no reason you can’t covid swab a baby either. Do it while they’re in their car seat, use your free hand to hold their head still. Or order a postal one and do it while they’re asleep.

I also still can’t work out why two adults need to wake up another child to go to a&e. One of you goes, the other stays home with the four year old.

shakinsti · 21/12/2021 20:17

We had similar recently. DD had terrible ear ache in both ears one weekend so I called 111. I had three calls back to apologise for the wait then the medic eventually called about 13-14 hours after my original phone call, and booked her an appointment to be seen.

They were obviously really busy, and everyone I spoke to was very kind and tried their best to help. DD was in a lot of pain, but I was grateful that was 'all' that was wrong with her. I can see why people just turn up at A&E when they're worried sick about their child and waiting hours on end for a call back.

GreenNewDealNow · 21/12/2021 20:20

David Cameron started the decline in 2010.

DukkaTheHallsWithBoughsOfHolly · 21/12/2021 20:25

I have to be honest, not having the entire extended family being able to turn up in a&e has been nice.

Sirzy · 21/12/2021 20:25

111 isn’t for emergencies.
If your really worried then go to A and E otherwise wait it out for 111/GP

Offmyfence · 21/12/2021 20:39

@DukkaTheHallsWithBoughsOfHolly

I have to be honest, not having the entire extended family being able to turn up in a&e has been nice.
I bloody bet it has. Even after covid I think the rule should be one parent!
SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 21/12/2021 21:09

I get it!
It's hard and scary when young kids and babies are ill, especially when it's a breathing issue as sounds very distressing.
In an ideal world both DH and I would want to be with our DS if we had to go to A&E, but appreciate that if you have an older child it isn't always possible without a family member nearby to watch them or during these times where only one parent is allowed.

I had to drive my DS when he was ill as a baby and he ended up projectile vomiting in the car which nearly caused me to crash as it shot out of him like a hose pipe and I was panicking as I couldn't see him to check if he was okay.
I refused to drive anywhere without DH in the car after that. I did have undiagnosed PND at the time though.

WoolyMammoth55 · 21/12/2021 21:15

Ha ha, thanks all for the BVU votes!

I can't drive and am BFing, which was the only thing that seemed to give the poor kid any comfort, so that's why it would have been the 4 of us heading to A&E, with DH and 4yo in the freezing car park. Sorry for not elaborating that.

I actually think my post was/is valid. My kid (as I knew in my gut) wasn't at risk of significant harm, so waking-the-4yo aside, I was right not to go in to an emergency service when it wasn't a legitimate emergency.

What I needed was some timely out-of-hours medical advice, for someone to listen to the wheeze on the phone and say "Yes that's croup - steam will help".

That's EXACTLY what the 111 service is meant to be. Let's get it funded right so it can do its job, no?

Car-seat-swab hinters, thank you; I tried it a few times and was told by a member of staff who watched me in the test centre that they weren't sure it was in his nose for long enough to be a valid sample, therefore results would be meaningless... At which point I gave up trying...

Thanks to all who took the time to be kind! Grateful :)

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MadeOfStarStuff · 21/12/2021 21:19

YABU

If you were that worried about your child’s breathing then one parent takes them to A&E and the other stays home with the other child, it’s not rocket science.

I’m glad it wasn’t anything more serious but I know how scary croup can sound (and I heard it on an older child, bet a baby is even worse)

DukkaTheHallsWithBoughsOfHolly · 21/12/2021 21:28

Order the home tests, it’s easier and less stressful than having the test centre people staring at you. They arrive the next day.

gogohm · 21/12/2021 21:33

Why didn't one of you drive the baby and the other stay home with the older child???

Floundery · 21/12/2021 21:34

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Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 21/12/2021 21:39

Learn to drive

curlymom · 21/12/2021 21:52

111 is the worst service total waste of tax payers money. Needs improvement. Always disappointing

SueSaid · 21/12/2021 21:58

'I can't drive and am BFing,'

Taxi?

You don't watch a sick, wheezy dc all night.

gamerchick · 21/12/2021 22:04

Putting all that aside, do you know how to deal with croup at home now? After the first time I happened I didn't need hospitals after that with any of them.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 21/12/2021 23:36

Taxi or send dh with some cows milk and a sippy cup as an emergency.

Fanmango · 21/12/2021 23:39

@WoolyMammoth55

Ha ha, thanks all for the BVU votes!

I can't drive and am BFing, which was the only thing that seemed to give the poor kid any comfort, so that's why it would have been the 4 of us heading to A&E, with DH and 4yo in the freezing car park. Sorry for not elaborating that.

I actually think my post was/is valid. My kid (as I knew in my gut) wasn't at risk of significant harm, so waking-the-4yo aside, I was right not to go in to an emergency service when it wasn't a legitimate emergency.

What I needed was some timely out-of-hours medical advice, for someone to listen to the wheeze on the phone and say "Yes that's croup - steam will help".

That's EXACTLY what the 111 service is meant to be. Let's get it funded right so it can do its job, no?

Car-seat-swab hinters, thank you; I tried it a few times and was told by a member of staff who watched me in the test centre that they weren't sure it was in his nose for long enough to be a valid sample, therefore results would be meaningless... At which point I gave up trying...

Thanks to all who took the time to be kind! Grateful :)

Well no, it's purpose isn't to diagnose, its largely to signpost to the right place, or book out of hours appointments. No clinician would listen to a wheeze through the phone and give advice on what to do.