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To post this for road users unaware of upcoming highway code changes

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FluffyBooBoo · 17/12/2021 15:49

That's loads of info available online, but the AA have done a study that shows that two thirds of people are unaware of the charges.

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To post this for road users unaware of upcoming highway code changes
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DdraigGoch · 18/12/2021 21:05

@Tal45

If they want cyclists to be more visible better to make them wear something high vis then have them cycle in the middle of the road and move in and out when fast things come up behind them.
I wear a bright orange jacket (trousers too in foul weather), I couldn't be more visible. So how people still fail to see me, got knows.

Moving to the middle puts you in direct line of sight. It also discourages dangerous overtaking.

Dottybackorcid · 18/12/2021 21:11

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Fomofo · 18/12/2021 21:18

Dottyback, no-one's forcing you to drive long distances, and even if they were, it doesn't give you priority, trains are good for long distances

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Dottybackorcid · 18/12/2021 21:20

@Fomofo

Dottyback, no-one's forcing you to drive long distances, and even if they were, it doesn't give you priority, trains are good for long distances
Well some of us have to earn a living are you a stay at home mum 🤣
Fomofo · 18/12/2021 21:22

Dottyback, no I work and have done for years, have never driven to work mind

Fomofo · 18/12/2021 21:22

Oh and I have kids

RedWingBoots · 19/12/2021 00:54

[quote Dottybackorcid]@RedWingBootsYes sure you do, typical self sentered cyclist, on your bike. 🥱🍪[/quote]
You live in a very small world.

Loads of people where I live walk, run, cycle and drive.

Who do you think does all that amateur sport? And how do you think we get to matches/games/competitions?

EightWheelGirl · 19/12/2021 01:51

I'm fed up of following 44t lorries for miles because they are slow and never pull over.

You should be banned from the roads I pay my road tax blah blah fucking blah.

And if they're banned from the roads presumably all that stuff you buy in the shops will magically appear on the shelves by itself, right?

DdraigGoch · 19/12/2021 09:25

@Dottybackorcid

Unlike most cyclists alot of motor vehicle drivers are doing seriously long distance and hours in a day, so forgive us if we get a little pissed off, when we meet one having a jolly jaunt in the middle of the road and refuses to pull over whatsoever when we have another 200 miles to go and it's been a long day. 🤬 No doubt they will be pissed when their new lycra is late being delivered or their avocados are not in the shops in the mornin.
If I don't cycle, I don't get to work. If I don't get to work, trains get cancelled. If trains get cancelled, other people don't get to work.
drainitallout · 19/12/2021 09:49

@EightWheelGirl

I'm fed up of following 44t lorries for miles because they are slow and never pull over.

You should be banned from the roads I pay my road tax blah blah fucking blah.

And if they're banned from the roads presumably all that stuff you buy in the shops will magically appear on the shelves by itself, right?

You do realise they were being sarcastic, don't you?
Fomofo · 19/12/2021 10:03

Dottyback, lots of people who cycle are cycling to important worthwhile jobs, sadly a paediatrician was recently killed on her way to work by an hgv at a junction in london, no doubt she was just having 'a jolly jaunt in the middle of the road'

BewareTheRedNosedDragon · 19/12/2021 10:18

It strikes me that what is needed all around is consideration between road users with different needs and priorities. The problems really come from roads which aren't actually designed for the variety or volume of road users so if we all worked together to demand that the government make improvements to make the space work better for everyone we could move forwards instead of arguing amongst ourselves.

In the meantime all road users need to be aware of the needs of others and act in a considerate way. It goes both/all ways.

Fomofo · 19/12/2021 10:33

Except all road users are not equal, some are more vulnerable than others, that needs to be taken in to account

SusieBob · 19/12/2021 10:35

@EightWheelGirl

I'm fed up of following 44t lorries for miles because they are slow and never pull over.

You should be banned from the roads I pay my road tax blah blah fucking blah.

And if they're banned from the roads presumably all that stuff you buy in the shops will magically appear on the shelves by itself, right?

The point being that going around saying "cyclists should be banned" or "44t trucks should be banned" is a fucking stupid thing to say.

Was I too subtle for you?

limitedperiodonly · 19/12/2021 11:05

Still relevant judging by some of the dronings of professional drivers on this thread who don't understand that everyone who has a licence and even those who don't such as cyclists, riders and pedestrians are entitled to be on roads unless specifically prohibited and should therefore should not come as much of a surprise.

It's annoying when you are doing vital work for the nation to have to share the roads with other people but I'm afraid you will just have to suck it up.

Little bit of trivia: has a HGV licence so did all the driving for that sketch.

BewareTheRedNosedDragon · 19/12/2021 11:40

@Fomofo

Except all road users are not equal, some are more vulnerable than others, that needs to be taken in to account
Yes, but if all cyclists pulled over when they could, and all drivers waited until it was safe and there was enough room to safely overtake cyclists, then everyone would be safer and the levels of animosity generally between the groups would be lower which would lead to even more consideration.
9toenails · 19/12/2021 11:46

@SirChenjins

Who in their right mind would step out in front of a car turning into a junction?! It doesn't really matter if you had a legal right of way if you end up in hospital with a life-changing injury as a result of being hit by a car. Surely you cross in a safe place when there are no cars coming - as was drilled into us all as children, and crossing at a busy junction doesn't seem very safe to me.
You are right, of course.

But the changes in the highway code might be the beginnings of a move to make ‘places where there [ are ] cars coming’ safe as well. Why not?

In the part of the world where some of my family live – outside UK – this change has already been made, and it has become part of the skill of driving a car that whenever you approach a junction you slow down sufficiently as to be able to stop if a child (or adult) seems about to step off the pavement.

Not on motorways, obviously, but anywhere where there may be pedestrians.

Result? Yes, slower traffic in towns and villages etc. But also, masses of children walking and cycling to and from school, and generally a much nicer feel moving around on foot and bike -- and, paradoxically, perhaps, in a car too. Healthier, in short, physically, psychologically and culturally/societally.

As a motorist as well as a pedestrian and cyclist, I much prefer the safer way with junctions, cyclists, etc. It took a bit of getting used to when I visited at first, much as the priorité à droite rule did back long ago when I used to drive somewhere that applied. (Older readers may remember.) But now it feels so much better to get into the habit of slowing down when appropriate and allowing children, elderly people and others, the time they need to get around outdoors safely and without worrying about me running them over or whatever.

So, in short, I am, following my experience, all in favour of the new Highway Code rules. Please, all you other motorists, in particular, do try to take them on board and alter your (non-motorway) driving style with these new rules in mind.

Fomofo · 19/12/2021 12:23

Bewaretherednose, I take it you are not talking about city cycling

EightWheelGirl · 19/12/2021 13:38

The point being that going around saying "cyclists should be banned" or "44t trucks should be banned" is a fucking stupid thing to say.

Was I too subtle for you?

No, it was just a crap analogy.

Trucks serve a vital purpose unlike bikes. If bikes are allowed, why not electric scooters, quad bikes, etc?

EightWheelGirl · 19/12/2021 13:46

Still relevant judging by some of the dronings of professional drivers on this thread who don't understand that everyone who has a licence and even those who don't such as cyclists, riders and pedestrians are entitled to be on roads unless specifically prohibited and should therefore should not come as much of a surprise.

It's annoying when you are doing vital work for the nation to have to share the roads with other people but I'm afraid you will just have to suck it up.

I don't mind them on the roads. It's the fact that so many refuse to pull over and make you sit behind them for ages.

Tractors can be the same but seem much more likely to pull in. I personally think it's middle aged professional males with their Very Important Man attitude that are the main culprits. The whole "I'm entitled to be on the road so you can just wait behind me."

As I said before, what is allowed isn't always the same as what is reasonable. Changing a full Tesco bag of coppers at the bank on your lunchbreak with a massive queue behind you is allowed, but it's still a cunty thing to do.

SusieBob · 19/12/2021 14:01

@EightWheelGirl

The point being that going around saying "cyclists should be banned" or "44t trucks should be banned" is a fucking stupid thing to say.

Was I too subtle for you?

No, it was just a crap analogy.

Trucks serve a vital purpose unlike bikes. If bikes are allowed, why not electric scooters, quad bikes, etc?

So yup, I was too subtle for you. Lots of people commute to work by bike. Do you think those people should not be allowed on the road?

Point was: don't be a dick. Earlier you complained that you were held up for 12 WHOLE MINUTES. Fuck sake, that's nothing. If you don't have enough patience to respect the right of other road users, then maybe you are the problem.

EightWheelGirl · 19/12/2021 14:19

Earlier you complained that you were held up for 12 WHOLE MINUTES

Um, no I didn't. But 12 mins is a lot to be held up by one vehicle, considering you could easily lose another hour to traffic, several half hour periods at delivery sites due to them not being ready or unloading other trucks first. Suddenly you're two hours behind.

Average 9-5 worker usually doesn't have a clue what it's like to get delayed for two hours when your day was already going to be a 12 hour shift.

EightWheelGirl · 19/12/2021 14:20

A particularly bad day could be equivalent to an office worker starting at 9am and leaving work at 11pm.

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