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To be very uncomfortable that this survey is taking place in Scottish schools?

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blueberryporridge · 10/12/2021 00:18

www.holyrood.com/news/view,childrens-commissioner-calls-for-government-to-pause-rollout-of-controversial-teen-sex-survey?fbclid=IwAR2iE6AWMEdP65alyKNm_Xp5adSlJWRiWxUyEWNnWVUiKIuGse8u3p7Dq8E

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IknowwhatIneed · 10/12/2021 18:20

Surely it's better to gather data from young people to see if they can spot trends - for example, an increase in sexual activity, or in a particular type of drug use - that can inform PSHE/similar lessons and awareness in schools, as well as directing local government resources or policing to areas where associated criminal activity might also be increasing?

So what are they going to do, teach children how to enjoy anal sex safely? The PSHE curriculum is pretty comprehensive already and they can teach issues around consent and safe sex without needing to know that X child is engaging in that activity. And what happens if a child discloses sexual abuse in an “anonymous” survey?

There’s already a huge amount of intelligence about areas of criminal activity - every community cop, residential worker and CP social worker can tell you where to buy drugs, where kids are being groomed, where exploitation is taking place already, I certainly can for my area. And if the survey is anonymous, they won’t get information about locations of concern because the information shouldn’t be able to be disaggregated back to a particular location. It’s a data grab and part of the overall “woke” agenda that would see schools socially transitioning kids without their parents knowledge much less their consent.

This government have utterly lost their way.

blueberryporridge · 10/12/2021 18:45

As a PP says, the PHSE syllabus is pretty comprehensive already. What exactly is going to change as a result of this survey's data?

What happens if a response indicates that abuse has taken place?

What about the kids who may get the impression that it is normal and acceptable to have (underage) sex, including anal sex because it is listed as an option on the survey form?

And the data protection issue is very real. How many adults would entrust the government with this kind of personal info which could potentially be traced back to them as an individual?

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FOJN · 10/12/2021 19:59

Anyone having sex at the age of the kids at the younger end of this survey are being raped. There is alot about this survey that needs addressing, mainly who wrote these questions in the first place and why do they want to know which kids are or are not having anal sex.

There will be children engaging in sexual activity, whether we like it or not, obtaining facts about that is not necessarily unreasonable if we want to tailor sex education to promote, health, well being and safety.

I do also recognise that there is a not so subtle push to normalise the idea of children as sexual beings and it's part of a wider campaign to erode safeguarding which I find very worrying.

Georgeskitchen · 10/12/2021 20:58

No it's absolutely not right. I would be ringing the police if my child brought this rubbish home

Shedmistress · 10/12/2021 21:00

There will be children engaging in sexual activity, whether we like it or not, obtaining facts about that is not necessarily unreasonable if we want to tailor sex education to promote, health, well being and safety.

When was the last time you answered a survey about the last time you had anal sex?

blueberryporridge · 10/12/2021 21:57

No it's absolutely not right. I would be ringing the police if my child brought this rubbish home.

I think they will be doing the survey at school. And I am not sure you can object.

Other info taken from here: www.angus.gov.uk/council_and_democracy/managing_and_accessing_information/information_governance_privacy_and_gdpr/services_privacy_statements/health_and_wellbeing_privacy_notices?page_id=1100

The information gathered will include your child's candidate number and their school identifier. The info will be seen by local authority staff and Scottish Government staff, and may be shared with a wide range of other researchers.

Here are some of the details of your rights re the processing of the info. Not at all reassuring...

What are my individual rights?
The GDPR gives you the right to object to the processing of your child/children’s personal data. However, where the processing of personal data is for scientific or historical research, or statistical purposes, these rights to object is more restricted.

Further information can be found here – Health and Wellbeing Census Detailed Privacy Notice

Can I object to the processing of my child/children’s health and wellbeing data?
No. As the data we process is lawfully gathered and necessary for the performance of a task carried out for reasons of public interest, you do not have a right to object to the processing of your child/children’s personal data.

Can I ask for my child/children’s health and wellbeing data to be deleted?
No. As we require the data for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest (and for no other purpose, such as direct marketing), we are also not required to erase your personal data as we need to retain this data for this purpose.

Can I ask to see what data you hold about my child/children’s health and wellbeing?
No. As the data we process is lawfully gathered and processed for Research, Statistics and Archiving in the public interest, and that any results of the research or resulting statistics are not made available in a form which identifies your child/children, you do not have a right to request access to the data we hold about your child/children.

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