To think it's NOT morally wrong to not self isolate?

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I'm talking about situations in which you don't legally have to isolate. So you're a contact but you are double jabbed for example (Omicron cases aside).

Discussing this with a friend who thinks regardless of whether you have to, you should isolate if you can.

So do you agree? Do you think even if not legally required, we should all still be isolating even if we're vaccinated?

My opinion is what's the point of getting all these jabs if we can't get on with life somewhat afterwards.

When my two boys had we pcr tested everyone else on days 2 and 10, and the negatives had lfts daily as well.

It’s nice to have the option to ‘morally’ isolate but if you don’t legally have to you will be expected in work. I’m NHS frontline and had to go to work despite all 3 of my children testing positive.

I was a bit stroppy with DH when I had covid as he continued to do totally unnecessary social stuff while I was self isolating. He did do an initial PCR followed by daily LFTs but I thought he should reduce interactions outside the home to those that were strictly necessary.

Not if its within the rules and work demand you back in. No.

I'm not taking the moral high ground over my kids being on the streets.

The rules changed one day after my son had a positive PCR and dh boss who has heart disease demanded all double jabbed people with confirmed cases back into work. I cant unsee that and it's totally changed my mind on risk.

Dh didnt tell anyone ds had covid because he didnt want the finger pointed if said boss ended up in ICU. Boss knew other team members had positive cases at home so who or how how many seemed irrelevant by then.

@LaBelleSausage

I think it's immoral not to make friends aware of it if you have plans with them. Let them asses their own risk and decide if they want to see you.

You never know who has contact with people who are pregnant or immunosuppressive or high risk etc.

Those immunosuppressed people and pregnant women are likely in contact with healthcare staff who have been in contact with Covid. It’s far more likely to spread in that situation yet the government see no problem with this.

Not morally wrong but probably good to use common sense eg doing things outdoors, nipping to supermarket etc is fine vs meeting up with someone very vulnerable in close contact less so.

I think morally it’s the right thing to do. Everyone has their differing levels of what is acceptable though. I’d still get my food shopping and I have the luxury of working from home. I’d cancel all social plans 100%.

So everyone who thinks you should morally isolate does that extend to your kids teachers?

As I would have probably only taught 1/10 of my classes this year had I isolated each time I was a close contact

Hmm, I like this idea. I'd never be at work. So how I suspect work, and all the parents, would be objecting.

@Moonbabysmum

I think you are supposed to limit your social interactions, so work and essential food shopping = ok, dinner with friends and curves shopping = not fine.

Personally, depending on how close the contest was, I'd fully self isolate, because I'm lucky in that I can work from home. If one household member gets it, we'd isolate together etc. I think it's better to if you can. But I can understand that some people don't have that option though.

But dinner with friends, I do think is wrong personally.

But where do you get that from?

I was contacted as a close contact, so had a PCR which was negative. At no time, either before, while waiting for the result, or after it was I asked to 'limit my social interactions'.

@LastStarFighter

Surely you do an LFT before you go anywhere if you are a close contact.

If you don’t actually HAVE covid, you can’t infect anyone with it

You can test negative and then test positive though - E.g. I had contact with someone who tested positive a day later so I isolated, got tested myself and was negative but isolated anyway (May time so had to) and did lateral flow tests every day (negative) but then tested positive on day 9 of isolation! So just doing tests doesn’t mean you don’t have it

@Madwife123 I’m really surprised your Trust allowed you in work. I work for the NHS and when both of my dds tested positive, even though I didn’t have to isolate in the community, I wasn’t allowed to go to work. I am not front line.

@Nevertime sorry I don't understand your logic.

Are you saying that a teacher who is named as a close contact, who has negative PCR, and is carrying on teaching a class of 30 children for 6 hours a day as they are expected to do (as opposed to self-isolating, which OP's friend would like), should then not mix with people outside work?

@Randomgal28 No of course doing tests doesn’t mean you don’t have it. But if you don’t have enough viral load to show up in an LFT, you also don’t have enough viral load to be a risk in passing it on. Common sense needs to apply.

I have the damn thing at the moment

We were supposed to have friends staying with us next week and although I'll be out of the isolation period before they arrive, I've told them that I've got it. I have also said that although I'd love to see them I will not be in the least offended if they don't want to see me.

Depends a lot on the situation and what the person in question can and can’t do.

My job can be done from home and my employer has a policy that any close contacts should work from home for ten days (even though that’s not required by the rules). So I would work from home. But that’s not an option on the table for lots of people.

I definitely wouldn’t visit elderly people or pregnant women or newborn babies. But I’d still go food shopping and my son would still go to nursery.

I think some people on here are thinking of different things when talking about close contacts. In my case it was a colleague who developed symptoms over the weekend, so obviously we didn't continue having contact. Other people are talking about partners or children, who they are living with and so are continuing to have contact with, though in theory the family member should be self-isolating within the home, which is not possible with young children, though should be with husbands.

I agree with you OP, the vaccines were meant to be a start to getting back some normality.

I do think use some common sense though, I tested positive for covid last week and felt awful, my partner tested negative but as we live together he's pretty much been isolating.

If it was a close contact but you don't live together etc then I think as long as you've tested negative there's no need to isolate.

Generally I think the decent thing to do if someone in your household has covid is limit contact as much as you can (work etc aside) for the contact time (10 days?).
Walking around unmasked in a very crowded place is a bit of a dick move IMO. But perfectly allowed, no real moral judgement here.

It depends.

I would say that it is morally wrong if you know there are special situations where you may meet someone CEV or someone bubbling with CEV. Eg - if you work in close proximity to someone CEV, who would prefer to wfh but who has to come into work due to company policy. Or someone who is meeting you outside for emotional support as they are having mental health issues - but also lives with someone CEV.

In those cases, it would be responsible for you to let the we CEV people know you have had a close contact with a corona case and let them decide on whether they are want to postpone meeting or take additional precautions.

Completely agree with you

My DD is out of isolation today after testing +ve. I’ve stayed off work as per protocol (nhs) and taken a PCR, then LFT everyday. Other than nip to the supermarket for bread/milk (I did an online shop) I’ve stayed in.

My DH continued to go to work, he’s double vaccinated. We simply cannot afford for him to take unpaid leave, and he used all his remaining AL when he had covid last year. He’s LFT daily. His boss gave no alternative when they knew DD was positive.

My DS continued at school, after a initial pcr and daily LFT from that day forward. I spoke to the head who stated she would expect him in and it would be unauthorised.

Yabu but it depends on the situation. Being double jabbed doesn’t stop you getting infected or from passing on the infection to others. So if your husband has covid and you decide to go for lunch at a care home, you’re immoral.

If a friend you saw last week has covid and you want to pop into the shops with a mask on, that’s morally ok.

Morals aren’t clear cut.

I would isolate, given that you can test negative and still have it, I hate the idea that I could have it and unknowingly pass it on to someone.
I'd prefer to inconvenience myself than risk making someone very ill

I'd isolate, especially not going to work as on a busy shift I can probably interact with over a hundred people. Not the best way to contain the spread.