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Joystir59 · 2021-12-08T09:52:24+00:00

Am I being unreasonable to think this is why so much is being made of the No 10 Christmas Party in the media right now? The powers that be have decided it's time for Boris to go, or indeed he's decided himself he has had enough.

LizzieW1969 · 08/12/2021 11:24

No, he wouldn’t have to actually lose that vote. Thatcher didn’t lose that vote when Heseltine challenged her leadership. But she had a narrow enough victory for it to be clear that her position was untenable. Then her Cabinet told her that she had no choice but to go.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/12/2021 11:27

@sst1234

It is absolutely reasonable to question why this has surfaced a year later. Those in power have decided they have had enough of Johnson.

More likely that DC knows the impact of a well timed truth bomb.

PicsInRed · 08/12/2021 11:28

Rishi Sunak will be the next PM.

Farage will never be PM.

There have been some very strange threads lately

TheWhalrus · 08/12/2021 11:29

@LizzieW1969 Thanks for this insight (i'm a little too young to recall the ins and outs of the Thatcher years).

Big difference between Thatcher and Boris: Thatcher actually listened to her cabinet/advisors. I suspect Boris is so arrogant that he'd take 51% as a victory and carry on regardless. And probably follow the vote with a purge from the cabinet of anyone who expressed no confidence.

MLMshouldbeillegal · 08/12/2021 11:32

@Joystir59

Farage next for PM.

Don't be ridiculous.

He's not even a MP.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 08/12/2021 11:32

@Unphased

I can’t believe it’s taken a year to surface, who has held on to this information and why?

That's what I thought - but the press would have known at he time as well I'm sure. So why did they hold on to it until now?

MLMshouldbeillegal · 08/12/2021 11:34

@Joystir59

And we fall for it. Yes Farage isn't directly in politics right now but how far fetched is that he could be put in front of the nation as next PM? Or anyone of them could be fluffed up by the media and accorded the same celebrity gloss that's been given to Johnson and us never given to the likes of Corbyn?

I think you need to go back and have a wee look at the way the British parliament works, and how the PM is elected. Your grasp of parliamentary procedure is... shaky.

percythewitch · 08/12/2021 11:42

Yes Farage isn't directly in politics right now but how far fetched is that he could be put in front of the nation as next PM?

Very, very far-fetched indeed.
About as likely as Will from the Repair Shop being PM.

Do you seriously think that if BJ were to resign, step down, whatever then absolutely anyone - without any requirement to be an MP or even a member of the Conservative Party could put themselves in the running?

LizzieW1969 · 08/12/2021 11:53

[quote TheWhalrus]@LizzieW1969 Thanks for this insight (i'm a little too young to recall the ins and outs of the Thatcher years).

Big difference between Thatcher and Boris: Thatcher actually listened to her cabinet/advisors. I suspect Boris is so arrogant that he'd take 51% as a victory and carry on regardless. And probably follow the vote with a purge from the cabinet of anyone who expressed no confidence.[/quote]
Sadly, I suspect you’re right, he would try to do just that. But if he were to lose the confidence of the backbench 1922 Committee, it would be hard for even Teflon Johnson to ignore that.

The Tories like to win elections. If Johnson becomes a liability, they’ll find a way to get him out.

luverlybubberly · 08/12/2021 11:56

@Joystir59

Yes ok I know really that it won't be Farage. But I also know there is only one reason why the BBC are making so much of the Christmas Party a whole year after the event- the Top Dogs want rid of Johnson.

I don't watch the BBC so wouldn't know how much coverage it's getting but don't you think that it's possible that there were journalists at this bash ? And if there were then it could have been someone from the BBC? Were any of the people blurred out in the video journalists ? BBC are practically government staff these days

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 08/12/2021 12:06

[quote TheWhalrus]@LizzieW1969 Thanks for this insight (i'm a little too young to recall the ins and outs of the Thatcher years).

Big difference between Thatcher and Boris: Thatcher actually listened to her cabinet/advisors. I suspect Boris is so arrogant that he'd take 51% as a victory and carry on regardless. And probably follow the vote with a purge from the cabinet of anyone who expressed no confidence.[/quote]
Thatcher didn't listen to anyone she didn't like or agree with. She fired plenty of people, advisors and cabinet who dared to challenge her.
Thatcher would have gladly carried on with a 51% vote (43% was the highest vote she got in a General election)- she was forced out because the rest could see she was becoming an electoral liability, not because she "listened" - she never did that.

Carboncheque · 08/12/2021 12:09

Maybe you should stop watching GB News and Google ‘how government works’?

DaisyNGO · 08/12/2021 12:31

@PicsInRed

Rishi Sunak will be the next PM.

Farage will never be PM.

There have been some very strange threads lately

I initially thought this Johnson, understandably, won't want to been seen implementing vax certification

But Sunak might have the same view - not sure...

So, arrange with Truss to take poisoned chalice, as per recent history. Presume everyone informed in reality.

TheWhalrus · 08/12/2021 14:17

@daimbarsatemydogsbone: we were talking about the no confidence vote, not a general election. Apparently Thatcher did win the vote, but went anyway on the advice of here ministers (ie I guess she did listen once at least, although I agree she does otherwise seem rather stubborn). I'm acutely aware Thatcher was never that popular among the general public.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 08/12/2021 14:35

[quote TheWhalrus]@daimbarsatemydogsbone: we were talking about the no confidence vote, not a general election. Apparently Thatcher did win the vote, but went anyway on the advice of here ministers (ie I guess she did listen once at least, although I agree she does otherwise seem rather stubborn). I'm acutely aware Thatcher was never that popular among the general public.[/quote]
and my point was Thatcher would have taken 51% in the leadership election - she only "listened" to her cabinet because they told her they wouldn't be supporting her in the next round so it was clear she wasn't going to get 51%. I don't think there is any difference in attitude to staying in office between Thatcher and Boris - it's always been survival at all costs for both.

MartyHart · 08/12/2021 14:48

Erm it was ITV that broke the story, just to be fair to the beeb.

HangingDitch · 08/12/2021 14:52

@Joystir59

Yes ok I know really that it won't be Farage. But I also know there is only one reason why the BBC are making so much of the Christmas Party a whole year after the event- the Top Dogs want rid of Johnson.

Yeah, that’ll be the reason. It’s not that it’s newsworthy or anything. I mean, all the other media outlets are ignoring it.

HangingDitch · 08/12/2021 14:55

[quote TheWhalrus]@daimbarsatemydogsbone: we were talking about the no confidence vote, not a general election. Apparently Thatcher did win the vote, but went anyway on the advice of here ministers (ie I guess she did listen once at least, although I agree she does otherwise seem rather stubborn). I'm acutely aware Thatcher was never that popular among the general public.[/quote]
That wasn’t a no confidence vote. She was challenged for the leadership of the Conservative Party by Michael Heseltine. She got the most votes in the first round but not enough to win outright so it went to a second ballot. However, the fact she’d failed to get enough votes the first time round seriously damaged her and it was widely considered Heseltine would win the second round. She therefore resigned to allow members of her cabinet to stand against Heseltine, on the advice of her ministers.

HeartsAndClubs · 08/12/2021 15:15

Farage on GB news saying Boris Will have to go because he has told too many lies. Oh the irony. Where was he speaking from, his Brexit Bus?

MartyHart · 08/12/2021 21:45

Boris won't go yet.
He'll go when his puppet masters decide and not before.