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Why are certain newspapers so against WFH?

233 replies

Circlesandtriangles · 07/12/2021 05:54

AIBU for seeing a persistent agenda in The Telegraph against working from home? It also has a completely misogynist undertone. Not everyone has to be a massive fan of it, but why work so hard to stoke up opinion against it??

Example headlines from November:

"If you want to lose your job, work from home"
"Just one in ten women working from home plan to return to office"
"Take it from a mother, working from home is a disaster for women"
"HMRC spends millions so staff can abandon offices"
"Afghan allies ‘left at the mercy of Taliban’ while civil servants worked from home"
"People working from home do half an hour less each day, study finds"
"It's high time staff returned to the office"

OP posts:
Elephantsparade · 07/12/2021 08:16

Working from home does reduce commuting time and costs, but there are costs to working at home such as heating and lighting, better broadband than you had before. Also if you are doing it properly you need a dedicated space and a comfortable chair although i know those working at home for a short period didnt have this.

hygtt · 07/12/2021 08:20

As a pp said it's the fear of unknown & potentially lack of control I think.

MrsTophamHat · 07/12/2021 08:20

@Elephantsparade those are a fraction of the cost of travel though. I bought a desk from
amazon and it cost me what a week's fuel would have. In the longer term, I also would have saved on clothing and shoes for work.

C8H10N4O2 · 07/12/2021 08:20

This would be the Telegraph owned by the taxile Barclay brothers' group which also has substantial retail and property interests in cities and towns? And which has had a "right end of the Tory party" stance for as long as I can recall?

If it does end up being taken over by the Daily Mail group then the same would still apply.

No idea why they might want people back in offices, its a puzzler.

hygtt · 07/12/2021 08:23

companies have also saved a lot by having people work from home.

AlternativePerspective · 07/12/2021 08:24

There are pro’s and cons to both though, and there will be long-term downsides to working from home.

Many people say they are mor productive, but an awful lot most definitely are not. Customer service has seriously taken a hit during the pandemic, and I’m not talking public sector who may have had funding cuts.

For companies in the city i.e. the civil service the London weighting is being removed for many jobs where people work from home, so while they may not be commuting, they will be financially Worse off.

WFH will most definitely disadvantage women in the future. While it is already the case that most women pick up the childcare, employers will have far more justification to say to men that they cannot have the time off for childcare because “your wife works from home,” whether we like to admit it or not, working from home isn’t viewed as seriously as someone going into the office, even if it should be.

and there are jobs which will suffer. Those in hospitality, coffee shops, sandwich shops etc. Their jobs are no less important than those who are working from home.

And the younger generation who are living in e.g. flats or their parents’ houses will be thrown into a workforce where they have no personal. Interaction with their colleagues any more because they work from home, and no escape from work because they can’t afford to convert a room into an office or they simply don’t have the space.

There was a lot of talk that wfh would benefit people with disabilities gaining employment because e.g. people in wheelchairs requiring adaptations to work in other buildings etc could now more easily be employed from home, or those who might struggle to get to work for other reasons i.e. jobs which aren’t on decent public transport routes etc, but this simply hasn’t happened.

I have been looking for work and ideally I would like a job where I could work from home. But the truth is that very few companies are advertising jobs which are wfh any more, and even interviews have gone back from remote to face-to-face.

There will be some companies who will stick with it, Nationwide for instance have sold off a lot of their property and have declared working from home to be their latest move. But on the whole companies are looking to bring their employees back into the office, at least or some of the time.

Also there is a consideration for people WFH re things like insurance. You need specific insurance if one of your rooms is adapted for work/business purposes. So that could also cost individuals.

And then there are jobs which could easily be outsourced elsewhere. It wasn’t that long ago that call centre work was outsourced abroad, this could potentially increase if call centre employees or IT professionals are remote hence able to work from anywhere, including a different country where pay rates are less.

hygtt · 07/12/2021 08:24

those are a fraction of the cost of travel though. I bought a desk from amazon and it cost me what a week's fuel would have. In the longer term, I also would have saved on clothing and shoes for work.

It depends on the individual though doesn't it. I walk to work & can wear my "own" clothes. The pandemic cost me more as my heating bills went through the roof.

hygtt · 07/12/2021 08:26

For companies in the city i.e. the civil service the London weighting is being removed for many jobs where people work from home, so while they may not be commuting, they will be financially Worse off.

IS the weighting more then the fares & time?

Elephantsparade · 07/12/2021 08:27

@MrsTophamHat - for you. Some people walk to work or cycle or have a very short commute that they car share. I have always worked really close to home. Its the same with childcare. large sections of the workforce have zero childcare costs, so they arent saving on childcare.
I dont work from home so its of no consequence to me, but I do find the idea i should be rewarded for going to my workplace or someone else penalised for not a bit off.

hygtt · 07/12/2021 08:29

And then there are jobs which could easily be outsourced elsewhere. It wasn’t that long ago that call centre work was outsourced abroad,

and so many were bought back because it didn't work.

Sprostongreen21 · 07/12/2021 08:30

My partner is local government and has worked from home not through choice but because they haven’t reopened their team office to them.

He has worked longer hours as his commute time has gone. He tends to start a little later than he did but now works later. Just because you can see people out and about doesn’t mean they aren’t working when home. They may do school hours or work later as their company allows more flexi working for their role. Could work through lunch etc. Doesn’t mean they are taking the piss tbh. I say this as someone working 13 hour days in the NHS throughout and never worked from home.

He never thought he would but he prefers it. Everything is fine with teams and he can get more done without office chatter. He certainly hasn’t been say twiddling his thumbs. It’s done wonders for his stress levels though.

GreenWhiteViolet · 07/12/2021 08:35

@Fluffycloudland77

I’m going to go with the theory the owners friends own commercial office space.

About 14-15 years ago a relative was paying £12k a quarter in a shitty backwater town for an office space. It’s a huge amount to find each year.

This. When there's a big change, some people do well out of it and others don't, and those who don't will be trying to stop it. I think the silliest I've seen was an article about how 'we' love and miss our daily rush hour commute. Utterly bizarre.
Lunaduckdrop · 07/12/2021 08:35

07:15ShinyHappyPoster

There are lots of business sectors that rely on people going to work eg commercial property, retail, hospitality. Most media owners have varied investments and assets, and alliances with other business owners in other sectors.

They would prefer a burnt-out, workforce with higher Covid rates than a workforce that is questioning any aspect of the status quo.

The pandemic represented a great opportunity to restructure every aspect of society. That threatens the conglomerates and multinationals who thrive in the current system.

^This. Well put!

fulanigirl · 07/12/2021 08:37

@hygtt

We are also the ones having to fork out childcare

So you think everyone who wfhs doesn't pay childcare? 😆

That's exactly what I've been asking myself. People that work from home pay for childcare, how else do they work?
CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 07/12/2021 08:38

I think it’s a combination of the papers having an agenda handed to them by their billionaire paymasters as previous posters have suggested, together with a loss of revenue due to decreased footfall; how many folk grab a paper as part of their daily commute? Yes, traditional papers like the Telegraph have subscription web sites, but compare the amount of ads between a website & a newspaper; I’d be willing to bet they’ve lost advertising revenue with decreased commuter footfall translating into reduced print newspaper sales.

YourenutsmiLord · 07/12/2021 08:41

It's a bit like the 'women love to shop' trope in the past - I remember Tesco bringing in clothing - women will have the opportunity to clothes shop when they do the weekly food shopping - along comes online shopping and everyone very happily stays home.

fulanigirl · 07/12/2021 08:42

@manysummersago

I’d be inclined to think that young people would be missing out from wfh.

Even DH has commented that he doesn’t know how new people would be trained at the moment.

When we get new students, we take turns going into the office to train them until we are comfortable they can work from home. There is always a few people in the office everyday for them.
Babybooboodedoo · 07/12/2021 08:46

My husband’s large employer is about to do an estates review, with the aim of rationalising their offices by a third.

That’s probably happening across the economy and commercial landlords/ investors will be doing everything they can to stop it.

FelinaDaHousecat · 07/12/2021 08:47

@manysummersago

Right, I didn’t see it happening here, somehow!

@PhilCornwall1 every time WFH is discussed on MN people say similar. They are so much more productive. Yet this doesn’t tally with my experiences to be honest. I’m certainly not saying that you personally aren’t but I think overall people may think they are more productive but aren’t.

I work from home. I do not 'think' I am more productive. I have hard evidence of it through my Key Performance Indicators.
FelinaDaHousecat · 07/12/2021 08:48

I am only posting on MN because I am off today and chilling :)

FelinaDaHousecat · 07/12/2021 08:49

Also The Telegraph aka the Torygraph isn't a great indicator of... anything really except possibly of tory twatness?

TracyLords · 07/12/2021 08:52

I’ve wfh because of Covid. Just returned to the office as I hate wfh and the impact on my mental health.

But wfh was not a skive. I worked productively through it, even while homeschooling. And as soon as childcare was open; DS was there.

I honestly think that if there is the capability to wfh and it doesn’t impact someone’s productivity then they should be allowed to wfh. But it’s certainly not a skive

MrsTophamHat · 07/12/2021 08:54

@Elephantsparade not rewarded but compensated for in the wage. Surely workiing conditions is taken into account when deciding on a salary anyway. Things like unsociable hours and night shifts are recognised due to the impact on your work life balance, so I don't see why there couldn't be some recognition that WFH can make life easier and more flexible.

ThisBear · 07/12/2021 08:54

I find the outrage over wfh really bizarre. I've worked both ways, typically end up working over the time I would have been commuting when I wfh, and in one of the fields I've worked in it's been commonplace since the early 2000s. So these comments about doing less make me sick tbh.

Some people have a ten minute walking commute, some people have a two hour commute across two buses and a train. Some people work tough physical jobs but get home at a decent hour, others work in relaxed offices but don't get home before 9pm, or work in a 'cushy' job from home that's actually a really stressful one with a high level of responsibility. Jobs are different, they always have been.

Don't you dare tell anyone they should be paid less than you because you think they've got a bit of extra convenience.

MasterGland · 07/12/2021 08:58

In answer to a pp, I read The Telegraph at the weekend. I like the Review section on a Saturday for books and music. I also like the recipes in the magazine. The main section is my summary of news for the week, and I enjoy reading the opinion pieces from some of their columnists. I don't necessarily agree with them all, but then I didnt think I had to. The letters pages are normally full of letters from people disagreeing with columnists.