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Paranoia?

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ButtonBound · 01/12/2021 20:03

I posted this previously in mental health.... it's still bothering me, looking for a fresh perspective

I met a guy online dating and I have convinced myself he is spying on me. We don't speak now, but it ended OK.

So, we met on POF and after a few days moved to KIK. Chatted for a few weeks, drifted then got back in touch. Not going to lie, it regularly turned a bit naughty with some photos being exchanged. Nothing too revealing, just sexy. One morning it headed "that" way and he sent me a photo. I thought I would send the same photo from my POV. I took the pic but hadn't sent it when he said "can I see a photo of {insert your own assumption here} lol... copycat". So anyway, what he asked for was the photo I had taken. Didn't really think anything of it at the time. He said something else during the chat.... I obviously won't go into details and it's only when I looked back on it I thought "huh". I should say, I used my tablet for chatting (except for a few days on POF and no photos exchanged then) and my phone for taking the pics. I'm almost sure I had the tablets front facing camera viewfinder thing covered at the time. Almost sure.

But I've got it into my head that he has embedded spyware onto one of the photos he sent me and when I've clicked on the photo it has activated it. And! The photo synced to google photos app so now must be infecting my phone. There is built in McAfee on my devices. I've since got a Norton subscription, taken one of the devices into a phone shop and they downloaded Malwarebytes and AVG ... they told me that these things leave a trace and if none of them are picking up anything then it's unlikely there is anything there. I've done online chats with various antivirus companies asking if it's possible for spyware to be embedded in a photo and a few said no, others said whilst it's possible it's unlikely and generallly not seen 'in the wild' as it is not a viable attack vector (whatever that means) and would require secondary programs etc and if there was something they would find and remove it.

I'm trying to take all this on board and think about it rationally. Like I never sent a photo of my face and right up to the end he was asking to see one. So of-course he hasn't been snooping through my photos.... because why would he be asking for one if he could already see me. Logical, yes. But then I think, maybe he just wanted to see if I sent him a real photo. And I start to unravel all over again. We haven't spoken for a few months now but I'm still thinking about it. I've pretty much stopped using the tablet, I have to use my phone but it's limited and I cover my camera finder with a plaster. I've deacativated FB and only log on occasionally in work. I've even made a little edit that says "(name) please stop spying on me" and saved it to various albums in my gallery so he can see it. I'm literally going f*cking crazy. Even now I'm wondering if he can see this (if you can, please stop).

I try to tell myself it was just a coincidence and for a little while it works. I try to tell myself that just the other week I was going to e-mail a supplier in work, pulled up his e-mail but hadn't gotten around to sending it and a short while later he e-mailed me! Just one of those things!!

I don't even think he's going to stalk me or anything, I just think he's had a nosey through my photos. I was not as keen to show my face as he was... and he did and I didn't. Maybe he got pissed off?

I don't know what I'm expecting from this, I just needed to get it out because I don't have anyone to tell in 'real life'. I just feel like I'm going mad.

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SommerTen · 01/12/2021 20:31

Hi, I suffer from paranoia as a symptom of Schizoaffective disorder.
I am NOT saying for a minute that you suffer from this illness but I can see that your thoughts and feelings about this man & him possibly spying on you have definitely spiralled out of control.

When I was very ill I became convinced that mi6 were spying on me & on my social media... I even thought that random people were spies. Etc
Don't allow yourself to get that poorly.

So I really think you need to get at the very least a telephone appointment with your gp to discuss how paranoid you feel.

Stay away from online dating and even just social media until you feel 'normal' again.

I hope things can improve for you soon.

housemaus · 01/12/2021 20:50

Okay, take several massive deep breaths.

You are almost definitely massively, massively overreacting - it's okay, irrational fears get us all sometimes and you've just latched onto it a bit more (well, the fear of it happening isn't irrational, but thinking it's likely is).

He sent a photo of X bodypart - presumably in the hopes you'd do the same in return. In my head, 'copycat' in his message was a (rubbish) way of like, teasing/goading you into returning the favour as it were.

The likelihood that someone has been able to send spyware through a photo is very small. The likelihood that they could use the chatting device (tablet) to infect the photo device (phone) is as close to zero as you can get - i.e. I've worked (very distantly!) on some cybersecurity projects and unless he's a hacker funded by a government somewhere with some expensive software he's not going to be able to do it (like, ££££££ expensive - no offence to you as I'm sure you're gorgeous Grin but I doubt they're using this kind of spyware to spy on women off POF!).

What's not great, though, is that you've latched onto this and aren't able to let go - which you know, obviously. Have you ever had obsessive thoughts or paranoia before? I wonder if it might be worth seeing your GP as they're obviously quite substantial and affecting you daily, and it's best to catch this kind of thought pattern before it gets worse (and so you can feel better, too!)

Do you have a printer at work you're allowed to use (or one at home, or Ryman do printing)? This <a class="break-all" href="https://depts.washington.edu/uwhatc/PDF/TF-%20CBT/pages/4%20Coping%20Skills/Thoughts/Alternative%20thoughts%20worksheet.pdfdepts.washington.edu/uwhatc/PDF/TF-%20CBT/pages/4%20Coping%20Skills/Thoughts/Alternative%20thoughts%20worksheet.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">worksheet is a great exercise to fill in whenever the thoughts get especially bad - it can be useful to go through the questions and separate yourself from the thoughts. Keeping a track of your feelings will be useful, too - you can see when/why they're worse, and maybe note what particularly has triggered it to flare up on a particular day to see if you can spot patterns.

ButtonBound · 13/12/2021 13:53

Thanks to you both for your input.

SommerTen.... I do think I might have some kind of personality disorder. I've always felt a little 'different'.

And because I can't let things go.... I recently viewed him on POF and he viewed me back. A few days later I made a new kik account (I deleted old one) and found his account (but didn't chat). A few hours later he got in touch on POF. So of-course that set me off again. I made a joke about it and said 'are you spying on me 🤣'. He laughed back and said he'd messaged me there the day before - I can't get into my old account as I deleted it but he says it's def still there.

housemas - the reason I ask about infecting multiple devices is because I've read online and the phone shop guy had told me if I suspected spyware was sent by photo not to transfer any photos from one device to another. So I figured if it had synced to google photos would that spyware then be infecting the app in general. And yes, I have had obsessive/paranoid thoughts before.

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ChangeChingyChange · 13/12/2021 15:45

Oh dear OP Confused you need to speak to your GP. It's not normal to have this level of paranoia.

ButtonBound · 13/12/2021 17:36

@ChangeChingyChange

Oh dear OP Confused you need to speak to your GP. It's not normal to have this level of paranoia.
I know, but the last time I had paranoid thoughts they kind of just teetered out. I'm hoping this happens again. Though looking at it in detail I do think there is a bigger issue here.
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ButtonBound · 15/12/2021 11:31

I've been dealing (or not) with this since August. It's always niggling away but sometimes it hits me like a tsunami.

Why can't I just let it go? I have 3 anti-virus apps all showing nothing but I can't let it go

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ButtonBound · 14/02/2022 12:25

OK, I need help. I'm not getting any better. I don't want to go to doctors as it will take too long. How do I go about sourcing private mental health?

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ButtonBound · 14/02/2022 20:59

Anyone?

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PerditaPerdita · 14/02/2022 22:09

Ok, reality check here:

What exactly prompted you to think he's got access to your photos, files, etc?

ButtonBound · 14/02/2022 22:55

@PerditaPerdita

Ok, reality check here:

What exactly prompted you to think he's got access to your photos, files, etc?

.... all of what I've written in my previous posts.
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