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Red wine education

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theshadeofgreen · 01/12/2021 17:16

So... I'm mid 30s and all of my friends and family drink red wine. I've always stuck to white and am always the awkward one who can't share a bottle if we go it for dinner Grin

Last night, DH had a bottle of red open and insisted I might like it... apparently it's a 'mature' taste and now i'm a responsible mother of two he thought I may enjoy it. I took a sip and OH MY GOD I AM CONVERTED.

So... this one was called 19 crimes. I have absolutely idea if they all taste similar or are wildly different but I want to find out Grin

Are there other red wines that are similar to this one (but maybe less that £10 a bottle Confused) or is there a better type out there?

Help me MNettersWine

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bsc · 09/12/2021 09:31

Looking down @hotcrossedbums list I know I love malbec and barolo...so could someone tell me what the names of old world shirazs would be please? (By which I mean which regions etc)

I am surprised they are allowed to add sugar to wine in Australia/NZ/SA. That may be why my friends like it so much Grin

Otherpeoplesteens · 09/12/2021 11:57

@bsc

If you want Shiraz from the Old World then the first thing you need to understand is that in France it is called Syrah, and that with a couple of exceptions is it rare to find it anywhere in Europe as a single varietal, even less to to find it labelled as such.

The Northern Rhône is the main exception. Although some appellations permit the addition of other varieties, by and large anything from there will be purely Syrah although it almost certainly won't say anything on the label. Look for appellations such as Côte-Rôtie, Hermitage, Crozes-Hermitage, and Cornas. St Joseph is another, but the wines tend to be thinner and lighter than elsewhere in the Northern Rhône.

In the Southern Rhône Syrah will often be present, but as a general rule will be a junior partner in a blend with Grenache and possibly some Mourvèdre. Same applies to Côtes du Rhône-Villages which are all in the centre or south, although you might find a generic Côtes du Rhône made in the north from pure Syrah.

The other exception is the Languedoc-Roussilion, where you are much more likely to find varietal wines under the Vin de Pays d'Oc designation than in the traditional appellations where they still blend everything.

There are a couple of enterprising producers in Portugal growing Syrah/Shiraz in the Alentejo region. Although most blend it with indigenous varieties there are a few varietals (Herdade do Esporão is the producer I'm particularly familiar with), but if anyone does still import them to the UK you'll have to hunt around for them.

Adding sugar to wine before fermentation has been practised for centuries in the Old World to boost the alcohol level in years when grapes don't properly ripen - it's called chaptalization. It also happens in Champagne - the dosage - to enable the second fermentation in the bottle.

Adding it (or, more likely, adding concentrated grape must) to sweeten the end result is mostly a German trick. The Italians achieve the same sweetening effect by drying a proportion of grapes to raisin levels. Port is made sweet by stopping the fermentation with brandy before all the sugar has turned to alcohol.

Obviously in the New World they don't bother with fussy old traditions, and if sweet-toothed Brits want a sweet wine they just shove some sugar in!

HangingDitch · 09/12/2021 12:01

Love Pinot Noir.

I read somewhere that the proper way to serve it is chilled, unlike other red wines.

I asked a wine waiter for a chilled bottle of it and he looked at me with so much respect even though I didn’t have a clue and was just repeating what I’d read.

notforonesecond · 09/12/2021 12:02

The 19 Crimes “the uprising” one is my favourite red wine. But I doubt I have a particularly discerning pallet.

Sunshineandflipflops · 09/12/2021 12:12

I love red wine - my favourites are Malbec and Rioja, although I've had to try a fair few in the name of research to whittle out the not so good ones...

I do love an ice cold blush (not rose...too sweet) in the summer though.

NdujaWannaDance · 09/12/2021 12:19

I looked it up and 19 crimes is a blend of Shiraz, cabernet sauvignon and grenade

LOL, that would be what people mean when they refer to as a 'an explosion of flavour on the palate' then. Grin

SolemnlySwear2010 · 09/12/2021 12:20

My DH and I are recent red wine converts too, our favourites so far are:

Yellow Tail Jammy Red Roo
19 Crimes
Jam Shed
Beefsteak (this was the one that changed our minds)

bsc · 09/12/2021 14:12

@Otherpeoplesteens You are wonderful! Thank you for that 💓 so helpful!
I actually do like Crozes-Hermitage, definitely Grin I shall look out for others you suggest next time I'm shopping.

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Atlanticpa · 09/12/2021 14:55

Porta6 from here is very nice. recwww.portugalvineyards.com/en/
Highly recommended by James Martin. Usually £9 in UK but works out about £4.50 a bottle delivered from Portugal. Per bottle cost gets lower the more you buy due to dispatch charges.

Clevs · 09/12/2021 15:00

The Barefoot range is quite nice? Particularly the Merlot (blue label) and Malbec (green label). Not that expensive either. Depending on where you buy it from and if it's in offer it ranges from £5.50-£7.00.

MorningStarling · 09/12/2021 15:04

Generally it's best to follow the "Black Books" guide to wine.

The older the wine is, the gooder it is. By the same token, the more expensive the wine is, the gooder it is. Also.

FlibbertyGiblets · 09/12/2021 15:17

@MorningStarling

Generally it's best to follow the "Black Books" guide to wine.

The older the wine is, the gooder it is. By the same token, the more expensive the wine is, the gooder it is. Also.

Not black books but someone told me to jam a thumb up the underdimple, the deeper the dimple the posher the producer, wine likely to be a goodun.
SparrowBird · 09/12/2021 15:21

@theshadeofgreen

So... I'm mid 30s and all of my friends and family drink red wine. I've always stuck to white and am always the awkward one who can't share a bottle if we go it for dinner Grin

Last night, DH had a bottle of red open and insisted I might like it... apparently it's a 'mature' taste and now i'm a responsible mother of two he thought I may enjoy it. I took a sip and OH MY GOD I AM CONVERTED.

So... this one was called 19 crimes. I have absolutely idea if they all taste similar or are wildly different but I want to find out Grin

Are there other red wines that are similar to this one (but maybe less that £10 a bottle Confused) or is there a better type out there?

Help me MNettersWine

If you don’t like Jammy Roo I will eat my hat!
EmpressCixi · 09/12/2021 15:23

Red wine should not be sweet. They can be fruity or woody and rich/intense but not sweet. Unless it’s Sangria which is wine mixed with fruit juices. You’d probably like a good bottled Spanish Sangria as wellness OP.

But if you want to continue your education try some reds from Bordeaux France, Spanish reds, and Italian reds.
I buy from Vintage Roots, they sell organic wines for around £10/bottle on up. You can mix and match whatever you want.

FrankGrillosWrist · 09/12/2021 15:23

I got a bottle at Spar recently for £5.29, can’t remember which one but there’s only 2 at that price so you can afford to try both. It was the best I’d tasted in years!

EmpressCixi · 09/12/2021 15:27

@HangingDitch

Love Pinot Noir.

I read somewhere that the proper way to serve it is chilled, unlike other red wines.

I asked a wine waiter for a chilled bottle of it and he looked at me with so much respect even though I didn’t have a clue and was just repeating what I’d read.

Yes most red wine should be stored and then served at “medieval room temperature”...which is around 15C. Unfortunately, houses are too warmly heated for wine these days....
theshadeofgreen · 21/12/2021 19:07

For anyone still here... I've just opened a Malbec and it's VILE. So tangy! Is that normal? Confused

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CounsellorTroi · 21/12/2021 19:16

You’re not meant to drink Malbec immediately after opening, it needs to breathe,. Leave it an hour or so. If you want an immediate red Australian ones are better.

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