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doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:19

I want to become a doctor and I’ve been rejected from medicine (mature/graduate entry) for the second year in a row. I’ll be 27 years old next year though so feeling like time is moving on a little bit and I’m feeling a bit stuck. Looking for some sensible advice if I’d be stupid to keep going forward with this, especially as everyone in my real life feels I should give up and I’ve not really got any support. I don’t know if an outside opinion would help?

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doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:20

I’ve tried a lot to help my application and have a lot of healthcare experience. My heart is telling me go for it for another year then stop if it doesn’t work out. Don’t know what everyone else here thinks

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FreedomFaith · 29/11/2021 22:21

Doesn't sound great if you've been rejected twice. Why are you being rejected? Do they give you any feedback?

Daisy4569 · 29/11/2021 22:23

Do you have any idea why you were rejected? If so is there anything you can do over the next year to increase your chances of being accepted? I wouldn’t necessarily give up if it’s your dream and you’re passionate about it, you have to pursue what you love. Alternatively have a think about why you’re so interested in this career path and maybe think of others which would give you the same fulfilment?

doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:23

@FreedomFaith

Doesn't sound great if you've been rejected twice. Why are you being rejected? Do they give you any feedback?
I was told from the feedback it’s based on my marks for the admission tests. If I can improve this, I might stand a chance at acceptance
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Actupfishy · 29/11/2021 22:23

Is you’re rejection coming from grades you’ve achieved?

Totalwasteofpaper · 29/11/2021 22:24

You definitely aren't too old.
I think you just need to have a clear plan / cut off so it doesn't drift indefinitely. On that basis I think one more year wouldn't hurt but I suppose my devil's advocate position would be "how has your position/application improved vs last year?"

If it didn't secure a place this year why will it next year?

Actupfishy · 29/11/2021 22:25

Could you not try another medical profession?

FreedomFaith · 29/11/2021 22:26

I was told from the feedback it’s based on my marks for the admission tests. If I can improve this, I might stand a chance at acceptance

So you've failed tests twice? Your best bet then is studying a shit ton more than you are.

But I'd have to question too, if you've already not studied enough twice just to complete the tests, are you going to manage the level of study required for medicine? It's constant, even after qualifying.

UmbilicusProfundus · 29/11/2021 22:32

You are definitely not too old. But you do need to understand why you are getting rejected. Not just to do better next time, but to reflect on whether it really is for you. Do you still need to pass a specific entry exam - I assume you have got that already?

Medicine is a huge world and there is bound to be something to suit you if you have the capability. But it’s a fucking long slog to find your niche full of stress and uncertainty and impracticalities (though not impossibilities) if you want to combine with family life. Or any life Confused

doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:39

@Actupfishy

Is you’re rejection coming from grades you’ve achieved?
My grades from the admission tests yes
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doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:41

@UmbilicusProfundus

You are definitely not too old. But you do need to understand why you are getting rejected. Not just to do better next time, but to reflect on whether it really is for you. Do you still need to pass a specific entry exam - I assume you have got that already?

Medicine is a huge world and there is bound to be something to suit you if you have the capability. But it’s a fucking long slog to find your niche full of stress and uncertainty and impracticalities (though not impossibilities) if you want to combine with family life. Or any life Confused

Thanks for the advice Smile I need to figure out if medicine is for me

Are you a doctor by the way?

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Funnylittlefloozie · 29/11/2021 22:45

What draws you to medicine? Whats your first degree in? Would you consider something medical but not actually being a doctor? There are dozens of medical careers that don't involve just being a doctor.

There's always dentistry...

doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:55

@FreedomFaith

I was told from the feedback it’s based on my marks for the admission tests. If I can improve this, I might stand a chance at acceptance

So you've failed tests twice? Your best bet then is studying a shit ton more than you are.

But I'd have to question too, if you've already not studied enough twice just to complete the tests, are you going to manage the level of study required for medicine? It's constant, even after qualifying.

Maybe you are right. Perhaps it’s my work ethic (and time management) that needs fixing. I need to dedicate more time to studying for these tests
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doctororno · 29/11/2021 22:56

@Funnylittlefloozie

What draws you to medicine? Whats your first degree in? Would you consider something medical but not actually being a doctor? There are dozens of medical careers that don't involve just being a doctor.

There's always dentistry...

I’ve thought about dentistry briefly. It’s another option to consider and start thinking about properly.
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doctororno · 29/11/2021 23:44

I don’t really know why I want to become a doctor

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Hairymclairy52 · 30/11/2021 00:19

@doctororno

I don’t really know why I want to become a doctor
If you’re 27 and applying for your third time, you really need to know. Time to do some soul searching. Is it helping people? Is it the professional kudos? Is it the power? The adrenaline rush? Knowing you made a difference? The money? Are you trying to prove something to yourself or others? The intellectual challenge?

You must have some idea what is attracting you to medicine?

Hairymclairy52 · 30/11/2021 00:28

As for your question though, I think there’s no harm in trying again. But as an outsider with limited info, on balance I’d think maybe it’s time to move on. Questions running through my head:

  1. If you’re so passionate about being a doctor- where have you been till now?
  2. If you’ve had another career since graduating and since found that medicine is your ‘calling’, surely you should know why you want to be a doctor now and switch career?
  3. Or, was it that you’ve always wanted to be a doctor, but you didn’t get the grades to get into a medicine course at undergrad? If so, your low grades in the graduate entry tests don’t seem to bode too well. Maybe this career will be too much of a struggle for you? I’d look at alternatives tbh. Being a doctor involves taking constant tests and exams. It is stressful. If you don’t enjoy studying you probably wouldn’t enjoy it.
dobblebubble · 30/11/2021 02:42

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Anordinarymum · 30/11/2021 03:00

OP What about becoming a pharmacist?

Kyliealwayshadthebestdisco · 30/11/2021 05:54

I am a doctor. 27 definitely isn’t too old if it’s your heart’s desire and you are capable of getting the grades with some hard work. But I guess I can see how you might feel a bit stuck when you’ve been trying to start the long process of becoming a doctor for 2 years already after a late start. I think giving it one more year wouldn’t hurt if it’s absolutely your dream, but I do find it odd if that’s the case, that you are struggling to answer why you want to be a doctor yet are willing to try to get into medicine for 3 years in a row as a mature student. And you should absolutely be prepared for a long hard slog with endless exams and many years of exhausting yourself by working long unsociable hours and having not much of a life outside of work.

For my part I will say that being a doctor isn’t all it’s cracked up to be in this country any more, although it will always be a solid degree and you will always have job security. I’m pretty burned out at this point I think, so in some ways am not the best person to be advising, and would hate to put someone off medicine if it’s what they truly want to do, but having said that, there are a lot of doctors who feel just like me in the UK, and it’s getting worse rather than better. It’s a very difficult time to be a doctor in the UK, not just because of the pandemic but because of the chronic underfunding of the NHS and the apparent permanent Tory government we have. And I unfortunately don’t really see it improving any time soon. Hand on heart it’s difficult to encourage people into medicine right now in all good conscience. Personally I feel trapped and slightly regret becoming a doctor, which is sad as I used to see it as a vocation, I am a good doctor and care a lot about my patients, and at one point I loved my job (when we had a Labour government), but the job is now killing me. If you were planning to do medicine and immediately leave the country once qualified to practice outside of the UK the picture might look more hopeful! And the pendulum may yet change but I think it’s likely to be a really shit few decades til it does.

Basically if you want to do it for the “prestige” then I would heavily advise against it. Only do it if your heart and soul are screaming to be a doctor and you can’t contemplate doing anything else with your life. Only at that sort of level of dedication I think would it really be worth the effort right now.

If I were starting over again in the here and now, knowing now how things would turn out, I would train to be a Physicians Associate instead. As far as I can see, you get all the “fun” of medicine and a decent part of the salary too without having to do anything like the same amount of hard work either exams and studying wise or endless night shifts and weekends while training. It seems like a really good career path and the PA role is here to stay in the UK.

DilemmaDelilah · 30/11/2021 07:48

As you no doubt know already - training to be a doctor is very difficult! If you have failed the admission tests twice, do you know why you failed? If it was because they are really hard and you failed despite doing loads of work beforehand, then I'm really sorry to say you would probably not be able to pass all the tests/exams required during your training. If it is because life got in the way and you just didn't have time to study, or just didn't study as hard as you should have done - then what makes you think you would do/be able to do all you need to do during your training? There may be another reason or reasons why you failed of course, which we don't know about. I think you need to take a good look at the reasons why you failed and work out whether those reasons are going to affect your medical training. If your reasons are either of the ones I have detailed then no - I wouldn't be applying a third time. If there is some other reason then maybe yes, depending on whether I thought I could manage the training and could be successful. 27 is definitely not too old, in fact having a little life experience can only help.

doctororno · 30/11/2021 10:59

@Kyliealwayshadthebestdisco

I am a doctor. 27 definitely isn’t too old if it’s your heart’s desire and you are capable of getting the grades with some hard work. But I guess I can see how you might feel a bit stuck when you’ve been trying to start the long process of becoming a doctor for 2 years already after a late start. I think giving it one more year wouldn’t hurt if it’s absolutely your dream, but I do find it odd if that’s the case, that you are struggling to answer why you want to be a doctor yet are willing to try to get into medicine for 3 years in a row as a mature student. And you should absolutely be prepared for a long hard slog with endless exams and many years of exhausting yourself by working long unsociable hours and having not much of a life outside of work.

For my part I will say that being a doctor isn’t all it’s cracked up to be in this country any more, although it will always be a solid degree and you will always have job security. I’m pretty burned out at this point I think, so in some ways am not the best person to be advising, and would hate to put someone off medicine if it’s what they truly want to do, but having said that, there are a lot of doctors who feel just like me in the UK, and it’s getting worse rather than better. It’s a very difficult time to be a doctor in the UK, not just because of the pandemic but because of the chronic underfunding of the NHS and the apparent permanent Tory government we have. And I unfortunately don’t really see it improving any time soon. Hand on heart it’s difficult to encourage people into medicine right now in all good conscience. Personally I feel trapped and slightly regret becoming a doctor, which is sad as I used to see it as a vocation, I am a good doctor and care a lot about my patients, and at one point I loved my job (when we had a Labour government), but the job is now killing me. If you were planning to do medicine and immediately leave the country once qualified to practice outside of the UK the picture might look more hopeful! And the pendulum may yet change but I think it’s likely to be a really shit few decades til it does.

Basically if you want to do it for the “prestige” then I would heavily advise against it. Only do it if your heart and soul are screaming to be a doctor and you can’t contemplate doing anything else with your life. Only at that sort of level of dedication I think would it really be worth the effort right now.

If I were starting over again in the here and now, knowing now how things would turn out, I would train to be a Physicians Associate instead. As far as I can see, you get all the “fun” of medicine and a decent part of the salary too without having to do anything like the same amount of hard work either exams and studying wise or endless night shifts and weekends while training. It seems like a really good career path and the PA role is here to stay in the UK.

Thanks for sharing. I’ve heard similar from other junior doctors too. With physician associates role, I’ve heard (could be wrong) that they can never practice independent of a doctor? Also read from people that there isn’t much progression though compared to medicine.
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KittensWearingWoollyMittens · 30/11/2021 11:00

I don’t really know why I want to become a doctor
They will ask you this if you get as far as the interview...

Practicebeingpatient · 30/11/2021 11:33

I'd give it a go. You are obviously highly motivated. Can you get some sort of tuition or coaching to improve your test results?

A friend of DC's was in a similar position and had to try several times. He was absolutely determined not to settle so kept plugging away and working in related areas and is now a fully qualified junior doctor. I would rather have someone like him treating me than an academic whizz kid who drifted into medicine because that was the prestigious path for clever kids.

doctororno · 30/11/2021 12:06

@Practicebeingpatient

I'd give it a go. You are obviously highly motivated. Can you get some sort of tuition or coaching to improve your test results?

A friend of DC's was in a similar position and had to try several times. He was absolutely determined not to settle so kept plugging away and working in related areas and is now a fully qualified junior doctor. I would rather have someone like him treating me than an academic whizz kid who drifted into medicine because that was the prestigious path for clever kids.

Thanks I’m thinking of enrolling in a training course to help me prepare for the admission tests Smile
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