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I'm not BU, I need advice about my 8yo

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Sheeeeeesh · 28/11/2021 02:04

My son has changed over the past year or so. He used to be so happy, funny and cheery. Now he's sullen, cheeky and seems depressed.

I could understand it if he was nearing the teenage years but he's only 8, he's 9 in January.

I've noticed this over the past few months but it's come to a head very recently. He's said for a long while he doesn't like school, although he does well and always gets brilliant report cards and glowing reports at parents' evenings.

He has 2 after school activities that has him out twice during the week after school and once over the weekend. He enjoys these and (mostly) wants to go.

He eats well and enjoys physical activity. He also watches too much youtube and plays video games a lot. He doesn't play with toys but reads a lot at bedtime.

He often complains of minor ailments, he's always got something wrong - sore leg, stomach, head etc. There's always some physical complaint but I can never find any actual issue.

He mentioned recently that he wishes he was never born, obviously I was concerned but then hoped that he doesn't apply the same meaning at his age as to what adults would think about saying those same words. But then, this evening, he told me more about his feelings and it has got me very worried.

I'm not sure where to go next. The doctor? School? Both? He won't tell me what's bothering him. He can't seem to put it into words, or he's too scared to tell me.

I've asked lots of (what I deem non-threatening questions) about where the issue has arisen i.e. school, his activities, home, etc. I've made it as clear as I can that I love him no matter what and I will do everything I can to make things better for him, and about the kind of secrets he can tell me. I've re-iterated that he will not get into trouble at all but he won't tell me anything about where the issue has come from.

I'm not a perfect parent and this past year has been extremely difficult, for me personally, and due to close family's ill health that has taken up a lot of my time. But this started before that and is getting worse.

He has a younger brother who is doing great and as expected for his age, and I'm married to his Dad so we're a "traditional" family unit.

Depression runs in my family, and my husband's, so that is a concern. I was also diagnosed with a neurological condition earlier this year that could hereditary.

My parents either missed, or ignored, my mental health issues growing up and I am determined not to do the same with my son.

I'm concerned about flagging it to the doctor or school because I recently got my Mum's medical records and they show entries from when she was a toddler, up to now, so I'm concerned about this being on his medical files. However, his wellbeing trumps everything.

Does anyone have any advice? Doctors visit next?

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HerRoyalHappiness · 28/11/2021 02:12

8/9 is a really hormonal time for kids. My own son went through the same lind of thing.
He'd previously been happy, chatty, bouncy and never stopped. Then suddenly he became miserable, withdrawn, sullen.
He'd try and not go to school, so I thought maybe he was being bullied. He wasn't. He didn't want to join activities with the family, so I thought maybe he felt they were too babyish for him. But no, he got upset if I didn't include him (or try to)

On a brighter note, he's now a very happy, chatty, lively, funny, high achieving 13 year old. It seemed to last a year or so and then he snapped out of it, but my god that year was difficult. I felt like I was always doing something wrong and was so worried about him. Luckily he turned back into his usual self after a while
I think the only thing you can do is let him know you're there if he ever needs you, and let him have his emotions. It's hard being a kid, especially an older kid, that age where they're not quite littke but not grown either..

JustJoinedRightNow · 28/11/2021 02:16

Hi OP. My son was the same at a young age, like your son.
Yes, we went to the GP and got a mental health plan, and went to see a psychologist. We are in Australia so I’m not sure of your process but the psych is funded and we don’t have to pay for much of it.
It has worked wonders. My son has severe anxiety which is where the worrying thoughts came from, and all of it sounds the same as what you’ve written down.

One practical thing I will advise is to monitor his video game use. Reduce it, and stick to those limits. Also, is anyone speaking to him online that you don’t know about?

Take care, and I wish your son well.

nimbuscloud · 28/11/2021 02:30

What is he watching on YouTube?

Marianne1234 · 28/11/2021 02:34

Is he being bullied? It sounds like a reaction to something like that.

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 28/11/2021 02:40

I was going to say the same...is he being bullied? I think your first stop should be the school, definitely

Chocolatehamper · 28/11/2021 02:41

Reading your description my first reaction was that he's being bullied. My son suffered from bullying throughout primary and into secondary because he's autistic and an easy target.

Speak to the school, ask them if there have been any issue between him and anyone else, how has he been during lessons etc. if there's a lunchtime supervisor you can speak with them to see if they have noticed anything.

Ask him straight out if someone is picking on him and watch his reaction. He won't tell you because he'd have been warned not to, but you're his Mum, you'll know if he's hiding something. Thanks

ItsTheTreasure · 28/11/2021 03:03

Hi OP, he sounds exactly like my 9 year old son. I also thought maybe he was being bullied, he isn't. Definitely talk to the school, my DS has sessions with a emotional literacy support assistant (ELSA) where they talk about how he is feeling while colouring or similar and work on techniques to help. He feels much better after talking, and often opens up to me after.

Emelene · 28/11/2021 03:18

It might be worth talking to the GP as the physical symptoms could be anxiety. Has he said anything more about not wanting to be born or not wanting to be alive? I think that would be worrying for me as a mum. All the best x

Kanaloa · 28/11/2021 04:10

Can you speak to the school and see if there are any problems with friends or maybe a child picking on him? If he enjoys his activities and academic work but is complaining about school that sounds like either bullying or friendship problems.

If he’s watching too much YouTube/playing video games too much can you cut down? Eight is very young, I think my eight year old would be snappy and moody if he spent all his time watching YouTube and playing video games. They’re not really calming activities, I know for me myself (as an adult even) I tend to get in YouTube binges when I’m depressed and they make me worse.

Maybe you could swap some screen time for family time/doing things with him? I find when I go for a drive/walk or play Lego/games with my kids that’s when they suddenly open up to me so much more than when I sit them down for a chat.

Good luck. I do think it’s so true that you’re only as happy as your unhappiest child.

Kanaloa · 28/11/2021 04:11

Also, why would you be concerned about an issue from when he’s eight being on his medical record? How do you think that will be problematic?

floofcat · 28/11/2021 06:12

You mentioned that you were diagnosed with a neurological condition earlier this year, does his change in behaviour coincide with this by any chance?

The reason why I ask is that I was diagnosed with a neuromuscular condition when my DD was 8 and she couldn't cope with it and ended up suffering from General Anxiety Disorder and OCD because she became so stressed over it. First signs were that she complained of tummy pains and she didn't want to go to school.

I think a chat with your GP would be my first port of call. It might also be worth speaking to the school just to check nothing is going on there.

TreeLawney · 28/11/2021 07:17

The last couple of years have been so disrupted for all of us, and anxiety inducing (everything we thought was certain disappeared in an instant) so it is worth bearing that in mind. Coupled with what sounds like a very difficult year personally for you, it sounds like your ds potentially has a lot to (feel he needs to) worry about.

Personally I would talk to school first. See if they can offer him any ELSA support. There are also books you could look at together - ‘Starving the anxiety gremlin’ might be a good place to start.

As a teacher, I’ve noticed a really interesting change in children’s language over the last few years. You never used to hear children saying they wanted to die or they wished they hadn’t been born, whereas now it is really quite common. My own ds uses it at times as a shorthand for ‘I’m not happy about x’. As a parent it feels very alarming - and I’m not saying dismiss it altogether - but having noticed so many children using it that I think some of it is just a change in language or a way to express dissatisfaction. I suspect it has come from some of those YouTubers!

I’d also think about how you can ensure lots and lots of quality time, fresh air, exercise, 1:1 time with one or other parent where your ds gets to set the agenda - love bombing type stuff. The less screen time many dc have, the happier they are (and YouTube in particular seems to have a very specific impact - as parents we’ve always had to limit it quite strictly because it just makes our dc horrible!).

Good luck. It is so difficult when one of your dc is unhappy.

chuffoff · 28/11/2021 08:17

Another one to echo accessing ELSA support via school. It worked wonders on both DC's at various ages and with differing worries. Good luck to you both

Sheeeeeesh · 28/11/2021 09:04

I really appreciate all your replies. My husband doesn't seem to be as worried about this as I am. He does the school runs and takes him to his extra curricular activities and says he sees him happy all the time then. When he's running into school and out again at the end of the day, and when he goes to his hobbies. He loves sports and physical activities.

I did wonder if it could be hormonal but thought that was too young! I have been plagued with mental health issues from early teens, it's only in the past year that I was diagnosed as ND and have been misdiagnosed my whole life with anxiety and depression. I am so concerned he will have a lifetime of the pain I had. Incidentally my mental health has improved dramatically since discovering what was "wrong" with me. There is a chance he has the same neurological condition as me.

I will contact the school and doctor tomorrow. I deleted youtube from everywhere last night as I think that could be a big part of it. I have thought about lovebombing also, he comes to me for cuddles often and I hug both my kids a lot but I also think he needs more 1 on 1 time from me. His younger brother takes up a lot of my time as he's very demanding! I need to be more conscious of that with my eldest.

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HerRoyalHappiness · 28/11/2021 09:09

and Puberty: Everything You Need to Know | Parents" [[https://www.parents.com/kids/development/adrenarche-and-puberty-everything-you-need-to-know/ link about hormones before puberty]]
It's really quite common.

HerRoyalHappiness · 28/11/2021 09:10

There we go. God that was a faff Grin

nannybeach · 28/11/2021 09:14

Had 4DKs,3 of them went to primary school till 8,then middle school till 11. They all loved the schools same friends, siblings there,mostly bang next door to the primary. They changed overnight. Cheeky, swearing, not wanting to help wash up etc. I felt it was the behaviour of the older kids they then mixed with

Gliderx · 28/11/2021 09:19

I would definitely be worried about bullying given what you've described. He may be holding it together at school and his emotions all come out at home.

AlexaIWillNeverSayDucking · 28/11/2021 09:22

YouTube and video games are very lonely activities at 8. My DS is still happier when we're painting together, doing Lego together, watching a film with his sister etc.

It's been a very isolating year, he seems in a rut. I'd smother him a bit in joint activities and minimise youtube/games.

vivainsomnia · 28/11/2021 09:26

You say he gets very good reports. Could it be that he is very clever and bored at school? This was the case with my DS. He found school work easy but also didn't care for any of the subjects.

Sheeeeeesh · 28/11/2021 09:35

Re school and being bored. That has crossed my mind tbh. He constantly complains about how boring school is and has for a long time. He loves learning and asks his Dad to write him maths questions at bedtime for him to take up with him and reads a lot.

Thanks for the link @HerRoyalHappiness Grin

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ittakes2 · 28/11/2021 09:41

Him wising he had not been born could be his way of saying he is feeling overwhelmed. I would speak to your GP and if you have the funds try private therapy.
My daughter is bright (passed her 11 plus) and did very well in school but we discovered as a teen she had ADD (inattentive ADHD). And then we realised I had it too. Its not about intelligence - its about being able to juggle different things in the executive function part of your brain.
I think as well its worth speaking to the school because maybe he is struggling with bullying. Lots of boys are hormonal at this age and the hormone surge can make them feel like king of the castle and want to bully others.

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