To wonder why we’re still obsessed with Covid.

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Three times as many people are dying of cancer every single day. More than ten times as many people are dying every day of other causes. But we aren’t getting daily updates about these on every news bulletin or website. Yes, people should get vaccinated, yes occasionally people are still getting very ill with it, and some are dying. But it is very far from being the great danger that it was 12-18 months ago. Can we just move on from the endless focus on it now?

YABU

Whilst you are right about cancer etc etc covid affects far more people than just the person who has it. Others have to isolate, schools are sending kids home again, new variants are being found,

You don’t catch cancer from someone else like you can catch covid,

As to those that say we now need to live with it, we are, but there are still far to many unvaccinated, who continue to catch it and need treatment, as well as those who are vaccinated ams need treatment

YANBU and I find it so fucking annoying when every misc ailment is always addressed as “IT COULD BE COVID”. Even things that logically aren’t but there’s a 1% chance so even with a negative LF people demand you haul yourself to the bloody PCR centre blah blah blah. It’s tiresome and inconvenient snd usually highly illogical and hysterical.

ITU beds are rapidly filling up again in the UK. Covid has not gone away yet. This is not the time to start becoming complacent.

The main problem is persuading 5 million people to have the vaccine.
I know loads of anti vaxxers ; they won't listen and think we are all mad to have it.
I know it's their right and free will , but it's not helping matters really.

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

YANBU and I find it so fucking annoying when every misc ailment is always addressed as “IT COULD BE COVID”. Even things that logically aren’t but there’s a 1% chance so even with a negative LF people demand you haul yourself to the bloody PCR centre blah blah blah. It’s tiresome and inconvenient snd usually highly illogical and hysterical.

I’ve only seen covid suggested for things that could be covid symptoms but aren’t on the official list, like headaches and sore throats. What were you thinking of?

I am in Ireland and apparently we are going to have a full on lockdown here again, primary schools all in masks and we have just come out of a very strict lockdown...
So many people here seem totally fine about it .. we are hoping to emigrate again.

Unless you don’t want to treat patients with covid and you don’t want to segregate covid positive from covid negative patients (to prevent sick people from contracting corona and getting sicker), then you must see that covid affects the whole health system. It is linked to the number of cases and severe cases in the country as a whole.

So people going for operations, cancer treatment, other infections - all would on average have a worse prognosis if co-infected with corona.

@rrhuth feel better for that?
Poundshop Katie Hopkins made me laugh
Seriously though, the nhs overwhelm now is being fuelled by the voluntarily unvaccinated, is it not?

@PurpleDaisies

Stomach upset, conjunctivitis, tonsillitis, ear infections. It’s absurd

You can’t treat cancer patients if hospitals fill up with covid patients.
People undergoing chemotherapy are at great risk of dying if they contract covid.

I agree.
You can’t pretend to care about people with cancer and then say you want to ‘move on’ knowing that people with cancer will be the worst affected.

Life isn’t back to normal normal, but you can do the majority of things you could do before Covid so I don’t mind keeping things the way they are if it means protecting people with serious illness like cancer.

ITU beds are rapidly filling up again in the UK

i don't think that's justified to say. Most the critical care beds aren't filled with patients there because of covid. But if the system only normally operates with 5-7% spare capacity, then 4-5% extra patients (the covid ones) is a huge problem.

Because we're still in a global pandemic that is affecting travel, jobs, schools, healthcare, the economy.... it's not rocket science!

Much as everyone is tired of it and fed up with it, it hasn't gone away. There are still people dying from it - a work colleague lost his father to it just this week.
Of course all the other things are important but I don't think they have the same cumulative effect that covid has - they are not highly contagious illnesses that are capable of paralysing large sections of the workforce at the same time. If one teacher at a school is sadly affected by with cancer - there isn't a higher chance that the pupils or other staff will get it. It is just as much a tragedy for that person and their family but they aren't going to have the same knock on effect.

YABU to post this here.

@MrsBerthaRochester

Yanbu. The simple fact is that most of the folk who have died with covid(and I use with deliberately) have been elderly. For the vast majority its a minor illness. The narrative that all nhs beds are being taken up by non vaccinated is nonsense. Time to live with it.

And any of that is Ok is it? In your world? That we get on with our lives because it's only the elderly who die? Your views would be disgusting enough if the facts behind them were true. The elderly were left to die by a cruel and fuckwitted government and I hope Boris Johnson never has a decent night's sleep again as long as he lives. Unfortunately, you're forgetting the 14 year old with leukemia, thus CEV and would be hugely at risk if they caught Covid...or the terminally ill young mother with cancer. Still, eh. They're probably collateral damage for people who think like you.

@MrsBerthaRochester

People die. Its inevitable. If you are in a care home then chances are you were there nearing end of life. I dont think its callous to say we have to look at the benfits of keeping an elderly person alive a few more months compared to the long term devastating effects on young peoples education and mental health. New mutant strains appearing. How many vaccines are going to be needed? Its quite clear we have over estimated the efficacy of it by this point. Pandemics are mother natures own population control.

Have you always hated the elderly or is it a recent thing?

@FindingMeno

I think so many people had had enough now. Stop treating voluntarily unvaccinated people in hospital, and give the people who have no choice in their health condition a chance.

@FindingMeno

It's frustrating that resources are used for illnesses which could have been avoided, but many illnesses / injuries are caused by poor lifestyle choices, careless driving, avoidable accidents etc

[quote FindingMeno]@rrhuth feel better for that?
Poundshop Katie Hopkins made me laugh
Seriously though, the nhs overwhelm now is being fuelled by the voluntarily unvaccinated, is it not?[/quote]
Seriously though, the nhs overwhelm now is being fuelled by the voluntarily unvaccinated, is it not?

Well yes, but you can't refuse treatment.

If you want to live in a civilised country, you have to be civilised.

Covid is just another flu now and most people need to accept it and adjust to the new way of living.

I now refuse to let it rule our lives, at the beginning it was terrifying, scary and unknown, however we’ve come a long way since then and we’ve adjusted our lives to our new normal (clinically vulnerable child and adult in my home).

However it seems in our area figures are dramatically increasing.

[quote Justheretoaskaquestion91]@PurpleDaisies

Stomach upset, conjunctivitis, tonsillitis, ear infections. It’s absurd[/quote]
To be fair, an upset stomach and eye symptoms have been linked with covid by reliable sources.

www.england.nhs.uk/south/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/09/2A-Info_sheetI_Symptoms_COVID19_v1.0-1.pdf

Isn’t it the opposite? Normality has returned to most places that I go to, and deaths/cases are underplayed.

@rrhuth and @notanothertakeaway you are both right, of course, sensibly, but it infuriates me.

How long do you have to wait for an ambulance in your area? You might find covid hasn't gone away and is still having a hugely negative impact.

I dont hate the elderly in reply to a rather hysterical post. Neither do I subscribe to the sentimental every death is a tragedy.l narrative. And the facts are very few young people and a tiny(relative) number of healthy children have died.
Covid is going to continue to mutate until it is no longer potent or it will die out due to herd immunity. Basic science. Time to accept this.

I don't think it's always a case of not understanding, for some of us it just isn't a huge deal anymore. My kids haven't missed school or college since before the summer and we only know 3 or 4 people that have tested positive in as many months. It just isn't on my radar anymore (except when I went to the doctors and had to wear a mask) as everything is back to normal for us.