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Brother in law shooting grey squirrels

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NettleMania · 23/11/2021 22:05

Is this an okay thing to do? AIBU to have a go if it's in his own garden?

I'm a bit conflicted as I have a live and let live attitude towards animals, but BIL swears it's not illegal to shoot them, that they're vermin and have chased off all our native red squirrels and that they're eating all the food he puts out for the birds.

He has tried other ways to get rid of them, but they are determined. My DS just shrugs and carries on with her knitting!

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TabithaTumbler · 23/11/2021 22:22

@Polmuggle

Do people who thing this is disgusting also think trapping and poisoning rats/mice is disgusting?

Pretty much, yes.

clatterclatter · 23/11/2021 22:25

JFC just leave living creatures alone. They’re not doing any harm to your BIL. He’s not ‘helping reds’, he’s getting off on killing animals. He should get a squirrel proof bird feeder if he’s that arsed. But no, obviously the first reaction is to kill it.

AssassinatedBeauty · 23/11/2021 22:26

It's legal but pretty grim and I wouldn't want to be around anyone who thought this was a reasonable thing to do. It's entirely possible he isn't able to kill them outright and is leaving them injured to suffer before they die as well.

The red squirrel justification is nonsense. The numbers he can kill in his own garden will make zero difference.

"Vermin" is a human classification not an intrinsic quality of an animal. Grey squirrels are simply irritating your BIL rather than causing a health hazard like rats or mice do.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 23/11/2021 22:26

@Polmuggle

Do people who thing this is disgusting also think trapping and poisoning rats/mice is disgusting?
Yeah I do. Trap and release.
BeaucoupFish · 23/11/2021 22:26

That’s awful why is he doing that ? What reason ? And it is illegal to discharge a firearm unless you have a licence or a reason to this has pissed me off so much

SnugKnights · 23/11/2021 22:28

@MsWalterMitty

I live in the Lakes and thanks to people like your bil we have seen a huge increase in Red Squirrels over recent years
Exactly. There’s some real progress being made at last! It’s a lot kinder than poisoning them like we do to rats who are also vermin.
HundredMilesAnHour · 23/11/2021 22:30

Lots of incorrect information about grey squirrels on this thread.

This is written by a well-regarded UK expert:

www.urbansquirrels.co.uk/have-grey-squirrels-replaced-the-native-red/

For those who choose not to read the article I'm linking to, these are a couple of key points:

Red squirrels are not a rare or endangered species, their conservation status is “least concern”. They are abundant in the rest of the world, wherever the habitat – extensive pine forests or an equivalent in wildlife corridors – is available to them.

The specifically British sub-species of the red squirrel, siurus vulgaris leucurus, is, unfortunately, extinct. This happened before grey squirrels were introduced! So the idea that once we had a lot of red squirrels, and then greys were brought in and fought them, and killed them, and drove them out, is undeniably false.

Red squirrels were then themselves reintroduced from continental Europe, so that red squirrels living in this country today are not, properly speaking, native to this country, but to Scandinavia.

In practice the vast majority of the reds do not get the pox from the greys, but from fellow reds.

In areas where the habitat is still right for red squirrels, they do coexist with the greys, they have even been known to share the dreys.

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BeaucoupFish · 23/11/2021 22:31

@HundredMilesAnHour
Thanks
I’m so angry right now

Slippy78 · 23/11/2021 22:31

And it is illegal to discharge a firearm unless you have a licence or a reason to
That's simply not true. And even if it was then killing vermin is a valid reason.

PlanDeRaccordement · 23/11/2021 22:32

The red squirrel justification is nonsense.

Why is it nonsense? Are they not a cute enough endangered species for you? How do you think scientists bring species back from brink of extinction? They have to create nature preserves and eliminate whatever is killing that species off. And in the case of squirrels, it’s not like it’s a choice between greys or reds. It’s limit the greys to all of mainland Europe and let the British Islands be a small preserve for the reds.

Kikkomam · 23/11/2021 22:32

@livelyredjellybean

No it’s not illegal to shoot grey squirrels.
This.
Kikkomam · 23/11/2021 22:33

@Slippy78

And it is illegal to discharge a firearm unless you have a licence or a reason to That's simply not true. And even if it was then killing vermin is a valid reason.
Another one to say this is not true and killing vermin totally valid.
BeaucoupFish · 23/11/2021 22:33

@NettleMania
He’s a nasty bastard
Sympathies you are related to such a vision less nasty lowlife

SnugKnights · 23/11/2021 22:33

@clatterclatter

JFC just leave living creatures alone. They’re not doing any harm to your BIL. He’s not ‘helping reds’, he’s getting off on killing animals. He should get a squirrel proof bird feeder if he’s that arsed. But no, obviously the first reaction is to kill it.
What makes you think he isn’t helping reds? That’s exactly what he’s doing. That’s why it’s legal to control the greys by killing them.
Slippy78 · 23/11/2021 22:34

Fuck off
Have you actually made a a stew with their wiry little muscly legs ?
Yes, plenty of times. I usually combine them with the pigeons I shoot on my land as well.
What's the problem?

SnugKnights · 23/11/2021 22:35

@AssassinatedBeauty

It's legal but pretty grim and I wouldn't want to be around anyone who thought this was a reasonable thing to do. It's entirely possible he isn't able to kill them outright and is leaving them injured to suffer before they die as well.

The red squirrel justification is nonsense. The numbers he can kill in his own garden will make zero difference.

"Vermin" is a human classification not an intrinsic quality of an animal. Grey squirrels are simply irritating your BIL rather than causing a health hazard like rats or mice do.

But there are loads of people in the lakes and other areas doing the same and it is definitely helping the numbers of reds to increase.
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HundredMilesAnHour · 23/11/2021 22:35

@PlanDeRaccordement

The red squirrel justification is nonsense.

Why is it nonsense? Are they not a cute enough endangered species for you? How do you think scientists bring species back from brink of extinction? They have to create nature preserves and eliminate whatever is killing that species off. And in the case of squirrels, it’s not like it’s a choice between greys or reds. It’s limit the greys to all of mainland Europe and let the British Islands be a small preserve for the reds.

They're not endangered. And the British sub-species of red squirrels were extinct BEFORE grey squirrels were introduced to the UK. The red squirrels living in the UK are no more 'native' than the grey squirrels here.

There are plenty of red squirrels living in Europe.

Check your facts instead of posting nonsense.

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ihatebeinganadult · 23/11/2021 22:40

I ate bambi, does that make me a massive cunt

TupTupGimmer · 23/11/2021 22:41

It's not just about red squirrels. All squirrels (red and grey) eat birds eggs, chicks and even adult birds if the opportunity presents. They also compete with wild birds for food.

They also damage trees and can cause damage to peoples houses if they get into the rafters.

I live in an area with reds though so round here it's considered a public duty to report any grey sightings so the appropriate people can be sent to dispatch them.