To ask if such a thing exists?

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I am looking for social media links to send to a delightful but incredibly stubborn, naive and immature late 20 year old who has hoovered up every bit of Internet rubbish about vaccinations and is refusing to get jabbed. Her whole family, all her housemates and most of her work colleagues are double jabbed. Reasoning, facts and science just aren't cutting it. Asking for a friend (I wish 😂).

I mean, why bother? Let her be. She will miss out on family and College life. As soon as she wants to go on holiday she'll be first I'm the queue I promise

Yabu. But only because in my experience with people like this you’re wasting your time and you can’t argue with an idiot 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ultimately the person needs to make their own decisions but I do know of a few people who decided against getting the vaccine and have not lived to regret their decision and it’s so hard for their families to cope with. I feel for you trying to help! Good luck!

Totally none of your business and you'll just come across as a know it all at best, bully at worst. Leave it, if they don't want to get vaccinated that is their choice and whether you agree or not is completely irrelevant

And I say that as a fully vaccinated person BTW. I feel your frustration but that's what it is, YOUR frustration and sadly none of your business.

(Presumably healthy) 20 year old doesn’t want a vaccine against an illness that is of extremely low risk to her…

Get over yourself OP.

It's my daughter. She is having to isolate for the second time due very reasonable work place policies. I worry she'll get the sack eventually. She isn't thick but I do think me and her both are on the spectrum but great at covering. She spends way too much time alone and on the Internet. I just wish there was counter-propaganda aimed at folk like her.

My niece (50 year old smoker)does not want the vaccination for no really good reason despite seeing her husband be really ill with Covid. Her dad wants to take us on a little trip abroad to where they used to live . She won’t be able to travel with us so now seems to accept she will have to get it done.

Combatting ignorance and conspiracy guff via social media links is like trying to extinguish a fire by pouring kerosene on it.

What you have there is someone sho hasn't received a basic education in how to distinguish fact from fiction and what science actually is.

You can't fix people. If she's reached the ago of 20 without anyone bothering to teach her this stuff I doubt she will learn it now.

However, if you are determined to change her mind then stop talking about vaccines at all. Focus on educating her in matters of the philosphy of knowledge - how do we know whether something is a fact? How does science work? Are there some things that are unknowable and therefore a matter of faith, and other things that are demonstrably right or wrong. This is sruff that should be on every school syllabus bit where it isn't it's up to friends and family to provide this vital aapect of education.

Oh dear. You could be describing my daughter. The only thing that’s has changed her mind is getting Covid and the inconvenience of having to isolate when those who have been fully vaccinated don’t have to. It hasn’t changed her partner’s mind, but she has had her first vaccine.

Another example I fear of adults you are related to making their own minds up. Covid, relationships, pregnancies……

You can't shift entrenched views by showing someone facts. It only further entrenches the false ideas further, it's called "belief preservance". She will have to get there in her own time. If she loses her job then that might make her rethink.

Following (also for a friend ). 18yo here with CEV grandma who's facing life-changing lung surgery imminently, and who's bff's dad just died from covid. Must get it from his dad...

I was just hoping that with so much utter rubbish out there, some clever marketing / social media bod might have produced counter rubbish aimed at the same target market. Sadly she has an A level in a science subject and a degree in education (she is late 20s, not 20).

I feel for you OP. My Dnep was very similar. He is ASD and absolutely bought into the big pharma. Insistent that it was all about money for the big companies and we were all being duped.

The first thing that helped is frankly nokne fought him head to head. Everyone on the family communicated that he had every right to his opinion and choice. That surprised him as many of us are in Social Care and health care and all are fully vaccinated with three of us with boosters.

We all meant it thought, ultimately he has bodily autonomy. We did shut down any of the silly comments that we were being duped and insisted on showing us the same respect. There were several times where we were very direct that using derogatory comments about the fact we chose to be vaccinated were unacceptable. Wierdly this all helped as it wasn't an argument. He couldn't get a rise out of anyone.

Honestly it was pure circumstance in the end. DF became very very ill, life threateningly so. Still is and is on an admittedly long end of life pathway. As such my nephew simply couldn't have contact with Df if he remained unvaccinated. Even he recognised the risk was too great. He was never told to be vaccinated he was simply told the acces to Df wasn't safe.

He then chose to get vaccinated. Even a minimal reduction in transmission matters with DF. And ultimately it was DF own choice to protect what time he had left.

So it came down to something he wanted more than his beliefs about the vaccination.

Interestingly recently someone was wittering at him about how the vaccine didn't prevent transmission and he shut them down from a massive height that if DF felt uncomfortable then he had every right to reduce contact with the unvaccinated. He also pointed out that he still believes it should be a choice but no choice comes without consequences. He is more stringent than is now that people shouldn't expect to be unvaccinated and not experience natural consequences.

He's come full circle but he had to get there himself , no amount of pushing from us would have achieved that as frustrating as it is.

Thank you so much @Nietzschethehiker for really useful practical advice. You have made me rethink my approach.

@Nietzschethehiker I used the approach you did with your nephew, acknowledged her right to bodily autonomy and backed right off trying to persuade her, and she's finally had it! Her second is booked in already for January. I'm so relieved. Thanks everyone for the advice.