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Exh and gambling.

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wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 13:50

I've NC for this as I've had other threads going...

I left exh 3 weeks ago.

I've started counselling and been completely honest with how things were and how I felt. My counsellor has said he sounds like a narcissist and has cohercive controlled me. I have no idea how he's done it.

He is also a gambling addict.

Before I met him (7 years ago) he was massively in debt due to gambling. He used to get his wage, go to a bookies and gamble it. He owed money left right and centre....what a catch I know Confused however when I found out about all this, I was already sucked in and head over heals. I took a loan out for him to pay off his debt and he paid off.

The first year, he still gambled a lot. He would admit when he did it or I would find out myself. Either way I realised he had a problem but he promised he would stop. I was so naive, I didn't realise how serious it was.

Then he stopped for a good couple of years, everything was good in the time. He still has football bets but nothing too extreme. I loved him every much even though he made me feel very uneasy.

The last year or so, his gambling has become increasingly worse. Now we are talking a minimum of £20 a day. Plus scratch cards. Plus the lottery. Plus raffles. Sometimes he would have £40/£50 in a day. Earlier in the year, he bought a full pack of scratch cards costing hundreds.

For the past 4 months, maybe more, he has promised he will stop gambling. Sometimes every morning. He deletes the apps off this phone before he goes to work, made me look him the eye and promised he would stop. Then the minute he got home from work, he would say 'I'm just going to have a quick £20. That will be my last one' he would say it in a jokey way yet my heart would break. The promise he made earlier that day was broken yet again. Sometimes he would last 2/3 days with nothing but never more than that. He would always start again.

However he never saw the problem. He wasn't gambling everything. We had a joint account and I knew what he was spending. We still had more than enough money to live comfortably. I could even save money here and there....but we were trying to save to buy our house and we weren't saving anywhere near enough to do that.

This is just one of many reasons why I left.

During one of our many many talks, I asked him about why can't stop gambling. He's adamant he doesn't have a problem and said he could stop if he wanted too. Something he would say every single day when I was there but could never do it.

I told him it must be either 1 of 2 things: he either loves gambling more than me or he has a problem.

He replied in a very defensive manor 'aren't I allowed to have just a bit of fun?'

That was the answer I got. In all fairness he doesn't drink, he doesn't go out. He just gambles. I used to suggest spending the money something more productive like a hobby, playing football, going to the gym but he had no interest.

Everytime I talked about him stopping he either said he was going too or he works hard and doesn't spend money on anything else. Also he didn't have a problem as he didn't gamble the way he used too and we still lived comfortably.

He spends about £8000 i think on gamblng. Annoyingly, he looked at his accounts and his actual winnings are around the £8000 mark. He had a big win recently which made up the amount.

Aibu in any of this? I'm just trying to process all the different parts of my marriage.

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Frannyhy · 18/11/2021 13:53

Ask him for his phone - go on the apps and exclude him.

wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 13:55

@Frannyhy

Ask him for his phone - go on the apps and exclude him.
I've left him. I don't want or need to do that. I've been living elsewhere for the last 3 weeks and have no plans to go back to him.

I just need to know I'm not going crazy in the way he's treated me.

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WindyWindsor · 18/11/2021 14:01

No YANBU. Sounds absolutely draining. I can see why you left. Don't start doubting yourself you know in yourself you left for a good reason. It's not your job to fix him.

wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:02

That should of said 8K a year he has spent

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loveablequalities · 18/11/2021 14:04

I listened to a program on Radio 4 recently about a man who stole over a million euro from his work to fund his gambling addiction. It was called Life Changing. Definitely go and have a listen. Your ex husband isn't going to stop and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Addictions aren't a choice. He can't stop until he gets professional help. You leaving him and cutting all contact is the absolute best thing you can do for him. Protect as much of the shared money/assets as you possibly can because he's going to gamble everything away. Everything. He's ill and he won't stop in spite of what he promises.

Take care, Op.

redastherose · 18/11/2021 14:05

You are not crazy, he is addicted whatever he choses to believe. Unfortunately, the only one who can change an addict is the addict themselves and they have to admit they are addicted.

In one way you are fortunate in that you haven't been left massively in debt due to his addiction but that could easily happen.

Leaving him is really the only thing you could do and it will be for the best in the long run, especially if he is narcissistic and controlling.

You will be ok and life will be better. It just takes time.

wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:05

@WindyWindsor

No YANBU. Sounds absolutely draining. I can see why you left. Don't start doubting yourself you know in yourself you left for a good reason. It's not your job to fix him.
Draining is the exact word as used to my counsellor. He has drained every single ounce of me
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wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:08

@loveablequalities

I listened to a program on Radio 4 recently about a man who stole over a million euro from his work to fund his gambling addiction. It was called Life Changing. Definitely go and have a listen. Your ex husband isn't going to stop and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Addictions aren't a choice. He can't stop until he gets professional help. You leaving him and cutting all contact is the absolute best thing you can do for him. Protect as much of the shared money/assets as you possibly can because he's going to gamble everything away. Everything. He's ill and he won't stop in spite of what he promises.

Take care, Op.

He just doesn't see it. And I think it's genuine because he isn't in the place he once was and he's proud of that. However he also can't stop.

He has promised me he will stop completely if I come back. He will be a different husband with all the other issues too. But it's all just words unfortunately.

There are dcs involved in this and I wont go back knowing he wont change. He refuses to speak to a gp for stress. Refuses to seek help for his traumatic childhood and refuses to admit he has a problem gambling.....but he will change if I come back.

It wont happen this time, thank you for your reply.

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wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:10

@redastherose

You are not crazy, he is addicted whatever he choses to believe. Unfortunately, the only one who can change an addict is the addict themselves and they have to admit they are addicted.

In one way you are fortunate in that you haven't been left massively in debt due to his addiction but that could easily happen.

Leaving him is really the only thing you could do and it will be for the best in the long run, especially if he is narcissistic and controlling.

You will be ok and life will be better. It just takes time.

Thank you. I just find myself up and down. One day I'm relieved and so proud of myself for leaving. Then I have to speak to him for one reason or another and he wears me down again.

He's promised me the world but nothing he is saying is making me want to come back so I know I am done.

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IJoinedJustForThisThread · 18/11/2021 14:16

You’ve done the hard bit by leaving. Don’t let him make you feel sorry for him and do not believe any promises of “I’ll stop if you come back”. He’s promised you before that he would stop, but hasn’t so it’s highly unlikely he will stop this time. If he’s gambling £8k a year, that is a serious gambling habit even if he says it’s not as bad as before. And £8k a year is definitely more than could be classed as “having a bit of fun”.

wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:22

@IJoinedJustForThisThread

You’ve done the hard bit by leaving. Don’t let him make you feel sorry for him and do not believe any promises of “I’ll stop if you come back”. He’s promised you before that he would stop, but hasn’t so it’s highly unlikely he will stop this time. If he’s gambling £8k a year, that is a serious gambling habit even if he says it’s not as bad as before. And £8k a year is definitely more than could be classed as “having a bit of fun”.
8K a year is what we needed to save for our mortgage. Which I am truly thankful hasn't happened.

Thank you x

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wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:24

My mental health over the weeks before I left him had seriously deteriorated and I opened up to him. I felt sick at the thought of it but I had hope that he might cuddle and comfort me. Instead he said I had annoyed him, I wasn't the right person for him to talk too and he couldn't be arsed with it.

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loveablequalities · 18/11/2021 14:48

I think maybe get in touch with a gambling addiction support group. You need help too. There's a lot of things you need to work through.

wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 14:54

@loveablequalities

I think maybe get in touch with a gambling addiction support group. You need help too. There's a lot of things you need to work through.
I am having counselling and I'm on some new medication but that's not a bad idea thanks.

He has manipulated and controlled my way of thinking for 6 years, it's like everything is a blur.

If my daughter, sister, best mate were telling me my own story I would probably be disgusted. But when it's your story, it's hard to see the actual truth.

I know I will get there x

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romdowa · 18/11/2021 15:32

You should be so proud of yourself for recognising how damaging his behaviour was and walking away from it. He is an addict and going forward if he tells you the sky is blue , don't believe it. He will say anything to get you to come back and run his house and mind his kids while he blows his money on gambling. Stay firm in your boundaries , not every communication requires an immediate response and only respond to things to do with the children. Ignore any emotional messages or promises. You are doing so well , just keep imagining the future yourself and your children will have being free of his issues.

wishyfriend · 18/11/2021 16:07

@romdowa

You should be so proud of yourself for recognising how damaging his behaviour was and walking away from it. He is an addict and going forward if he tells you the sky is blue , don't believe it. He will say anything to get you to come back and run his house and mind his kids while he blows his money on gambling. Stay firm in your boundaries , not every communication requires an immediate response and only respond to things to do with the children. Ignore any emotional messages or promises. You are doing so well , just keep imagining the future yourself and your children will have being free of his issues.
Thank you I am. I know I've done the right thing but I feel sick at the same time x
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KellyJonesLeatherTrousers · 19/11/2021 07:22

Continuous broken promises, risking family money - not to mention you say that there are ‘many other reasons’ why you left. You absolutely don’t need justification from a bunch of strangers that there are ‘enough’ reasons why you left but just to say a huge congratulations to you for doing it. Do NOT return.

Lyndyloo17 · 20/11/2021 13:50

DO NOT GO BACK. I stopped counting my husbands gambling debt when it got past £50000. He died recently andI am still trying to sort StuffIt. Get on with your life. X

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