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To think learning how to behave around dogs should be part of the national curriculum

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Itsadogsworld · 15/11/2021 21:58

I think schools should teach children how to behave around dogs, canine body language and so on. I think it would significantly reduce the number of children that end up in A&E each year due to dogs bites. I’ve seen some dreadful behaviour in my local park where children will run up to my dog and one child was continually trying to bear hug her own dog. Children clearly aren’t being taught this at home so I think they should include it in schools. I welcome your thoughts on this.

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rrhuth · 16/11/2021 20:20

There are 12.5 million dogs in the UK

I never understand pets fullstop, we had them when I was young, including dogs, but it is just horrible for them really.

Being an owned dog is a pretty unnatural life, I think if people did really care about dogs they would not want to keep them captive.

Draineddraineddrained · 16/11/2021 20:21

@XenoBitch

Your relentless attempts to equate the potential danger of even the best of dogs (as you yourself say, they have their breaking point) and your personal dislike of children is damn stupid and makes you look like an extremist and a misanthrope. No matter how shitty a little kid is, their ability to inflict actual bodily harm is small to none. Whereas even a small dog will be able to deliver a very nasty bite of so inclined, which has every likelihood of getting infected given how grossly unhygienic dogs are. We are comparing apples with oranges here. It reminds me of the Greer quote about "men are scared women will laugh at them; women are scared men will kill them".

We get it, you hate kids (v edgy pov on a parenting forum, aren't you cool). But kids are not dangerous animals. Even if they provoke your dog into becoming dangerous, which is shitty behaviour, they dangerous one is still your dog. A dog that bites is by definition dangerous, regardless of why it may have bitten. Because a dog's bite is dangerous. Whereas however much your dog might not li being enthusiastically petted by a random 3yo, it is hardly "in danger" - from anything except it's own uncontrolled instincts.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 20:22

@rrhuth

There are 12.5 million dogs in the UK

I never understand pets fullstop, we had them when I was young, including dogs, but it is just horrible for them really.

Being an owned dog is a pretty unnatural life, I think if people did really care about dogs they would not want to keep them captive.

I've just let mine out of the front door and waved him off for a life of freedom
XenoBitch · 16/11/2021 20:24

[quote Draineddraineddrained]@XenoBitch

Your relentless attempts to equate the potential danger of even the best of dogs (as you yourself say, they have their breaking point) and your personal dislike of children is damn stupid and makes you look like an extremist and a misanthrope. No matter how shitty a little kid is, their ability to inflict actual bodily harm is small to none. Whereas even a small dog will be able to deliver a very nasty bite of so inclined, which has every likelihood of getting infected given how grossly unhygienic dogs are. We are comparing apples with oranges here. It reminds me of the Greer quote about "men are scared women will laugh at them; women are scared men will kill them".

We get it, you hate kids (v edgy pov on a parenting forum, aren't you cool). But kids are not dangerous animals. Even if they provoke your dog into becoming dangerous, which is shitty behaviour, they dangerous one is still your dog. A dog that bites is by definition dangerous, regardless of why it may have bitten. Because a dog's bite is dangerous. Whereas however much your dog might not li being enthusiastically petted by a random 3yo, it is hardly "in danger" - from anything except it's own uncontrolled instincts.[/quote]
Where did I say I "hate" kids? I said they should be controlled. And dogs should be too. I can not and will not excuse a dog that goes up to a child and attacks it, but at the same time, I will not excuse a parent that allows their child to go up to a dog and pull on it's tail, bear hug it, or in my case... try to kick it in the face.

rrhuth · 16/11/2021 20:25

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

Grin

I just think it is a weird thing to want to own something and stop it being itself.

The best thing that could happen is for the fashion for dogs to dwindle away really.

Katjolo · 16/11/2021 20:26

Hope this is a wind up!

XenoBitch · 16/11/2021 20:26

@rrhuth

There are 12.5 million dogs in the UK

I never understand pets fullstop, we had them when I was young, including dogs, but it is just horrible for them really.

Being an owned dog is a pretty unnatural life, I think if people did really care about dogs they would not want to keep them captive.

Pet dogs are not being kept captive. They have been domesticated for fuck knows how long, just like cats, chickens, all sorts of animals.

Maybe I should let my dog out and let her fend for herself.

lemonlimon · 16/11/2021 20:27

What would be nice is to have dogs only spaces and non dogs spaces now that there seem to be an epic number of irresponsible dog owners about.
In my old town there were miles of coastline. I always thought it could have been sectioned off partly for dogs instead of the rubbish attempts to mix dogs with people that don't like them. That sort of thing would be a better investment imo. Dog only parks and no dog parks as well would be nice. I am terrified of them and since covid can't seem to be able to walk anywhere without a dog running up to me.

luckylavender · 16/11/2021 20:28

God no. Schools are on their knees. And it may surprise people to know that not everyone loves digs.

luckylavender · 16/11/2021 20:29

dogs

XenoBitch · 16/11/2021 20:30

@luckylavender

God no. Schools are on their knees. And it may surprise people to know that not everyone loves digs.
I didn't like playing on train tracks, but we were told in school not to do that, along with nasty videos.
blacksax · 16/11/2021 20:34

Your username says it all OP.

In my local park I don't see kids running up to dogs, I see out-of-control dogs being a damned nuisance, and running up to other people and their children.

Perhaps there should be compulsory lessons for dog owners - keep your dog the fuck away from other people, especially children.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 20:36

[quote rrhuth]@AllThingsServeTheBeam

Grin

I just think it is a weird thing to want to own something and stop it being itself.

The best thing that could happen is for the fashion for dogs to dwindle away really.[/quote]
All my pets are rescues. So I like to think they are living better lives with me than what they had before. I would never support a breeder

rrhuth · 16/11/2021 20:38

@XenoBitch

The dog is captive, it is being kept for human gratification.

Of course you can't let one go Hmm but one can hope that in future there are fewer dogs living as pets.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 20:40

[quote rrhuth]@XenoBitch

The dog is captive, it is being kept for human gratification.

Of course you can't let one go Hmm but one can hope that in future there are fewer dogs living as pets.[/quote]
Honestly if I let my dog out the front door and shut it I can guarantee he would be lying in front of it when I opened it again 😅 We can't be that bad

XenoBitch · 16/11/2021 20:40

[quote rrhuth]@XenoBitch

The dog is captive, it is being kept for human gratification.

Of course you can't let one go Hmm but one can hope that in future there are fewer dogs living as pets.[/quote]
My dog is a rescue.. was going to be PTS. It is cheesy, but she rescued me too.

rrhuth · 16/11/2021 20:47

I understand that many dogs were rescue dogs, but they were bred for human gratification and have been kept for human gratification.

Dogs are not 'happy', they are just existing in the only option humans have given them.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 20:59

@rrhuth

I understand that many dogs were rescue dogs, but they were bred for human gratification and have been kept for human gratification.

Dogs are not 'happy', they are just existing in the only option humans have given them.

Content. I'd be happy being content and not stressed or worried
XenoBitch · 16/11/2021 21:02

@rrhuth

I understand that many dogs were rescue dogs, but they were bred for human gratification and have been kept for human gratification.

Dogs are not 'happy', they are just existing in the only option humans have given them.

My dog is one of the most exploited and abused dog breeds.. a greyhound. I would be happy with seeing less of them in rescue as it would mean less of them were being raced and abused.
XenoBitch · 16/11/2021 21:03

And she is happy... very happy. I know what a happy dog looks like and she is exactly that. She does not think back to her ancient wild ancestors and pine for a life of freedom. Dogs do not think like that. They live in the moment.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 16/11/2021 21:04

No. Absolutely not. Parents do have to take some responsibility, you know...

WalkingOnTheCracks · 16/11/2021 21:06

Why should no dogs be allowed off leads? If you think your child might run up to a dog then you should have it on reins. Same difference. Stop being ridiculous.

It's very different. Because children matter, and dogs don't matter much at all.

rrhuth · 16/11/2021 21:06

Dogs do not think like that. They live in the moment.

Precisely, they are not 'happy', that is just something their human owners project onto them.

Dogs just are, and they are bred and kept for the gratfication of humans.

Whatinthelord · 16/11/2021 21:06

@rrhuth

I understand that many dogs were rescue dogs, but they were bred for human gratification and have been kept for human gratification.

Dogs are not 'happy', they are just existing in the only option humans have given them.

I think this is true of most pets.
AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/11/2021 21:09

@rrhuth

Dogs do not think like that. They live in the moment.

Precisely, they are not 'happy', that is just something their human owners project onto them.

Dogs just are, and they are bred and kept for the gratfication of humans.

So they can't be unhappy either then by that logic. They just 'are'
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