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Is there an 'organised dad method'??

20 replies

HugeAckmansWife · 11/11/2021 06:53

Just wondering really. 15 pages and counting of pages on the 'deep cleaning' thread with women talking about how they do all the apparently non negotiable domestic cleaning for anything from 1-4 hours every day. Many seem to feel it's an absolute imperative and not many of them mention it being split 50/50 with a male partner. I wonder if an equivalent thread was on an equivalent predominantly men's site what the responses would be. If we could filter the responses on the MN one for only full time working women and compared, AIBU to think the answers would still be v v different? Not man bashing, but just a bit sad that it feels like it still seems to be an activity that is automatically of concern to women, regardless of if they are WOHM just as much as the man in the house.

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FortunesFave · 11/11/2021 08:17

I have little patience for women who shoulder it all. There's no need to. If your partner isn't shifting his weight, shift it for him....into another house.

Simple. Women need to set strong boundaries because we've been victims for so long that endemic sexism is still an ongoing battle.

Meet a man, check his standing on these issues. That's my advice. They'll soon catch up if they can't get a partner due to being lazy.

noworklifebalance · 11/11/2021 08:32

@FortunesFave

I wholeheartedly agree.

However, I don’t think a woman can really know what her partner will be like until they have children. Before children, it’s easy to keep on top of general house duties and it can feel like a partnership.
even if it all falls on the woman, it doesn’t take much time as it’s “only” one other adult and you would be doing your own laundry anyway, or making a meal for yourself so it’s seems like no extra effort to do it for him at the same time.

Usually the rot sets in during maternity leave when (typically) the woman will stay at home and be doing the majority of child and home-related things and then it continues when she returns to work either part time or full.

TreborBore · 11/11/2021 09:54

Agreed, post kids, my sharing right on politically correct H slipped into this - happy for me to do everything even though I was working too. I am far from house proud but have minimum standards that keep us healthy and well. So I stopped doing everything and told him I would match every bit of effort he put in. The house turned into a grimy grim mess. There were other problems but I think there is something wrong with someone who is happy to live in a shit pit and let their relationship deteriorate over it. He is now ex H.

HugeAckmansWife · 11/11/2021 12:46

Thanks. I do agree that the mat leave bit sets up new norms and when the mother goes back to work it takes a really concerted effort not to just carry on.

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Jabvribt · 11/11/2021 13:13

I think a big chunk of it is that many men don’t care if their house is completely clean or not. My DH has much lower standards than me BUT he knows it matters to me so he makes more of an effort than he did when he lived alone and I try to be a bit more relaxed about it (I lived with someone who had very high standards and it was stressful and I never want to make DH feel how I was made to feel). This was all much easier pre kids though and I have really pushed back on certain things and been quite firm in my boundaries

Toottooot · 11/11/2021 13:16

My husband is far more house proud than me. I do make an effort but not as much as him.

notanothertakeaway · 11/11/2021 13:16

Usually the rot sets in during maternity leave when (typically) the woman will stay at home and be doing the majority of child and home-related things and then it continues when she returns to work either part time or full

@noworklifebalance Sadly, I agree with this. I think shared parental leave could help to address that

LolaSmiles · 11/11/2021 13:17

I have little patience for women who shoulder it all. There's no need to. If your partner isn't shifting his weight, shift it for him....into another house.

Simple. Women need to set strong boundaries because we've been victims for so long that endemic sexism is still an ongoing battle.

Meet a man, check his standing on these issues. That's my advice. They'll soon catch up if they can't get a partner due to being lazy

100% agree.

I'd not want to be in a relationship with a man who was a cleaning obsessive because that's not me, but there's no way I'd be spending hours cleaning and picking pants up for a man.

Sadly there's lots of apologists who in one breath argue that their poor men don't see mess, aren't very good at chores, but then in another get annoyed at the suggestion that women have standards and basic expectations because that's apparently blaming women for men being useless.

FreeBritnee · 11/11/2021 13:20

Obviously there isn’t a consecutive thread on PistonHeads or similar. It’s down to priorities. Most women care about the cleanliness of a house. Most men would rather obsess about the tidiness of their hard drives or how optimum their V8 performs. There is no point pretending that both sexes think the same.

KatherineofGaunt · 11/11/2021 13:26

My DH is a SAHD. He definitely has different standards to me, so his responsibilities seem to be doing the washing, doing the bulk of looking after DS when he's not at nursery, putting the rubbish into the bins and putting the bins out, most of the cooking/packed lunch prep, dishwasher etc.

But if I didn't clean the bathroom or collect mugs from his bedside table or mop the floors he genuinely wouldn't be too bothered. Well, not for a while, anyway!

ImTheOnlyUpsyOne · 11/11/2021 13:30

YANBU even though i have the whole routine tapped up in the kihen and i am the only one who does it/feels bad when its not done. Both me and DH working full time with 2 DS. He will clean up after himself and will do chore IF I TELL HIM TO. Not of own initiative

Feelingofftoday · 11/11/2021 13:37

@FreeBritnee

Obviously there isn’t a consecutive thread on PistonHeads or similar. It’s down to priorities. Most women care about the cleanliness of a house. Most men would rather obsess about the tidiness of their hard drives or how optimum their V8 performs. There is no point pretending that both sexes think the same.
Difference is one is doing things solely for himself the other is serving everyone.

Patently unfair and totally down to nurture, not nature

LolaSmiles · 11/11/2021 13:41

There is no point pretending that both sexes think the same.
Only because one sex is taught from birth that the opposite sex is responsible for domestic duties.

There's nothing about being a man that means he has to be useless in the house, scruffy and lazy.

RunningAlong · 11/11/2021 13:51

If you look on Facebook there are quite a number of dad groups and its definitely noticeable how many men are on there complaining that they are responsible for childcare, all housework, cooking and they work full-time while their partners spend all day on phones.

Mulhollandmagoo · 11/11/2021 14:00

I absolutely HATE housework, luckily my husband doesn't mind it so he does the bulk of it! he's not a fan of driving so I do the bulk of that, and I work closer to home so do the childminder drop offs and pick ups so it evens itself out eventually. Everyone's household routines are different I guess but I do kind of agree with @FortunesFave in that some women take it all on and secretly seeth that their husbands do nothing instead of just communicating

LampLighter414 · 11/11/2021 14:05

It goes both ways, as PP have stated, plenty of mothers (both stay at home and working) who do no housework, cooking or cleaning

CokeZeroAddiction · 11/11/2021 14:06

My husband works full time running his own business and earns approximately 150k p.a.

As such I stay at home and clean, cook, do washing, look after the children. It is my job. And yes I spend a minimum of 1 hour per day cleaning, usually more.

I don’t feel bad about it, i don’t begrudge it. I am grateful this is my life.

HugeAckmansWife · 11/11/2021 18:52

I'm not really talking about SAHM, more those who work out of the home just as much as their spouse but still either do or direct all the cleaning. That ingrained expectation that it's their job, or will reflect on them if it's judged by a visitor to be not up to scratch.

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CokeZeroAddiction · 13/11/2021 14:25

I see. You’re not wrong. When I worked full time we did share chores but I still did more as I had a shorter commute and he worked away a lot. When I went part time (4 days) I somehow ended up doing all of it.

Preech · 13/11/2021 15:48

See, my DH gets praised to heaven by my female relatives and mom. He does the dishes. He does the laundry every day. He puts laundry away. He vacuums. He irons. He cooks tasty and nutritious meals. He tidies the kitchen. He declutters. He attempts DIY. He pulls weeds from the front garden. And he mows the lawn.

Between the two of us, I'm the slob. My ability to even see, acknowledge, and tackle a mess has improved dramatically over my relationship with him.

However, his neatness came at a price. He has overbearing critical parents who used to let themselves into his house unannounced and inspect it. He was in his 30s when they were doing this. If they saw something out of place or not done, they would criticise loudly. If they really weren't happy about the pace of a chore being handled, they would intervene (for example, taking the entire household's dirty laundry away to their house to wash and dry without asking if that's ok... because that's "helping"). So, my husband's habit of neatness doesn't come from a place of being an egalitarian modern man, as much as it does a place of anxiety. He is Gail Waters-Waters when we have company coming.

When I recognise a pile of dirty dishes, which may not be as quickly as DH would recognise them on a given day, but which are recognised nevertheless ... I just do them. They're dishes. If we want to eat, eventually they need to be cleaned. Such is life.

If DH gets to that pile of dishes first, there's a good chance he'll sigh and rage-clean them, because he's having to do them in the first place. That's not an unfairly put-upon modern man. That's a guy who wants the dishes to be done for him already, and is anxious about being judged by an invisible critic.

We're getting there. Besides me being more proactive with household stuff, which I knew long ago I needed to be, he's trying to let go of the need to have a show home. I think we are both happier, compared with where we were when met.

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