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Child to Parent abuse more common than people think

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PasstheBucket89 · 10/11/2021 08:55

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/08/children-young-four-reported-police-abusing-parents-figures/

Saw this trending last night and channel 5 did a report on it
as the parent of a child on the spectrum its something I follow as its my worst nightmare, the son to mother ratio is.... interesting Hmm which us why I'm glad it's recognised as a form of DA
I know kinship carers are more at risk of this issue
some people view that if the child has some kind of Neurological issue it should not be considered abuse, i do have skin in this game so im conflicted i can see both sides. it's disturbing how little support there is.
I have a child who displays PDA so yes, very anxiety driven controlling behaviour /challenging behaviour so far we've managed to nip more serious behaviours in the bud but not a teenager yet.

So do you think Child to Parent Abuse is more common than people realise?

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Wtfdoipick · 10/11/2021 09:53

There’s a very different power dynamic though? Being a parent and adult is different to being a child in these situations.

My child is 10, is the same height as me but stronger, I'm living in fear of her seriously injuring me, I can't protect myself the same as I could against an adult for fear of hurting her and I can not walk out. The different dynamic can make the situation much more dangerous.

Greenhand · 10/11/2021 09:55

I have a neurotypical (is that the right term?) son who has knocked me out and given me several decent beatings.
He's much bigger and stronger than me.
If this was a partner, there would be support to help me leave and be safe. Even if the police are involved and SS (which took begging) - I and the siblings cannot be protected.

Grimbelina · 10/11/2021 09:59

I think it should be labelled abuse, as that is how it is experienced by the victim. A lot more light needs to be shone on this area, and a great deal more resources put in place to support families who are suffering. Language is very important, if it is recognised and named as abuse, more help might follow (for the child concerned as well as everyone else).

FriedasCarLoad · 10/11/2021 10:02

What would help?

I can see that being told to parent better / take control / don't stand for it is useless advice. And it sounds like asking Social Services for help results in no actual support, but risks losing younger children.

So what should parents do in this situation? And if I meet someone going through this, how can I best support them?

mucky123 · 10/11/2021 10:11

My daughter age 8 keyed my car and kicked the windscreen in with her foot. She regularly wrecked the house. If we tried to intervene we got hurt, I used to photo the bruises as I didn't think anyone would believe me. She also spoke to both of us in a vile manner constantly and it wore the life out of you. I remember thinking I wouldn't put up with this from anyone else but I can't leave because you are a child. The advice from school was to just walk away but I couldn't as she'd follow me. Amazingly we had some private interventions to help her with communication and it has improved immensely. She can still be very difficult and controlling but has stopped completely with the verbal and physical abuse (and it could have been so much worse as a teen). She is actually very loving when all is well. I know lots of people thst have suffered similar (often far worse) and it is the hidden abuse, you can't talk about it.

Iggly · 10/11/2021 10:28

@Grimbelina

I think it should be labelled abuse, as that is how it is experienced by the victim. A lot more light needs to be shone on this area, and a great deal more resources put in place to support families who are suffering. Language is very important, if it is recognised and named as abuse, more help might follow (for the child concerned as well as everyone else).
The danger with that label is that calling a four year old an abuser (effectively) is that it is inaccurate IMO and implies a level of power/control which isn’t there.

And may lead to the wrong treatment of the child.

Whitefire · 10/11/2021 10:31

Frieda thank you for asking (I mean that genuinely)

Better support for siblings, he says some absolutely dreadful things to his younger sister and she needs support in this.

Targeted parenting advice, I have no qualms at this but it needs to be suitable, time out, grounding etc are not suitable (he doesn't go anywhere, and anyway making him stay in the house won't help) we need specific advice as to how best handle it.

Respite (I can dream of that at least)

Support for us as parents, to put it bluntly it often gets me to the point of feeling suicidal, that is not good.

Grimbelina · 10/11/2021 10:33

... but the act is abusive and it is experienced as abuse. I don't think it does always imply a level of control/power. There are numerous people in prison and young offender units who it could be argued weren't in control when they committed a violent offence. I wish I knew what the answer was...

x2boys · 10/11/2021 10:35

@Grimbelina

I think it should be labelled abuse, as that is how it is experienced by the victim. A lot more light needs to be shone on this area, and a great deal more resources put in place to support families who are suffering. Language is very important, if it is recognised and named as abuse, more help might follow (for the child concerned as well as everyone else).
It depends my child isn't being abusive ,as he doesn't have the capacity to understand what he's doing beyond a very basic level ,similar to a much younger child ,when he hits out ,it's frustration at not being able to make his needs known .
Just10moreminutesplease · 10/11/2021 10:41

I think one of the problems is that the term ‘abuser’ suggests a level of culpability that young children and some people with disabilities just don’t have.

Labelling someone as an abusive for something they can’t help is wrong…

But the parent is still experiencing abuse and needs support.

LizzieW1969 · 10/11/2021 10:56

I’ve experienced violence in the past at the hands of my DD1 (12), who is adopted and has SEN. She once tried to hit me with a rounders bat and regularly hit and kicked me and would stamp on my feet. She also used to trash her room and throw things, particularly her glasses and hearing aids.

It was hard because, as a PP has said, I was wary of defending myself as there was the risk of hurting her.

She used to hurt DD2 (now 9) as well.

Therapy has helped and, though she does still exhibit displays of temper, she no longer lashes out at me physically thankfully.

I wouldn’t have called it abuse when it was happening. I did suffer CSA and physical abuse as a child (as did my DSis) and for me there’s a clear difference, as DD1 was a very vulnerable child.

I found it very shaming, though, as it felt like I was a failure as a mum and was afraid for the safety of DD2. (Thankfully, I was mostly the target of DD1’s rages.)

HosannainExcelSheets · 10/11/2021 11:00

I know it's not helpful to debate the semantics, but does it help to separate the experience of the parent from the culpability of the child?

My experience is definitely one of being abused, but my DS with ASD isn't capable of understanding the impact of his behaviour on me, so isn't "abusive" in that sense. Sensory and control driven meltdowns have ruled my life so completely in the past. Always on egg shells, always conscious of trying to keep the peace...

It would have been great to get done support, respite as PP said, and just a bit of understanding.

Grimbelina · 10/11/2021 11:27

HosannainExcelSheets I think this is the crucial point: if we separate the experience of the parent from the culpability of the child, then society could offer different help to the parent and the child. DV is taken so much more seriously now, and it's crucial that we take violence from children to adults as seriously too. The shame is really hard to unpick too.

Spikeyball · 10/11/2021 12:01

Ds who has a severe learning disability punches us on a regular basis when anxious and occasionally we have very distressed episodes involving biting, head butting, scratching, grabbing hair etc. He is 16 and 6 inches taller than me. We cannot leave the house without both of being with him. His behaviour is the same with everyone who cares for him. In fact he probably does it a bit less with us because we have more control of potential triggers than eg at school.

I personally don't think of it as abuse because I don't think he is deliberately trying to hurt anyone and he hurts himself just as much. It wouldn't help me cope with it better. He is a very gentle soul when not highly anxious and when in extreme distress he looks very scared.

But yes it is how we live and I doubt anyone outside my immediate circle knows what goes on.

The good side is that as he is getting to the later stage of puberty he is getting better at managing his behaviour and it is happening less. Also no professionals who work with us 'blame' us for it.

Whitefire · 10/11/2021 12:36

The good side is that as he is getting to the later stage of puberty he is getting better at managing his behaviour and it is happening less.

ASD clashing with puberty is not pretty.

Upamountain43 · 10/11/2021 12:48

We have not had anything yet but can see it coming - 12 year old big lad with ASD and LD gets so anxious he does not know what he is doing. He has not been violent yet but i would say we have talked about it but would never use the term abuser - he might become a 6ft teenage but inside he is a scared frightened 6 year old.

What do you do? I would not call the Police as i have heard too many horror stories and in my job see too many young adults who have been completely traumatised by the Police being called.

I think it might be different if your child is neurotypical but if SEN then its so hard.

Many SEN adults in care homes assault staff and cause damage so it is part of the condition for sure but that does not help the many families going through it. Better support for families with a SEN child is the only way forward.

Toddlerteaplease · 10/11/2021 13:06

I have a free d who is special guardian for her great nephew and nieces. All have issues. But the nephews behavioural issues are so severe that I think he will actually murder her if someone else. He's an absolute psychopath. Camhs have discharged him apparently. He leaves knives on top of doors so they will fall off on to someone and sends photos of them all stabbed into a kitchen chopping board.

Lorw · 10/11/2021 14:12

I think it’s not talked about enough. I grew up with a violent autistic brother, we had to have locks on the inside of our doors to lock at night because he would hurt us while we were sleeping if we didn’t, we were in fear of him all the time and nobody protected us like they would if he was an adult, when my baby sister came along he even used to hurt her (a newborn) he was only like 7 at the time? Can’t even begin to understand why my mum decided to have any more kids after him. I think the lack of support for this kind of thing is an absolute joke.

PasstheBucket89 · 10/11/2021 16:30

I think theres a big difference between someone so severely mentally disabled its obvious to anyone who walks past,

and someone whilst neuro diverse, is aware of what they are doing and right and wrong.

malicious and neuro diverse are not always mutually exclusive, same as with MH.

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PasstheBucket89 · 10/11/2021 16:31

@Lorw I'm so sorry you were all really failed

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