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To be shocked at the footage coming out of the Astroworld festival

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popstickz · 07/11/2021 11:23

People were collapsing and emergency vehicles trying to get through the crowds and yet Travis Scott and Drake continued to perform- it's so bizarre and horrible to see, why did they not stop the concert??

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Piggy42 · 07/11/2021 11:24

Would there have been more mass panic if they’d stopped? I haven’t seen any footage so is just a thought.

Hadjab · 07/11/2021 11:28

Travis Scott stopped his set several times to get help for crowd members.

bonfireheart · 07/11/2021 11:28
  1. He did stop.
  2. Loom at any footage of large concerts and you will see people faint and have to be carried over the barriers. How were they to know this was different.
FAQs · 07/11/2021 11:30

Footage coming out is awful, so many injured and 8 I think have died.

MattHancocksSexTape · 07/11/2021 11:31

There were a lot of issues at this festival. A large number of unticketed surged through the gates and broke down barriers. Crowd control and security seemed to be lacking in numbers too.

A tragedy yes, but it was avoidable.

PasstheBucket89 · 07/11/2021 11:32

I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole on this
a) he was previously arrested in 2015 for encouraging his fans to ignore security staff at a concert

b) when a girl broke on the stage saying someone was dead the camera man did absolutely nothing

c) nobody seemed to go up to him and tell him in his ear

d) was continuing to sing with bodies being carried out

e) being coming into the event trampled security, the event should have stopped letting people in at that point, which also means no bag searches will have been done.

popstickz · 07/11/2021 11:32

@bonfireheart

1. He did stop.
  1. Loom at any footage of large concerts and you will see people faint and have to be carried over the barriers. How were they to know this was different.
There was an ambulance coming through the crowd to attend to someone- is that normal? He pauses while this happens then gets everyone hyped up again.
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PasstheBucket89 · 07/11/2021 11:33

the ambulance video is so disgusting he should hang his head in shame

Cornettoninja · 07/11/2021 11:35

It doesn’t make for light reading does it?

I didn’t know much about Travis before aside from him hanging about with a kardahsian, but it seems that the venue was badly overcrowded (and he may have had a hand in encouraging fans to storm ticket barriers) and his concerts are generally known for ‘raging’ (not moshing) and his apparent encouragement of that. Plus he has previous charges for incitement at his own concerts www.google.com/amp/s/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/why-was-travis-scott-in-jail-he-was-arrested-after-a-concert-in-2017/amp/

Couple that with his teams efforts to delete tweets made prior to the concert I’m going to conclude that he bears some responsibility in this tragedy.

One of the people there wrote an account on Twitter and it sounds horrendous.

FrownedUpon · 07/11/2021 11:35

It’s horrible. Life is cheap. Just heard on the news that people are reporting a person injecting others as well.

Ghoulette · 07/11/2021 11:41

Travis Scott bragged before the show about managing to facilitate more tickets being sold so the show was at capacity. The crowd was repeatedly shouting "stop the show, stop the show" in unison but instead he sang louder, then stood there on his platform chanting "yeeHhh yEeehhh YEEhhh" and watched as a dead fan was carried away through the crowd. At one point the crew tell him through the earpiece to stop the show and he says "who asking me to stop?".

Travis Scott has also encouraged fans to jump the barriers at other shows (Lolla) then told them to "fuck em up" regarding security guards when they tried to stop it, encouraged fans to rush the stage in 2017 in Arkensas. He has been arrested and charged previously for doing that shit.

There are other non show related shitty things he has done too. But it's fine, he is a rich sleb and nothing will happen to him

Bestkindaparty · 07/11/2021 11:41

He was encouraging the crowd to "rage" and "make the ground shake" minutes after he noticed someone collapse. There's a video of 2 of his crew going up to him on stage but he just shoos them away and shouts you all knew what you came here for.
Granted he maybe didn't know the severity but he obviously does not care about his fans safety one bit. He has an appalling history to. He encourages fans to break through barriers to get in causing overcrowding.
The girl who got on stage to get help has posted her experience on instagram. It's really horrible to read.

Ghoulette · 07/11/2021 11:42

@PasstheBucket89

I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole on this a) he was previously arrested in 2015 for encouraging his fans to ignore security staff at a concert

b) when a girl broke on the stage saying someone was dead the camera man did absolutely nothing

c) nobody seemed to go up to him and tell him in his ear

d) was continuing to sing with bodies being carried out

e) being coming into the event trampled security, the event should have stopped letting people in at that point, which also means no bag searches will have been done.

The crew were telling him repeatedly through his earpiece to stop the show. He said "who asking me to stop" then sang louder and did the robot.
Ghoulette · 07/11/2021 11:44

He deleted it now he has been caught out being a POS, obviously Hmm

To be shocked at the footage coming out of the Astroworld festival
AwaAnBileYerHeid · 07/11/2021 11:50

@Cornettoninja

It doesn’t make for light reading does it?

I didn’t know much about Travis before aside from him hanging about with a kardahsian, but it seems that the venue was badly overcrowded (and he may have had a hand in encouraging fans to storm ticket barriers) and his concerts are generally known for ‘raging’ (not moshing) and his apparent encouragement of that. Plus he has previous charges for incitement at his own concerts www.google.com/amp/s/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/why-was-travis-scott-in-jail-he-was-arrested-after-a-concert-in-2017/amp/

Couple that with his teams efforts to delete tweets made prior to the concert I’m going to conclude that he bears some responsibility in this tragedy.

One of the people there wrote an account on Twitter and it sounds horrendous.

I think it's a different Travis that is involved with the Kardashians isn't it? Travis Barker or something...
ChequerBoard · 07/11/2021 11:53

There's no way he didn't know what was going on. He was miked up and would have had a production team member in his ear telling him about the unfolding events.

If he was too much of an egotistical dick to stop, why didn't they just cut the sound?

Another 'sleb' being sorry after the event because they have just realised the ramifications of their actions (for them).

popstickz · 07/11/2021 11:53

Travis Scott's girlfriend is Kylie Jenner

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popstickz · 07/11/2021 11:54

Yes I wondered why they didn't cut the sound. I think though if they had done that and he hadn't wanted them to he may have got the crowd riled up even more though.

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Returnoftheowl · 07/11/2021 11:56

@AwaAnBileYerHeid - Travis Scott is with Kylie Kardashian, Travis Baker is with Kourtney Kardashian.
Travis Scott is the one associated with Astroworld.

Returnoftheowl · 07/11/2021 11:57

Sorry, Kylie is a Jenner, not a Kardashian! But is definitely Travis Scott's girlfriend.

TheQueef · 07/11/2021 12:01

Same here @PasstheBucket89 I didn't know who this guy was so I've read today.
This isn't the first time he's injured his fans, there is plenty of footage of his previous incidents yet he did it again!

Cornettoninja · 07/11/2021 12:01

If he was too much of an egotistical dick to stop, why didn't they just cut the sound?

Travis is just the frontman for a whole team of people likely with the same moral compasses and boundaries. Getting the fans to beat the shit out of each other and endanger themselves is part of what they sell. Fans are just cannon fodder that give their money to over-inflated egos that couldn’t give a shit about them.

(And apologies yes it is Kylie Jenner he’s with)

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 07/11/2021 12:02

[quote Returnoftheowl]@AwaAnBileYerHeid - Travis Scott is with Kylie Kardashian, Travis Baker is with Kourtney Kardashian.
Travis Scott is the one associated with Astroworld.[/quote]
Ah I see, one of the Jenner girls. I thought she meant Kourtney Kardashian.

TatianaBis · 07/11/2021 12:03

He seems to have paused several times. You’d think after he had to pause more than once that he might have stopped the show to find out what was going on. But it’s difficult to know what he could actually see.

The culpability lies with the organisers, security, medics and cameramen who didn’t stop the show, and in fact ignored pleas from the audience to stop.

It seems to have been very badly organised. If one security team member can see things are going wrong they should be able to message the whole team. Equally an IVU nurse who attended the event and passed out herself, ended up treating people, said that there were nowhere near enough medics for that number of people, and they were inadequately trained.

On a recent thread about Reading festival I said there would be a Hillsborough type event before festival organisers take crowd safety more seriously. And here we are.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/11/2021 12:10

You don't stop performing until somebody switches your mic off, you keep going - stopping early can result in audiences turning or panicking even more. Depending upon the actual lighting rig/setup, there's a good chance you can't see more than the odd glimpse - your world is what you can see and that is the stage. There's people employed to deal with the crowd, it's not anything to do with you, your job is to be on that stage and perform.

Stage intruders aren't always telling the truth or safe. The only people you can trust are those who you know are supposed to be on stage and the voice in your earpiece - and asking 'who?' is completely normal in that circumstance, as you have to know if it's somebody giving an instruction that has the authority to do so or whether it's somebody who doesn't - it'll cost thousands if not more (personally, too - performance contracts are very strict) if you stop and it wasn't an official instruction from somebody with authority; again, not being able to see a great deal whilst on stage is relevant here.

Yeah, I'm sure he's a dick. But when shit is going down, you're often the last to know that there's a real problem, as it's not your job. Your job is to stand up there in a pool of bright light, make noise and look good. And there will be extremely angry owners, promoters, agents, tech team, security team, etc, if you overstep and make decisions about things you don't know, can't see and you are not qualified to do so with.

People are conflating what appears to be an utter clusterfuck of crowd behaviour plus crowd, venue and security management with the performer's job. Which is to perform.

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