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Why is everything WiFi enabled (kitchen applicances)?

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blacklilypad · 29/10/2021 15:24

Can anyone explain to me why washing machines, dishwashers, etc are now WiFi enabled and able to be controlled by Alexa and Google?

I'm moving and need to buy all my kitchen white goods (we left ours at old house but sellers are taking theirs) and everything can be controlled via your smartphone. And I just don't see the point. I need to load the washing machine manually first, why would I then want to start it from my smarthphone instead of just pushing the button in front of me?

Does anyone have one that can enlighten me on the point of these features as I don't get it? I feel like I'm missing out on some brilliant life hack or something

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blacklilypad · 29/10/2021 22:48

@violetbunny

Our heat pump is Wi-Fi enabled. It's great because it means I can just ask Alexa to switch it on and off, no need to hunt for the remote or get up off the sofa.

I can also use the app on my phone to check the temperature of the house, so while I'm on my way home I can switch the air con or heating on so the house is a nice temperature when I get in.

A heat pump is different. I love my nest thermostat. It's definitely used in my house especially after trips away in the winter so I can turn the heating on on the journey home and not return to a cold house.

But I just don't think I would use an app for my dishwasher, tumble dryer or washing machine. Although I do often use delay settings on them so maybe it's just an upgrade to that?

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Handsnotwands · 29/10/2021 23:17

It’s the internet of things

I think the idea is we will be automating to optimise stuff or some such (#technical)

sbhydrogen · 29/10/2021 23:19

We are working on making our "smart" house dumb again. I don't want to turn the heating on from my phone, I just want a God damn normal thermostat.

TuftyMarmoset · 29/10/2021 23:25

Yes, it's so stupid. We have just bought a new fridge and cooker and deliberately did NOT buy the 'smart' ones, as they seem more likely to go wrong. I just want appliances which will cool things down and heat them up respectively, and last at least 10 years. I don't want it to tweet me my recipe or whatever.

Elphame · 29/10/2021 23:29

I doomed then if I need a new appliance. There is no wifi in the kitchen.

melj1213 · 30/10/2021 00:16

Although I do often use delay settings on them so maybe it's just an upgrade to that?

That's pretty much what it is, it just gives people more flexibility to control things when it suits them rather than having to rely on preset timers that may not be practical.

I have a smart washer and I love it - I work 10 hr shifts, 2pm-10pm, and my old washer had 3 delay settings of 3/6/9hrs which weren't always practical, especially if I was in and out all day with appointments/errands and didn't set it at the right time. By having a smart washer, I can set it up before I leave the house and then start the cycle when it is most convenient for me, so that the cycle is finished, or just finishing, as I walk in the door.

safariboot · 30/10/2021 00:19

Manufacturers want people to who already own perfectly good stuff to buy new. Adding gee-whiz features like smartphone app control is a way to do that.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/10/2021 06:05

My new coffee machine (which I otherwise LOVE) is WiFi enabled. In theory it could be quite nice to set it so I can leave a cup under it at night, then tell it from my bed to make me a coffee when I wake.

They were giving away Teasmades on Bullseye in 1981 - and they'd already been around for decades then - no WiFi required (or indeed in existence)!

I think the issue is that, once they (from the highest level) started aggressively selling the benefits of smart meters and convincing millions of people that they couldn't read a meter themselves and spend 30 seconds every fortnight submitting it online; and then making people think via TV adverts that they could actually save energy by being educated with what any bill payer knows full well, that a kettle, tumble dryer or oven use a lot of energy (hence why you already only use them when you need them and don't leave them going for fun), this was the logical next step.

With a smart meter, the energy companies will already have the ability to turn items off in your home when they feel the need to - to prevent spikes in use etc., so that you use it at their convenience and not yours - and they can charge you vastly varying tariffs - very expensive for using it in the middle of the night and even more expensive for when you actually want to use it. If you want your appliances connected in to this - so you potentially just 'host' them rather than having full autonomy over them - then that's your choice.

Even with the suggestion upthread of it all being chip-driven and able to warn you when something is worn/wearing out, does anybody really believe the manufacturers would use this to help you and not themselves?

Printers will tell you that they're empty of ink/toner months before they actually are - and beep angrily at you every time you turn them on, even just to use the scanner. Main dealer garages will show you 'proof' that a component 'isn't working to full/optimum efficiency' and urge you to replace something that may have 70-80% of its useful life cycle still remaining. Often, the thing that goes wrong and gives you a big bill is the thing that's there to monitor when an actual important part goes wrong! If a manufacturer arbitrarily sets an 'advised safe and efficient use period' of 8 years on an appliance, imagine being forced to press an override/disclaimer button every single time to 'accept and confirm personal responsibility for all risks' just to continue using a machine that might have a decade or more of solid, normal service left in it, but which the manufacturer would nevertheless prefer you to send to landfill and buy a new one from them - which many folk would be scared into doing. Fanciful? No: absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Like with smart TVs that have cameras and microphones in them (confirmed by the industry - not crazy conspiracy theory), any new appliances that our household buys, once internet-connected is the only thing that's available, will remain dumb and never be connected to the internet in the first place.

Having said that, manufacturers will probably eventually build something in to try to force/nag you to, to register/use it - just like with old Sky boxes that demanded to be connected to a telephone line 'to enable you to use the full range of services' i.e. be able to spend more money with Box Office etc. without having to stop to think about it.

In the same way that almost every single website wants to track you with cookies that go far beyond what you actually need to make the site work (including that nasty 'legitimate interest' doublespeak) - if there's a way for your washing machine or fridge to easily grab all of your data as to how you use it and other facts of your life that they can feed back to the manufacturers and monetise it, they will unquestionably do this - and dress it up as though it's all for your benefit.

The only people I can think of who might genuinely benefit from most of these features - maybe those with advanced dementia or similar - aren't safe to be living on their own anyway.

Ifailed · 30/10/2021 06:40

Domestic appliances are Wifi enabled so they can get together and talk about you behind your back.

mountbattenbergcake · 30/10/2021 06:43

@LittleOwl153

I can see the value of a WiFi enabled oven if I can check it has come on as I leave work / sit on the poolside... but no the washing machine seems a little ott to me!
But then does that mean the food is sitting in the oven all day waiting for a remote switch on? Wouldn’t chicken, fish etc go off?
FatOaf · 30/10/2021 09:12

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll - I can't find words to express my gratitude to you for putting this so clearly. You've summed up everything I've been trying to tell people around me for years.

That "legitimate interest" is going to kill me (if a DPD driver doesn't do it first): I get a massive spike in blood pressure every time I see it.

DdraigGoch · 30/10/2021 10:29

@Santastuckincustoms

I recently found out my washing machine had this. I found out because my DH's iPad kept pinging with notifications. I read one and it said the washing had finished. I was astounded that he'd been getting these messages for over a year but had never once got the bloody washing out! Maybe he thought that bit was automated too Hmm
Don't tell me that you thought all of those notifications were from a mistress!

I'm on a time of use tariff and work shifts. The ability to have more control over the washing machine than just setting the number of hours delay would be quite useful for me. I want it to start around 3am so that it is finished just before I leave for work but it's a pain having to count up how many hours to set the delay for. Likewise I might want it to finish just as I return from work, even if I'm not quite sure when that will be.

Idony · 30/10/2021 10:39

Just don't buy them. The more tech-literate people are, the less likely they are to buy these silly toys. Don't fall for it.

Baxdream · 30/10/2021 10:41

I've got a wifi enabled washing machine. It's so handy to get a text when it's finished the cycle!
This might not matter if you can hear it throughout the house I guess

Baxdream · 30/10/2021 10:49

Just to add I got mine through a testing review site. I wouldn't pay extra for it

Journeyofthedragons · 30/10/2021 10:49

I'd imagine that from the manufacturer's point of view the primary reason to have wifi on appliances is to collect data.

CounsellorTroi · 30/10/2021 10:55

@Baxdream

I've got a wifi enabled washing machine. It's so handy to get a text when it's finished the cycle! This might not matter if you can hear it throughout the house I guess
My machine, which is not new, tells you approximately how long each program will take when you select it. So I’ll know approximately when it has finished. Plus I don’t carry my phone all round the house with me at all times,
Baxdream · 30/10/2021 11:13

Nor do I but I have a smart watch. Newer machines will amend the time of a cycle as it goes.
No need to be rude, don't buy one if it doesn't suit you

BarbaraofSeville · 30/10/2021 11:14

@Journeyofthedragons

I'd imagine that from the manufacturer's point of view the primary reason to have wifi on appliances is to collect data.
I suppose if the app will tell the owner how many cycles it's done in how long and if there's a fault, what it actually is, it will help decide whether to repair or if it's time to replace.

The heater has gone on our dishwasher after about 7 years, which I don't think is very long, but repair will likely cost £150 to £200 and it was a cheap machine that didn't cost much more than that, so we're getting a new one, but if I had an app that was telling me I had a smaller fault with a newer machine, I'd probably get it repaired.

You also have evidence if you want to assert your consumer rights if it breaks in a few years.

MurielSpriggs · 30/10/2021 11:51

It's to normalise connecting your appliance to the internet by trying to pretend there's some advantage in it for you. In a few more years your new dishwasher and electric toothbrush won't work unless they're connected. And that's really handy for the manufacturers.

For decades they've included those little postcards in the instructions telling you to register your ownership to receive "benefits". Now you'll have no choice, the registration will be compulsory and electronic, and not only will they know who's bought their machines and how to contact them, they can hijack all sorts of data and police your use of the machines to make sure you are using them "in accordance with guidelines" (ie in the way that maximises their profits).

Hafhaf · 15/02/2022 15:31

Could someone please recommend a washing machine with a 1600 spin that is Not wifi or Not capable of being operated from a 'phone? I've spent ages searching but haven't found anything in the £200-£500 range.

jytdtysrht · 15/02/2022 16:16

It’s all just such a load of bollocks.

All my appliances are dumb and that’s how I like it.

What a waste of metal components etc making a washing machine “smart”

World gone mad

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