Not to want to lose my human rights on the whim of a government minister?

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Dominic Raab says he wants to bring in a system which allows the Government to legislate against UK court judgements in human rights cases if it doesn't like them. Without going through a debate or a vote in Parliament.
Is this the end of the role of the courts in our democracy?
"Raab threat to ‘correct’ court judgments is ‘deeply troubling’, warn legal experts"
It's in The Telegraph too.
uk.yahoo.com/news/raab-threat-correct-court-judgments-144345935.html

I agree with Dominic Raab. Is he a troll too. And misinformed. Just because somebody doesnt agree with You. I expect you are a fully paid up labour leftie. So tiresome.

@Viviennemary: list of countries that have had a coup or attempted coup. Do you think coups are a good thing? With mostly good people? They don’t involve voting FYI

Afghanistan

Albania

Algeria

Argentina

Armenia

Australia

Austria

Azerbaijan

Bangladesh

Benin

Bolivia

Bophuthatswana

Brazil

Bulgaria

Burkina Faso

Burundi

Cambodia

Cameroon

Central African Republic

Chad

Chile

China

Ciskei

Colombia

Comoros

Congo, Democratic Republic of the

Congo, Republic of the

Costa Rica

Cuba

Cyprus

Czechoslovakia

Denmark

Dominican Republic

Dominica

Ecuador

Egypt

El Salvador

England

Equatorial Guinea

Estonia

Ethiopia

Fiji

Finland

France

Gabon

Gambia

Georgia

Germany

Ghana

Greece

Grenada

Guam

Guatemala

Guinea

Guinea-Bissau

Haiti

Honduras

Hungary

Indonesia

India

Iran

Iraq

Italy

Ivory Coast

Japan

Jordan

Kenya

Korea, North

Korea, South

Laos

Latvia

Lesotho

Liberia

Libya

Lithuania

Madagascar

Mali

Mauritania

Mexico

Montenegro

Morocco

Myanmar (Burma)

Nepal

Netherlands

Nicaragua

Niger

Nigeria

Norway

Oman

Panama

Pakistan

Paraguay

Peru

Philippines

Poland

Portugal

Romania

Russia

Rwanda

São Tomé and Príncipe

Saudi Arabia

Scotland

Serbia

Seychelles

Sierra Leone

Solomon Islands

Somalia

Spain

Sudan

Suriname

Switzerland

Sweden

Syria

Thailand

Togo

Transkei

Tunisia

Tuva

Turkey

Trinidad and Tobago

Uganda

Ukraine

United Kingdom

United States

Uruguay

Venda

Venezuela

South Vietnam

Yemen

Yugoslavia

Zanzibar

Zambia

Zimbabwe

Viviennemary An elected government is not above the law. In a democracy the government has to get parliamentary approval of law it wants to make.

Parliamentary soveriegnty was what brexiters were all wailing about 5 minutes ago.

If you do not understand that you do not understand much.

Dominic Raaab is a 3rd rate idiot, like the rest of the corrupt incompetents calling themselves a government.

This is not about left or right @Viviennemary it’s about understanding the relationship between the executive, legislative and judicial aspects of government in democracy. What makes a democracy.

And yes Raab is misinformed on this as much as on the actual volume of U.K.-EU trade that passes through Calais, for example.

He’s a very silly man.

This government is essentially Trump. But in the US there was at least a functioning opposition party.

Vivennemary is a right wing Brexit crank. Raab is demonstrably thick as shit but because he's on that poster's side, they''ll agree with anything the govt proposes. Tiresome.

I think this is actually worse than trump. Even he didn’t manage anything like this

Ok so a lot of people seem confused about the difference between Parliament and Government.

Parliament are Britain’s sovereign power. They make the law. Judges do NOT make new law, they interpret it for a specific situation. If Judges interpret the law in a way Parliament disagrees with, Parliament is always free to legislate to change that.

Government is the Prime Minister and his buddies and it changes from year to year depending on party politics. It is NOT sovereign and it can NOT make law (except in specific circumstances where Parliament had given them time limited power to do so, ie during the pandemic).

What Raab is talking about here, is changing the law so that Government is soveriegn, and can make law without Parliament being able to debate and amend it. He is sneaking this in at a time when, because of the temporary emergency powers given to Government by Parliament in the pandemic, people are used to Government being able to change the law day to day.

PARLIAMENT are your elected representatives and this is a power grab by Government FROM YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES.

And that does take us several steps away from democracy in the direction of dictatorship.

It’s terrifying- but I genuinely believe the government will lose this. We still have judicial review and people who are much more talented than Raab ( not difficult) who can stop this.

Then looks like the right wing Brexit cranks won the day. Ah shame. Anyway it made me laugh so thanks!

@Viviennemary
It’s interesting you only pick up on that comment. Like you just want division.
You don’t really want a sound debate about you and your families future.

The only effective opposition we seem to have at the moment is Jolyon Maugham. No doubt he will be all over this.

A definite desire for a power grab from this bunch of incompetent loons, this is only one of many. Although this is the one most looking like the path to dictatorship. So far.

Viviennemary’s comments remind me of the Enemies of the People hoo-ha. It is really frightening that people do not understand the very basics of how our country is run, because they are ripe for being manipulated by forces that want to undermine the structures that protect our freedom.

The idea that it’s ‘madness’ for the government not to get its way is plain ignorant. Viviennemary and anyone else who thinks this sounds like a good idea should have a read about the separation of powers. Then they can go back and read the media reports on what Raab is saying and why this has experts concerned so, whether they still agree with him or not, they can at least give an opinion on this that is informed.

Raab basically interprets judge’s ability to interpret legislation as creating new laws without parliament - which massively misses the point - and he’s contriving an undemocratic ‘fix’.

He’s also trying to limit the impact of the ECHR which was one of the aims of Brexit for the hard right.

If Judges interpret the law in a way Parliament disagrees with, Parliament is always free to legislate to change that.

Just to be pedantic they can’t overturn a judicial decision, but they can change the law on which it’s based.

its not it’s ^

Thought I’d written its. Tried to correct its to it’s but autocorrect had different ideas. Anyways it’s nearly midnight and I’m going to bed. 😂

@DreamingofTimbuktu

It’s terrifying- but I genuinely believe the government will lose this. We still have judicial review and people who are much more talented than Raab ( not difficult) who can stop this.

Judicial review is being watered down as we speak.

There has always been a ‘gift of fear’ vibe about Raab. There’s something about him that really gets my spidey senses tingling to the point I’m actually a bit scared of him. That was the case way before this situation.

On a further point of pedantry - this government in common with most is the party that the majority of people who bothered to vote, voted against. Another reason for them not to be allowed to ride roughshod over the constitution (such as it is).

We have an independent judiciary that can hold the government to account. It's a cornerstone of our democracy. Any change to that is a move towards totalitarianism.
Raab's family came here as refugees from a regime that didn't have that balance. What is he thinking?

@wherearemychickens

My understanding is that judges interpret the law, said law having been duly scrutinised by our elected representatives before being passed into law. Isn't allowing ministers to disregard a judge's opinion another name for dictatorship?

Yes.

Dominic Raab is a genuinely nasty piece of work, like most of the Tory government.

Why do a few judges have the right to overturn the government. It's mad.

@Viviennemary, if there is a significant number of voters out there with views similar to yours, then that is why it's important to uphold the principle that no government is above the law.