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to think that in the UK we love to hate rich people?

194 replies

InTheNameOfAllThatIsHonest · 11/10/2021 17:18

Looking at a few threads here it seems that there is a definite trend that sees a lot of us in the UK loving to hate rich people. Why is that? Why do we resent them? Sure, I'd love to have lots of money and not need to worry but I don't resent those who do have it.

And yet there is so much vitriol on MN directed at people with money. Odd when without their tax money we'd be in a lot of trouble... Enlighten me please. Because I'm almost embarrassed IRL to admit I'd actually love to be rich!

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Karwomannghia · 11/10/2021 18:19

To be very rich usually involves exploitation of other people so no I don’t particularly like rich people, greed and what they represent.

EmmaOvary · 11/10/2021 18:20

"There is a large portion of society with a huge sense of entitlement. "

Yup, it's called the aristocracy.

Andante57 · 11/10/2021 18:21

I don’t hate rich people, but I wouldn’t like to be in the company of someone who is rich

Funinthesun when you meet someone how on earth do you know how much money they’ve got? I mean people don’t say to someone they’ve only just met “hello, I’m rich” do they?
If someone said that to me I would be immediately suspicious and think they were a fantasist.

Andante57 · 11/10/2021 18:22

@EmmaOvary

"There is a large portion of society with a huge sense of entitlement. "

Yup, it's called the aristocracy.

What is your definition of ‘aristocracy’?
EmmaOvary · 11/10/2021 18:25

@Andante57 I'm, aristocrats?!

But if we're talking about entitlement, landed gentry and those from very wealthy, privileged backgrounds à la Boris. You can bet he's never suffered from impostor syndrome, although God knows he bloody should.

Andante57 · 11/10/2021 18:28

So all the aristocracy are entitled?
You know every one of them all well enough to say this?

Diverseopinions · 11/10/2021 18:30

I think commerce has changed over the decades. It used to be possible to set up a small business and grow it. That's what seems to.have happened during the late nineteenth century with biscuit manufacturers, and the like. Success could be homely and about hard work. Today, most of those little firms who employed local people and delivered have been taken over by multinationals. I think that this gives a bad taste in the mouth about what business is, and by extension, the mistrust extends to all those who have made money. For some reason the success is not identified with hard work and vision, as once it was. This is an unjust conclusion to draw, but I think a fair number of individuals under the age of forty have such attitudes.

I think.people like to see rich people give some money to help others. If this giving is seen to be done, then the hostility disappears somewhat, too. But then, charities don't have a great reputation today, either. People think it's a fiddle, and not all the money goes to the needy. So yes. The good work rich people used to do seems to be overlooked because of some bad press for big business.

We live in an age - and I'm thinking the past fifteen years - where thinking that the poor don't deserve to be poor is paramount, and feeling there should not be a divide is popular. It's a Woodstock/ Age of Aquarius, in many ways. More people buy recycled clothes; they hate the damage which production does to the planet. Economic growth is not fashionable, as it is seen that there is always a loser. Materialism is unpopular. I think rich factory bosses not being local and the rising cost of rents/mortgage and utilities, do make people feel that hardship is not anybody's fault, and rich people ought to want to help more.

Within my family, I'm a bit shocked at how a capitalist model of everyone helping themselves, but not necessarily others, really seems to have taken a hold. It's amazing that they wouldn't particularly want to help a friend or family member. In other cultures to the one I was born into, families do help each other, so I guess that in those communities, rich relatives are not disliked, and in fact they are probably praised for being strong and independent and keeping things going.

I think people feel that the system is less fair than it used to be. It's also fashionable to be an ethical business and the profit incentive is probably less popular than ever.

toconclude · 11/10/2021 18:31

@upinaballoon

Yeah, the usual load of bollocks spouted by Americans who either don't know or don't want to know how much someone's background determines their chances in their society.
The American Dream is a lie, pure and simple.

efg456 · 11/10/2021 18:31

Name changed before posting Blush

I find it's in society in general. Me and DH earn around £300-400k a year pretax. But don't tell anyone, even our parents don't realise. We aren't big spenders, slightly larger than average home, high street clothes, and drive a car worth around £6k.

Over 50% of what we earn goes to the tax man. We now also have a £10k a year limit on what we can put in our pensions.

We don't mind paying so much tax in the slightest. But we do mind being made out to be villains by friends and family who don't realise that when they talk about the top 1% and what awful people they are it applies to us.

efg456 · 11/10/2021 18:33

Just to add, we don't come from money.

Both state school educated, both with dads who worked in a trade and mums who worked in retail.

AdoptedBumpkin · 11/10/2021 18:35

@Kljnmw3459

I think the opposite is true, everyone hates the poor.
Agree.
TheWholeWorld · 11/10/2021 18:37

@thefourgp

Rich or super rich? I don’t think anyone works hard enough or is talented enough to become a billionaire without some morally bankrupt practices Eg. Having staff on zero hour contracts, paying lower level staff minimum wage whilst those at the top earn millions, having your staff have to claim universal credit because you don’t pay enough for them to comfortably live etc.
Couldn't agree more with this.

Like the Gates' having it both ways - if they paid their workers properly they would never have been billionaires yet they get the kudos of giving away all the money that by rights should belong to their employees.

Fizbosshoes · 11/10/2021 18:38

I don't think MN hate the rich - most of them seem to earn over 100k! but then try to make out that its actually a complete pittance

flippertyop · 11/10/2021 18:40

I don't think MN differentiates between the wealthy and super rich. You say you earn 100k or have a swimming pool and you get a pile on. I'm with you - I'm happy for people to have what they have and I don't get jealous or judge them for it. I can sort of understand why some have issues with landed gentry (although I do not) but MN has issues with self made people too - in fact anyone earning more than 60k is scum of the earth on most threads !!

Eealoty · 11/10/2021 18:42

I think the people detested are those who, as a pp has said, exploit people and are corrupt. Not those on 150k etc - who pay tax in the normal way... And are basically in the main populus compared to the established elite.

tinierclanger · 11/10/2021 18:46

People get rich by exploiting other people. That’s how capitalism works. You can’t benefit from it massively and then start blubbing about the masses not liking you.

EmmaOvary · 11/10/2021 18:46

@Andante57 nah, Tony Benn seems alright.

Fizbosshoes · 11/10/2021 18:47

Not those on 150k etc - who pay tax in the normal way... And are basically in the main populus compared to the established elite.

I don't have a problem with people earning 100k or 150k or 200k- i do have a problem with them trying to claim this is an average salary. It really isn't, outside of MN.

SmallWaistFatFace · 11/10/2021 18:52

People hate rich people on Mumsnet because they're moaninc about trivial shit that most people will never be able to afford and acting like it's the end of the world. 'Childcare is so expensive' and then drop they're on a 40% tax bracket which means they're a high earner and it's like, some people don't even have £5 to spend on themselves, get some perspective.

CatsArePeople · 11/10/2021 18:55

its pretty normal to sneer at unearned privilege. like the landed gentry.

Fizbosshoes · 11/10/2021 18:56

@LaetitiaASD

And not only that there is a damn good chance that they think it's all them, not the SAHP, or the luck they've had, it's all their hard work.

^ agree with this. If you look at any threads on high earners its all about how they "worked really hard" or took all the opportunities or took risks.
I don't dispute any of that but often with that might be privilege, luck, natural talent, knowing the right people, being in the right place at the right time etc. I think people don't like to acknowledge that sometimes, because they think it infers they didn't work hard, when actually to become financially successful they worked really hard and had an advantage of some kind.

Blossomtoes · 11/10/2021 18:59

@mustlovegin

Jeff Bezos as an example

JB and the like are not the 'average' wealthy person, he's a billionaire, same as other Silicon Valley entrepreneurs

He’s the richest individual on the planet, isn’t he? Just think of all the good he could do with all that money. I have great respect for wealthy people like Bill Gates who put something back.
Maverickess · 11/10/2021 19:00

I don't care how rich someone is. I care if they've exploited other people to get there, and their attitude towards poorer people.
It's the lazy, scrounging rhetoric while either exploiting others, or quite happy to use services and moan about the cost usually provided by low wage workers while also telling them they wouldn't be poor if they didn't spend it all on booze and fags and got off their arse and did some hard work.
The total lack of awareness and undeserving poor attitude and that they quite likely rely on these low wage jobs in one form or another to get where they are is astonishing in some places.
That and the expectations that only the poorer in society should be socially responsible.

funinthesun19 · 11/10/2021 19:01

when you meet someone how on earth do you know how much money they’ve got? I mean people don’t say to someone they’ve only just met “hello, I’m rich” do they?
If someone said that to me I would be immediately suspicious and think they were a fantasist.*

No they don’t announce it but once you get speaking to someone you get an idea about who they are and it goes from there. Even if they were really nice I’d still feel a bit intimidated.

burritofan · 11/10/2021 19:01

I don’t love to hate (as per your title) rich people. I do it out of duty and moral superiority Grin

Anyway it’s not rich people per se who I (don’t love to) hate. It’s royals, Tories and landlords.

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