AIBU to ask if school get notified automatically if police attend a home address?

[LittleBirdy1]

As above is this an automatic thing? My neighbours are horrendous absolute the most inconsiderate, horrible people you could ever imagine living next door two, both adults are as bed as each other and equally vile to their children but in different ways. Their house is HA mine in privately owned so I have complained to the HA multiple times about them and raised concerns with ring doorbell footage and images about the welfare and treatment of the children, seeing things they openly do in public makes you wonder what is happening when you hear the ear piercing screams of the children inside. I am not the only neighbour to have reported them the family the other side of them and the two houses behind have also raised concerns. The 4 year old has just started school and the police were here 3 times over the weekend for varied reasons and the male tenant was arrested, will school be informed of this so they know to monitor or should I raise my welfare concerns with them via email?

@lannistunut safeguarding is not sticking your nose in

[quote toomuchlaundry]@lannistunut safeguarding is not sticking your nose in[/quote]
It is when you are doing work that professional agencies are already doing.

As I said - if the op has new info they should share it.

Thank you for the reassurance, that I’m not being nosy. There has been so many occasions when I have witnessed things that should not of taken place. Physical and mental abuse

@iannistunut and where can one buy a crystal ball that allows one to know that they already have all the information one knows?

It comes up time and time in SCRs again that a big issue is people not during information because they assumed others had or knew. That one detail could be a huge difference

[quote Mumofsend]@iannistunut and where can one buy a crystal ball that allows one to know that they already have all the information one knows?

It comes up time and time in SCRs again that a big issue is people not during information because they assumed others had or knew. That one detail could be a huge difference[/quote]
I understood the op wants to tell school of the police visits. The police definitely know about the police visits is my point.

If the op wants to tell of other things they've seen, then yes, I would too.

No, we don't even get told when our children are the victims or or perpetrator of a crime.

We've had examples of when our students have been both stabbed and arrested for a stabbing and no one told the school. Don't panic too much, we're not a mainstream school!

In your example police should report any concerns they have when they visit, but they won't tell the school.

It's called Trauma Inform Contact and Care (TICC) in our area.

If you have concerns about a child then you really can't over-communicate.

Ignore the people who are saying you should only call if you're adding something new.

I work in this sector.

If you think there is any chance at all that the police may not have been in contact with the school (and let's face it - there is), then there is never any harm giving them a call to let them know.

Better safe than sorry.

@lannistunut Sorry but you are giving bad advice here.

OP doesn't know what the school have or haven't been informed of.

When it comes to safeguarding, over-communication is always better.

If you tell them something they already know - fine, 30 seconds wasted.

If you tell them something they don't know, you could save a child's life.

The rule is you always communicate.

Why do people have children and then treat them badly 😰.
Poor little ones. Reception age 😰😰

Thanks for helping them OP 💐

@onelittlefrog I feel something has gone wrong tbh if we no longer allow the professionals to do their jobs.

I would always report something I saw which did not already involve a professional agency.

I really don't see it as a regular citizen's place to assume the police are not doing their job and to pass messages about police activity to school.

Ask to speak to the school's Safeguarding Lead - and report your concerns. Good luck

I absolutely see it as a regular citizens responsibility.
So what if it's info they already know?
If they do, then no harm done.
If they don't, well there are lots of sad examples that make the press. "Lessons learned" and all that.

Maybe I’m dense but why not just call social work rather than school or the HA? You could even do it anonymously via NSPCC if you wanted.

@MorriseysGladioli

I absolutely see it as a regular citizens responsibility. So what if it's info they already know? If they do, then no harm done. If they don't, well there are lots of sad examples that make the press. "Lessons learned" and all that.

We are getting into a real mess with this. I don't understand what will be achieved by reporting something you know is already known by a state agency.

But please do report things that happen when agencies are not there, of course.

The police should inform school. However - they are massively understaffed currently and it may take weeks for that info to make it to school. For example, we still waiting to "officially" hear about several serious police incidents that occurred over the summer holidays. Please just contact the school safeguarding lead. It definitely won't do any harm - but might do some real good.

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Social services are always notified when they attend an incident where children are present or when they are called to anything involving a child, in a similar way that Health Visitors are when a child attends A&E.

That's good.
Nobody ever falls through the net then.

As a teacher it’s been drummed into me that safeguarding is everybody’s responsibility. The head will most likely be on the safeguarding team so definitely call or email them. Child protection is often like piecing together parts of a puzzle rather than one big event.

If your area is an Operation Encompass area then in cases of domestic violence the police will aim to have contacted school first thing the next school day - the intention being by the time the child walks into school the relevant staff are aware of disturbance at home to deal with any after effect at school.

As a neighbour you will witness or hear lots of things that the Police won't get called out for. If I were you, each and everytime I was Co cerned about the children I would anonymously report the situation to the NSPCC, they then forward the info to the school and other relevant bodies to build a holistic picture of what support the family needs.

If the police are called to the house for other reasons such as a burglary its still useful for the school to know, as children may need some extra TLC and understanding if they are scared or just stressed about it.

@HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime

As a neighbour you will witness or hear lots of things that the Police won't get called out for. If I were you, each and everytime I was Co cerned about the children I would anonymously report the situation to the NSPCC, they then forward the info to the school and other relevant bodies to build a holistic picture of what support the family needs.

If the police are called to the house for other reasons such as a burglary its still useful for the school to know, as children may need some extra TLC and understanding if they are scared or just stressed about it.

Are you suggesting neighbours should ring school whenever any family in their street is burgled?

We have to stop and reflect a bit I think.

The first para absolutely - neighbours see things agencies do not, this is important info.

Can’t speak for other areas of the UK, but in Wales if police attend a home with children in then they complete a referral known as a CID16 and this goes to Children’s Services. It can take a few days to go through if the children aren’t considered to be at immediate risk. Children’s Services then review this information and decide whether they need to do any further checks in the family, which may include calling school for background information on the child. School may or may not be told about the incident the police attended, it varies case-by-case.

It is absolutely worth sharing your concerns with school, or you can share concerns with Children’s Services directly. Children’s Services contact details should be available on your local council’s website.

If it's not happened already, it's likely all the professionals involved are currently building evidence. A school would be less equipped to manage a concern from a neighbour and would have to pass it to children's services most likely. Children's services are the ones I would contact. NSPCC will forward safeguarding concerns onto them so you can remain anonymous. But concerns from neighbours would help to build up a picture of the families home life for them.