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to think that a roast dinner isn't necessarily an expensive meal to cook?

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Granllanog · 03/10/2021 17:51

Just been chatting to a newish friend, she asked what we were eating today and I said I had cooked a roast chicken dinner........she said she loves a roast but considers it an expensive meal. I asked her what she was having today and she said they were having fresh pizzas from Morrisons (£10).
I told her my roast dinner cost less than that to make!!!

Obviously, if you buy a very expensive cut of meat then the cost will be higher but a roast doesn't have to break the bank surely? Today we had a simple chicken dinner, roast potatoes, roast parsnips, swede, peas, carrots, stuffing and gravy.

Breakdown of today's simple roast
Chicken .........1.4 kg £3.33 (part of a multibuy offer)
Potatoes .......... 30p (taken from a large 7.5 kg bag)
Carrots 25p
Peas (frozen) 30p
swede 45p
parsnips 30p
homemade stuffing 25p onion, fresh herbs, my own breadcrumbs
homemade gravy 10p spoon of flour and some gravy browning

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TemptedToSleepInTheShed · 04/10/2021 18:52

Exactly.
But people on this thread are here to argue unfortunately. As always.

limitedperiodonly · 05/10/2021 11:01

@BoreiPuriHagafen for the first time in many years in the UK people are having to spend a higher proportion of their income on food. That will increase because of the implications of Brexit, the pandemic and other global impacts like the price of oil.

I believe that is not good. You might think it's a price worth paying.

My reasons are that the economic burden will weigh more heavily on the poorest people while the rich won't notice. Which ever way you cut it, that is not fair. I' m not just talking about people who light cigars with £50 notes. The reasonably well-off, not-rolling-in-money types like you and me and many other people on this thread will take the hit without any significant impact on our lives.

It won't lead to higher standards of animal welfare.In fact it will mean poorer ones. It will mean that all us but disproportionately the poorest among us will have proportionately even less money and less choice on what to spend it on. Not just food but other essentials like housing, heating and travel costs to school and work which have already gone up and will only rise further.

It won't be good for the economy because when people have less money to spend on essentials they cut back or delete entirely their spending on non-essentials which leads to shrinkage of the economy and people losing jobs which in turn leads to more people who have to worry about money and feeding themselves.

Price is a powerful tool to force a change in habits. Sometimes it is welcome. Smoking rates have been steadily fallen in the UK since successive governments began to significantly increase duty on tobacco.

It's about 14 per cent on average though some parts of the country and some ethnic or social groups smoke more. To me that is a price worth paying in terms of the savings to the NHS and the reduction of misery that smoking-related illnesses cause. But I would say that because I've never smoked and neither does anyone close to me so it will have only benefits for me.

Using price to force people to change their eating habits makes me uneasier even though I can see human health and animal welfare benefits. It makes me think of people telling lesser people to do as they are told for their own good which conflates with: "this is what we think is good and we're in charge."

I eat meat and vegetarian and vegan food because I like to cook and there are lots of wonderful meat-free meals. But I'd think differently if I had to feed a child who said: "Urggh! It's a chickpea. I want chicken nuggets." Especially if I couldn't afford to throw away food and had to think very carefully about how to get nutrients, particularly protein, into my child.

It doesn't matter how much you earn an hour. Surely anyone can see the difference in price between the OP's Morrisons chicken on offer for £3.33 and a Tesco Finest one for £8.25 you recommended as an alternative. And surely anyone can see the problem for people who don't have £5 to spare.

If you really can't then it's not just cooking lessons they should bring back in schools but budgeting ones. And they should tack an empathy module on to the curriculum while they're at it.

foxgoosefinch · 05/10/2021 12:01

@limitedperiodonly - yes, not that I want to turn it into a Brexit debate — but it was always obvious that the first thing Brexit would do is cause inflation in food prices, energy prices and any essential commodities. It couldn’t not. Obviously I didn’t vote for Brexit. But sadly a lot of people did, even if they were hoodwinked into it by unscrupulous people; and this inflation in food prices could have been entirely averted. The anger about it ought to be directed at the politicians and media and voters who caused it and not at anyone on this thread.

limitedperiodonly · 05/10/2021 12:39

@foxgoosefince I have no desire to turn it into a debate about Brexit either. I was just pointing out to @BoreiPuriHagafen and others like her that that there are many pressures on essential costs that luckily some of us don't have to worry about yet.

LadyDanburysCane · 05/10/2021 13:47

And the meat on a Morrison’s £10 pizza is hand-reared with no battery farming in sight?

To be fair it may have had no meat on it at all……

BUT the thread title says. Roast “isn’t NECESSARILY an expensive meal to cook” and that IS true.

Personally I think a free range chicken and in season veg is still cheaper overall than the pizza option - a chicken honestly DOES do more than one meal for four so if I spend £8 on a free range chicken (current Ocado price) the veg to go with it won’t put the cost much over £10 plus I will have enough meat for at least one more meal.

IsabellesMissingSock · 05/10/2021 13:58

@BritWifeInUSA where does it say the pizza has meat on it?

BoreiPuriHagafen · 05/10/2021 14:51

@limitedperiodonly

It doesn't matter how much you earn an hour. Surely anyone can see the difference in price between the OP's Morrisons chicken on offer for £3.33 and a Tesco Finest one for £8.25 you recommended as an alternative. And surely anyone can see the problem for people who don't have £5 to spare.

I was answering two very specific points.

  1. The poster who said that he/she couldn't afford a £13 chicken. I was pointing out that higher-welfare birds don't, mostly, cost anything like that much.
  1. The same poster who said they couldn't imagine spending more than an hour's wages on a whole chicken.

As for your point about protein - a tin of tuna costs well under £1. A box of eggs, ditto. Cheap cheese ditto. etc. IT's not like the choice is a whole roast chicken every day,or trying to get a child to eat chickpeas out of a tin.

Buying and roasting whole birds is not a budget option and it never has been.

It's a very recent idea to think that something like a whole roast chicken is anything but a luxury. My grandparents, brought up in the East End, hardly ever had meat.

I'm not a vegetarian but I am extremely uncomfortable with the idea that everything should be as cheap as possible and never mind what corners have to be cut to get those prices down. It's not only the animal welfare that is sacrificed. It's human welfare too, and health, and decent working conditions and living conditions (this applies not just to food but to everything).

A whole chicken costing £8 is not an artificial, punitive tax like the tax on cigarettes or alcohol. It reflects the reality of the farming process that gets it there. How can it possibly be financially worthwhile to breed, rear, raise, slaughter, and butcher a whole chicken for £3? What is being sacrificed to get that price?

limitedperiodonly · 05/10/2021 17:30

@BoreiPuriHagafen

The cheapest higher welfare chicken you recommended was nearly £5 more than the Morrisons one bought by the OP and that nearly £5 was more than £1.50 of its total cost. That's potatoes, carrots and peas right there.

£5 is not a lot of money to me and maybe it's not a lot to you. But £5 is a lot of money to a lot of people and not everyone shares your views.

I like tinned tuna but let's not pretend it's as nice as roast chicken. And even though I always buy the dolphin-friendly sort, I'm not entirely sure what happens far out at sea when no one is looking.

We also have to face the fact that many children and even adults will not eat fish. They should, but they won't and short of starving them I can't see a way round it.

Same with eggs. My husband never wants to look at another plate of egg and crinkle cut chips as long as he lives. Me? I love egg and chips but that's because it was a treat when my mum had run out of inspiration, time or more likely budget. But it was his staple diet growing up. His mum is a wonderful woman but they were poor and that's all they could afford. He blames it for the fact that he and his brother are 5ft 8ins and I think he has a point.

He likes huevos rancheros - it's one of his specialities - but lots of people don't have a big cooking repertoire and will never like spicy food so again, I'm not going to force feed them.

My parents also grew up in the East End. It was the 1920s they saw poverty and unfairness. That's why they instilled in me, my brother and my sister that if we did a fair day's work it was our right to have a better standard of living than they did. That was the deal for them going through WWII and some of their friends not coming out the other side.

They also taught us not to do things just because other people thought it was good for us or the right thing to do.

If you don't want to eat cheap chicken or have meat every day that's up to you.

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HarrisMcCoo · 05/10/2021 19:55

limitedperiodonly has nailed it.

Biscoffee · 09/10/2021 14:12

@kateg27

Do some of the people on here not realise that some people can't afford to buy organic meat? Don't you realise a lot of families are struggling to get by. I would never judge somebody for buying a cheap chicken ffs! The important thing is they are feeding their families. Judgemental posts like some of these would make some others feel absolutely rubbish.
Well said.
TertiusLydgate · 09/10/2021 18:24

Of course many people that are skint are going to buy cheap chicken. And many simply don’t consider the cheap meat they’re buying means the bird lead a horrific life.

The government needs to ban the kind of conditions that allow chickens to be produced at low prices. It needs to get all the major supermarkets and associated suppliers to treat livestock humanely and incentivise them to do so. Ban cheap imported meat that doesn’t meet welfare standards.

There are many alternative and healthy foods that are affordable. Cheap chicken is full of fat and water and has limited protein value. Not everything can be afforded by all.

Supermarkets should be trying to find a more sustainable way to give us ethical and affordable meat.

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