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OK, this isn't funny any more. Where's the army?

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Orangejuicemarathoner · 27/09/2021 18:53

One quarter of staff and students late to school this morning, and 10% didn't get there at all. It has been announced that, excepting physical disability, any student within 4 miles or adult within 6 miles will be expected to walk in, but Its expected to be worse tomorrow with a good chance we will be closed by Wednesday.

AA reporting over 100 "incidents" on the road within a 10 mile radius of the school - mostly roads blocked, and mostly by queues outside petrol stations.

I struggled to get home by bike, because of the chaos on the roads - I got off my bike and walked several miles of it.

I called in at a supermarket on the way home. The shelves were more than three quarters empty. No bread or milk. So I'm sitting here drinking black tea planning rice for dinner instead of cheese on toast.

I know its not a catastrophe that I spent an extra hour getting home, and dont have milk in my tea, but what is that saying about the state we are in?

AIBU to say the army should be called in. What have we got an army for? Surely, an organisation of thousands of fit, capable, organised individuals, with vehicles and capacity and skills in logistics is exactly what we need to be utilised in this situation right here right now.

PS, is it ok to feed dog food to cats? does anyone know?

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Blossomtoes · 01/10/2021 19:28

[quote julieca]@Blossomtoes so why bring it up? Having a shortage of sugar because the sugar plantations were selling the sugar to countries that paid more, was hardly a crisis either. And it was very easy to resolve potentially. Pay a fair price.[/quote]
You brought it up. You said there were no food shortages in the 70s. 🤷‍♀️

julieca · 01/10/2021 19:30

@blossomtoes I said the petrol shortage in the 70s did not cause food shortages. And it did not. Its impact overall was less than now.

Orangejuicemarathoner · 01/10/2021 19:38

@MarshaBradyo

I’m SE London and don’t recognise it!

We did have queues for petrol yes, but PT fine, litter collection fine, no power cuts, food delivery fine, and GP was fine but haven’t tried recently

and another poster said this 3 hours ago..

My part of SE London has reached crisis point

I guess what we have seen on this thread is that it is incredibly localised, there can be massive disruption and normal life in very close proximity

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MarshaBradyo · 01/10/2021 19:41

It must be

I did see the op comment - I think they meant the petrol situation specifically? We did have one side of a road blocked by a queue which obviously meant traffic was an issue

I find the power outages interesting - we’ve not had one. And also litter collection is fine

Maybe some LAs are struggling for latter but to have multiple outages maybe different supplier?

It feels so normal here atm esp after all the disruption last year with food etc

Dave20 · 01/10/2021 21:01

Not my post but one I’ve found from an ex hgv driver. Makes valid points.

Even if I didn't have a full-time job and was struggling for cash, I don't think I'd want to return to doing this. Even in 2001-2003 when I used to work part time for Driver Hire in Wokingham, the hours were totally unsociable, the conditions were poor. Truck stops were expensive, both the food and parking. People treated you like absolute dog-toffee, especially if you were late because - you know - the traffic is all your fault. My name was "oi driver!" for most pick ups and drop offs.

As for the pay... Imagine my surprise to discover the rates of pay are still pretty much the same, nearly 20 years later. And I imagine the conditions haven't improved much either.

Perhaps if the haulage firms (and other so-called low skilled industries) had have treated people better in the first place and not like some expendable asset who didn't matter because they were already rubbing their hands at the thought of exploiting people from another poor EU country about to gain free movement in the UK - then maybe they wouldn't be in the mess they're in right now.

People often say Brexit caused this; I'm inclined to agree from a certain POV. More accurately, I'd say it exposed it. When you see hard working guys washing cars all day long on a promise of opportunity far from their homelands and learn some are being paid £15 for the day, whilst living 10 people to a squalid 3-bed mid terrace and getting fleeced left right and centre, it should spur anyone into taking action. But with half the country seemingly resenting them for being here and the other half happy to continue supporting such exploitation, you can't help think that Covid, DVLA testing backlog and Brexit combining to put a stop to it is actually a blessing in disguise (in some ways), for them at least.

But nobody cares about that do they? Too busy blaming people, demanding "where's my petrol", playing "who's the more important key worker? ".

Biased MSM have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons in causing the panic we're seeing on the forecourts right now. Last Thursday things were relatively calm. By Friday lunchtime they had descended onto chaos, with the MSM gleefully interviewing transport reps, politicians et al later that night asking how much Brexit is to blame. Just once I wanted one of them to say, "you are, Burley! You, the BBC, The Daily Mail, The Sun, ITV News and the rest of the MSM for fuelling the panic which has put lives at risk and brought a nation to its knees, just so you can high-five each other in your trendy London bars later that night at your whopping viewing figures and newspaper sales".

5,000 temporary visas for drivers isn't going to solve this. 5,500 temporary visas for poultry workers isn't going to solve this either. There are shortages all over - why on earth would anyone want to come back to a country which either didn't welcome them, or were happy to exploit them?

The only way through this is to start pointing the finger at where it all began. Greedy industries putting profit over their workers' wellbeing. Because without purpose, without feeling valued and without a sense of belonging - we are nothing. And no amount of money will change that.

The trouble with that? The costs will simply be passed onto the consumer. And the finger pointing and division starts all over again.

Orangejuicemarathoner · 01/10/2021 21:22

very interesting @Dave20

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Tealightsandd · 01/10/2021 21:28

Very good post Dave20

Coogee · 01/10/2021 23:08

I dont know about you, but I get through most normal autumns and winters without experiencing any

We get them all the time. Autumn, winter spring and summer. They sometimes used to last hours but have been very short for the last few years.

marieantoinehairnet · 02/10/2021 07:45

@Orangejuicemarathoner

I don't own a car or drive, but I cant get around because of the massive disruption to the bus service.

Public transport failing

Power cuts, particularly disruptive when we have to teach online

Roads blocked

Abandoned cars

Empty shelves in shops, some products missing for weeks, some missing for days on and off.

Bins have not been regularly emptied for several months. They were in fact emptied today, for the first time in more than 3 weeks, but 3-4 weeks between emptying is now fairly normal, as is not knowing if and when they are coming next.

Recycling? I think the whole premise has been abandoned completely

Gps cant order blood tests any more. Other medicine and medical supplies in short supply.

And no one knows whats coming next

Don't tell me its hyperbole to call this a crisis.

You must live near me as I'm also experiencing all of this, it is happening, even if it's not happening in Putney or Barnes or some other such rich persons backyard
RaoulDufysCat · 02/10/2021 18:16

I am not far from Putney and Barnes and we have fuel shortages, products out of stock for weeks, blood test problems and difficulties with bins being emptied. Plus recycling collections have been really hit and miss. There is definite traffic/transport disruption with all the queues for fuel.

Blossomtoes · 02/10/2021 18:37

None of that’s happening here. All our petrol stations are operating normally, bins never stopped being emptied, no power cuts - we haven’t had one for literally years - and my bloke had seven blood samples taken last week. How very strange that it’s chaos in Putney and there’s nothing about it in the media.

Sloth66 · 02/10/2021 18:42

Pretty horrendous where I am, I haven’t been able to buy petrol since Monday.
I tried 6 petrol stations just yesterday, all were empty.
Tank now near empty, and I work in the community, so need a car.

FanGirlX · 02/10/2021 18:45

@RaoulDufysCat

I am not far from Putney and Barnes and we have fuel shortages, products out of stock for weeks, blood test problems and difficulties with bins being emptied. Plus recycling collections have been really hit and miss. There is definite traffic/transport disruption with all the queues for fuel.
This is just in London / SE though, it isn't happening in the NW.
Tealightsandd · 02/10/2021 20:31

This is just in London / SE though, it isn't happening in the NW.

Well then it's a big deal. Given that a significant proportion of the UK population is in the south east.

Yet another (negative for the south) consequence of the north/south divide aka cramming half the country into one relatively small part of the country. It's already caused the public health housing and homelessness emergency. And now, the greater strain on infrastructure and being worse affected by shortages of essentials.

Tealightsandd · 02/10/2021 20:34

Separate from demographics, the rest of the country isn't being attacked by Insulate Britain.

No wonder the fuel shortages are worse in the south east. The M25 is being repeatedly blocked by the Insulate mob.

Blossomtoes · 02/10/2021 20:40

@Tealightsandd

Separate from demographics, the rest of the country isn't being attacked by Insulate Britain.

No wonder the fuel shortages are worse in the south east. The M25 is being repeatedly blocked by the Insulate mob.

I doubt that a small number of idiots gluing themselves to a tiny section of the M25 are causing the major disruption described on this thread.
Tealightsandd · 02/10/2021 20:44

They're going some way towards contributing to it.

Blocking the M25 day after day is bound to have an impact on delivery of fuel (and other supplies).

Shirazboobaloo · 02/10/2021 21:01

@Tealightsandd

"Well then it's a big deal. Given that a significant proportion of the UK population is in the south east. Yet another (negative for the south) consequence of the north/south divide aka cramming half the country into one relatively small part of the country. It's already caused the public health housing and homelessness emergency. And now, the greater strain on infrastructure and being worse affected by shortages of essentials."

You lot did the cramming - with your negative "oop North" comments and electoral voting patterns and still you selfishly think the world resolves around you.

Cos no one else aside from your precious South East brigade suffer homelessness, poor transport, bad access to health care, poor educational outcomes and inequalities?

This is still an issue in the North but go ahead make it about you - FFS!!

WalkingOnTheCracks · 02/10/2021 21:01

@shauabs

What a massive overreaction. Our local petrol station was open today, no issues, very small queue. I had a full ASDA shop delivered on Saturday, one substitution for cereal 🙄 Threads like this just fuel the ridiculous behaviour.
So you reckon that those of us who can’t find petrol in our areas, and who have seen shortages in shops are overreacting when we note that we can’t find petrol in our areas, and that we have seen shortages in shops?
Marguerite2000 · 02/10/2021 21:08

@Tealightsandd

This is just in London / SE though, it isn't happening in the NW.

Well then it's a big deal. Given that a significant proportion of the UK population is in the south east.

Yet another (negative for the south) consequence of the north/south divide aka cramming half the country into one relatively small part of the country. It's already caused the public health housing and homelessness emergency. And now, the greater strain on infrastructure and being worse affected by shortages of essentials.

It's not happening in all the SE even. Life is completely normal where I live.
Tealightsandd · 02/10/2021 21:30

You lot did the cramming - with your negative "oop North" comments and electoral voting patterns and still you selfishly think the world resolves around you.

Pot kettle. The negative comments aren't coming from Londoners or southerners. Except for a very recent small amount of tackling ignorant bigotry of the likes of your comments.

London and the south east get a double whammy. To paraphrase reporting on the 'London exodus', the south east has been for years 'flooded' with people from the rest of the UK, pricing out locals. Hence the (provable) highest amount of homelessness in the country (by far). London is the capital of homelessness, with 165,000 homeless people. More than the entire population of many UK towns.

Empathy from the rest of the UK? Oh no! They actually resent and envy such life destroying consequences of the 'investment'.

Then when the news reports accurately on further negative consequences of the 'investment, people elsewhere resent that too. I mean, talk about bitter bigotry. Apparently bearing the brunt of a fuel crisis and shortage of essentials is 'thinking the world revolves around them'. Oh dear.

Peaseblossum22 · 02/10/2021 21:32

Well it’s not normal in coastalEast Anglia , drove past 5 fuel stations in 10 miles today , no fuel anywhere, arrived at the supermarket stocks were actually slightly better than recently , probably because the carpark was empty. Spent some time reassuring an elderly gentleman in our village whose wife has dementia and can’t be left that there would soon be fuel and if he needed anything just to call. I thought he was going to cry when he said he just couldn’t cope with anything else going wrong. Sad

Tealightsandd · 02/10/2021 21:39

Cos no one else aside from your precious South East brigade suffer homelessness, poor transport, bad access to health care, poor educational outcomes and inequalities?

Who said otherwise? I was addressing the false narrative, so often pushed by government and media as a divide and rule, and distraction tactic, that it is worse in the north.

It is a problem across the UK, yes, but it's a fact that the very worst of it is in London (and to a lesser extent, the rest of the south east). London is the capital of homelessness by quite some way. Two thirds of England's homeless families are in London.

PeriChristmas · 02/10/2021 21:43

Haven't been able to buy petrol for a week. In London. It's getting quite tense!

Tealightsandd · 02/10/2021 21:45

@Peaseblossum22

That poor man.

The government is getting the army in to help from Monday, I think? I hope that getting essential supplies and support to the vulnerable (wherever they are in the country) is prioritised. The elderly, disabled, carers, people needing to get to hospital.