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Who’s to blame for panic buying?

157 replies

HeechulOppa · 25/09/2021 09:54

Just wondering that really. Media or the people (or the twats in power)? Personally I think it’s the media (and the government for engineering the situations sometimes). I honestly can’t find it in myself to blame people - let’s face it, no matter how much you may believe in not panic buying, no matter how much you might believe in not contributing to the problem, it’s very very hard to stand back while everyone else buys things that are running out so quickly. So what do you do? If you don’t buy the item you know in your heart it will run out and, as these items are generally high importance (fuel, loo roll) you will probably be stuffed. If you do buy then you’re contributing to the problem. And whilst it’s also largely made worse by people buying more than they need, that level of thinking is usually entirely justifiable when you consider the hassle you go through and, quite frankly, the fear that supplies will take a while to return to normal so ‘best get some more to tide you over’.

Obviously slightly different with people who buy enough to keep them stocked for months.

It’s a pickle. And I don’t drive so don’t have a vested interest in fuel shortages for myself, but completely understand why people might panic there.

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FreeBritnee · 25/09/2021 12:09

It’s the media every ticking time. They walked us into Brexit. They walked us into panic buying food and the huge amount of waste that then ensued. They’ve walked us into a fuel shortage that will undoubtedly lead to deaths and more food shortages. They are utter click bait scumbags.

OrangeTortoise · 25/09/2021 12:12

For the people saying they blame the media - what solution do you suggest? Newspapers can write stories about whatever they like. While I definitely agree that media stories have contributed towards the current situation, I would be strongly against any suggestion of media censorship. So how can you avoid this happening?

The government, on the other hand, knew this was coming and could have tried to take steps to avoid it. So I feel that more of the blame must lie there.

Thirtyrock39 · 25/09/2021 12:13

Two papers yesterday had front pages with a petrol pump and the headlines 'running on empty' . I drive a lot for work and so was conscious of needing to fill up (warning light was on ) and motorways services was quiet but expensive (at 10am think in hidsighr I was very lucky) when I got back to my base I mentioned to a few colleagues that I'd stopped to get fuel and it seemed ok 'despite what the papers are saying' and they didn't know what I was on about but then all went to get petrol themselves as were all also low 🤦‍♀️with lots of appointments to drive too so it's a vicious circle and we do rely on our cars so much. I don't think people are doing it to be selfish

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2021 12:15
  1. Its been made clear for a number of years that supply chain shock was likely due to market uncertainity and the inability of business to plan because the government haven't manage to get firm long term trade agreements in place. So government lack of understanding of logistics and business planning has to go top of the list. HGV drivers need to be top of the list of things you think of when you think of logistics - you are short of everything if you don't have enough of them.

  2. Fragility of the employment market for HGV - namely poor pay and working conditions. This has been driven by market forces so thats business and the public. And there's not been any oversight about national security issues stemming from that, which should have been a government concern (see point 1)

  3. Covid added to market fragility. Working from home, drove up demand for deliveries and delivery drivers. Whilst at the same time working from home led to a drop in fuel useage. Fuel firms needs to satisfy less demand so will have laid off drivers or drivers have left for better paid jobs. This lack of driver retention by petrol and diesel suppliers has meant when demand has increased as people have returned to work, they've been unable to meet that demand. Thats then driven the current panic. Petrol and diesel come above a lack of HGV drivers in terms of what you need to get goods from one place to another. Again another national security related issue. (See points 1 and 2)

  4. The complexity and the interlinking of businesses mean that a problem in one area, ripples through and gets increasing worse leading to a crisis point which can be difficult to resolve. Realistically government should have civil contigence planning for things of national importance such as food and fuel security. It appears there is a certain lack of this. Long supply chains without multiple alternatives are more vulnerable to problems than short ones with multiple sources. So outsourcing abroad and moving further from self sufficiency makes us more vulnerable. Thats strategic planning and politics. But its also driven by desire for low costs. (Thats points 1 to 3 summed up in terms of national security issues)

  5. I think there is a good argument here for issues about moving business and manufacturing abroad being a much bigger issue than immigrants 'taking all our jobs'. A cycle of outsourcing as employment moves abroad to exploit lower regulation and lower wages has fueled unemployment and poverty here. Public desire for rock bottom prices is in no small part due to high levels of inequality and poverty. Ultimately government is responsible for not addressing this over a long period. Nor do you resolve that by deregulating here which is being pitched, if your largest export market still requires those standards and protects against exploitation. You perhaps look at the exploitation and you value your domestic workers more because they offer greater national security. Again, a public, business and government issue.

  6. However it is pretty clear that the biggest issue is the conflict of interest between government and business leaders who have for many decades, disregarded and ignored the issue of domestic security issues such as food, fuel and health security. And the public have taken it for granted that the government is there to serve them first and not the interests of big businesses. In reality there should be a sweet spot to balance the needs of all three which are the basis of economic and political stability.

The following has just been point out to me by an old MN friend:

Emergency Food Reserves
German national food reserves are calculated for 84 million people for 6 weeks, totalling 800,000 metric tons.

Stored in ~150 huge warehouses around the country.

Contrast to the UK where successive govts cba about food reserves:
evaq8.co.uk/FoodSecurity.html

Almost unbelievable irresponsibility 🤬

House of Commons Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee, Food security; Second Report of Session 2014–15
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmenvfru/243/243.pdf

"The United Kingdom holds no strategic food reserves [wtf !]

and overall reserves run to just a few days.

Responsibility falls on farmers and supermarkets: 🤬 [wtf !]

Levels of self-sufficiency in fruit and vegetables have fallen the most,

and farmers should seek to extend the seasonal production of fresh fruit and vegetables "

Conclusion
Let me put it another way. If we were to have a real major disaster - particularly in a major city - on the scale that many countries around the world do experience regularly, we could well be begging for help from the UN for the very basics.

We are just one major crisis away from civil breakdown. If it happened we would see wide spread civil unrest as well as food shortages.

That very much is a government issue. The buck must stop with government. What are the government for, if it is not to protect the national interest in terms of food, fuel and health security? It does not serve the interests of anyone but the most wealthy if it doesn't consider these seriously

With that in mind, those who can might well be advised to consider how they could cope if the shops did close for a fortnight.

The fragility of where we are, isn't being stated anywhere near as strongly as it should be.

It is deeply, deeply troubling.

AmericanTie · 25/09/2021 12:15

Government.

That's why we're short.

Unfashionable · 25/09/2021 12:18

At an individual level panic buying is a completely rational response for people who are entirely dependent on their cars when the supply of fuel is threatened. This isn’t a case of stockpiling several months’ supply of pasta or loo roll. My car’s tank only holds a week’s worth of fuel.

Unfortunately, the problems start when millions of other people also make the same rational decision at the same time....

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2021 12:18

The media, btw are the link between the public and government. They are supposed to hold power to account. The media can not survive unless it represents the worries and concerns of the public, because it can not make money (either from sales or advertising or support for the service). It might be ownered by the rich, but it isn't profitable unless it reflects the masses and their concerns.

The media reporting shortages are reflecting issues and highlighting lack of government planning and oversight to prevent problems which is supposed to be their role in protecting the national interest..

trappedsincesundaymorn · 25/09/2021 12:19

The only people responsible for panic buying are those that panic buy.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2021 12:20

(Crucial point: The media are not creating the underlying structural issue. They aren't responsible for strategic planning and ensuring there is a contigency plan if there is an emerging crisis)

waybill · 25/09/2021 12:20

People were told not to panic buy.

They were told that if they did, then we would run out.

They were told that if they didn't, there would be enough to go round until the backlog of deliveries was sorted out.

But typically, Joe Public couldn't give a shit about anything as long as they are all right, and damn everyone else.

There you go.

tenredthings · 25/09/2021 12:24

Unpopular opinion but unless we find a way to use less petrol the problems we are facing now will seem like nothing compared to the tsunami of problems climate change is bringing. Rather than finding more drivers we need to look at reducing the supply chains.

The Tories don't give a fuck about the future and I think creating managed bubbles of panic in the population is a useful tool for keeping the masses inline.

Zeal · 25/09/2021 12:24

People. We all have choices.

Same with climate change. Corporates will only produce things that people want. Buy plastic wrapped fruit and veg and it will always be there.

Prisoners’ Dilemma.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2021 12:25

During the last 18 months the government has more or less stressed the point that we are all responsible for ourselves in someway during various points in the pandemic.

They've actively abdicated responsibility repeatedly when they should have stepped up and admitted failures and were certainly found wanting on civil contigency planning when it came to PPE. They could only be reactionary rather than proactive - which had a mass casualties as a result.

You are either a fool or you are poor if you don't listen to this messaging loud and clear.

(And I stress that I don't believe that this is a Tory party problem alone).

MatildaIThink · 25/09/2021 12:28

[quote DrManhattan]@MatildaIThink
When this government say not to do something automatically people do it because they don't trust them.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Because Boris said it wouldn't[/quote]
That is a poor excuse. I don't trust the government on a lot of things, but there is enough information to see what the structural issue are here and that the only reason there anything more than isolated issues at the moment is the idiotic panic buyers.

TheGoogleMum · 25/09/2021 12:31

I blame the media. There must be an element of panic buying if everyone happened to need petrol now it would always be this busy, but I've only seen 1 post on social media where they claimed they saw someone filling up Jerry cans (this is the sort of thing they shouldn't allow at the moment!). I also like the minimum spend suggestions! I did fill up yesterday but even without low stocks would have definitely filled up yesterday or today, the thing is most people are saying the same thing!

NantesElephant · 25/09/2021 12:33

There are multiple reasons for the situation. Blame the government for mismanaging and creating the supply problems in the first place, blame Brexit voters, the pandemic and the media.

Some individuals put their personal ‘freedom’ ahead of the needs of others, so keep everything topped up ‘just in case’ they decide to go for a last minute trip. Then the car sits on their driveway with a full tank all weekend whilst someone else is panicking about not being able to get to work on Monday, because they habitually fill up on a Sunday night and the fuel tanker couldn’t replenish the petrol station.

And some people it has to be said are disorganized. If you absolutely need your car for a vital purpose, why let the tank fall below half at any time?

DrManhattan · 25/09/2021 12:35

@MatildaIThink
It might be a poor excuse but it's alot of people's reality.

Gingernaut · 25/09/2021 12:35

We are.

The media aren't putting a gun to our heads and forcing us to act like twats.

The same morons who stockpiled toilet paper are depleting filling stations now.

Timeforachangetoday12 · 25/09/2021 12:38

I’m blame the media.
I also blame the government - it’s more around peoples mistrust of the government. This is being shown by people panic buying!!!

I wish petrol stations put a limit in place and stopped the cans being filled (that really drives me mad!) I remember seeing photos last year the ships full with fuel with no one buying it …convenient that now the petrol stations can whack the prices up and make a lot of money :( just wish people could see the bigger picture (they putting a lot of money in someone’s pocket and probably they not paying tax on it!!)

Yet again people who can’t afford to fill there car up are affected again!! Same as panic buyers shopping - cause and effect :(

It does make me sad that some British people think like this - make sure they ok and forget about who is the affected by their selfish choices.

purdypuma · 25/09/2021 12:42

Everybody is part of the problem, myself included but the problem is not a shortage of fuel but a lack of drivers to get it to the consumer. You can have all the fuel in the world available but its no good if you can't get it to the customer.

I was at Tesco near to us from 05.45 this morning as I literally had 26 miles left, having used 52 miles for work purposes alone yesterday & I can get through a full tank in a week. I put in a full tank to be on the safe side by the time I left the queues were getting bad.

I'm sure that I'm not alone in having no choice other than to be part of the problem as I use my car for work & can't run the risk of not being able to do my job.

FOJN · 25/09/2021 12:44

The idiots who think the UK is Bartertown. If most posters here can spot the sensationalist headlines then so can everyone else. We've been told there is no fuel shortage it's a delivery issue which will be resolved with a little time.

Not being able to get to work will be the least of everyone's worries if supermarkets can't get fuel for delivery lorries, emergency services can't fuel vehicles etc. I'm more worried about the, "every person for themselves" attitude than lack of fuel.

HungryHippo11 · 25/09/2021 12:44

@TeenMinusTests

I think in cases like this they shouldn't let anyone who is more than say 1/4 full fill up. So not limit to £30 per customer, but but only let people who are running low fill up.
The problem is, who would police this? Do we expect petrol station workers on minimum wage to come out and look at each customers fuel gauge and determine whether they are running low? And if they're not, send them home? I give it ten minutes before that person is being abused by an angry customer who needs more than 1/4 tank of fuel.

£30 limit per customer would be easier as they could presumably programme the pumps to stop after a certain limit. But many people would just go round again, or to the next petrol station and get a second helping.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2021 12:48

I'm sure that I'm not alone in having no choice other than to be part of the problem as I use my car for work & can't run the risk of not being able to do my job.

Indeed.

Those saying the word 'selfish', either don't rely on petrol (having a short commute if they do drive), can work from home or had a full tank of petrol already.

I haven't been near a petrol station over the last few days.

I absoluetely do not blame anyone filling up though. What exactly are they supposed to do differently? I did it in previous shortages because it was essential I got to work. If I didn't, I wouldn't have a job to go back to.

This 'selfish' thing is a great big pile of hairy bollocks and I think people saying it, are doing so from a position where its not a concern for them to begin with.

TeenMinusTests · 25/09/2021 12:48

The problem is, who would police this? Do we expect petrol station workers on minimum wage to come out and look at each customers fuel gauge and determine whether they are running low?

I was only a child in the 70s, but I have vague recollections of precisely that - people in queues being turned away as they weren't low enough. Could well be making it up though.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2021 12:52

@FOJN

The idiots who think the UK is Bartertown. If most posters here can spot the sensationalist headlines then so can everyone else. We've been told there is no fuel shortage it's a delivery issue which will be resolved with a little time.

Not being able to get to work will be the least of everyone's worries if supermarkets can't get fuel for delivery lorries, emergency services can't fuel vehicles etc. I'm more worried about the, "every person for themselves" attitude than lack of fuel.

That attitude has come from realising, no other fucker is going to look after you if shit hits the fan. Thats come from the very top in terms of failure to look after the public, not from the public mentality itself.

Thats the scary bit.