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To discuss the staffing crisis in maternity care

42 replies

BanginChoons · 20/09/2021 17:39

May I please bring your attention to this very important issue.
The Royal College of Midwives has estimated that the maternity services are 3500 midwives short and this number is rapidly growing. The pressure midwives are under is immense and this is resulting in exhaustion, burnout, and many leaving the profession altogether. Those of us that remain often find ourselves doing the work of 2 people. As hard as we try to keep up our standard of care, this impacts on our patients. We need to keep the momentum moving on this petition. Please sign and share.
www.change.org/p/sajidjavid-support-urgent-government-investment-into-maternity-services-to-solve-the-staffing-crisis?recruiter=71370710&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=a3628960-5887-11e3-a0b8-0f5e34c0ac3f&utm_content=fht-30710057-en-gb%3A0

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ThreeLittleDots · 22/09/2021 22:02

If you haven't got the stamina to do the training, then you won't have the stamina to do the job

Midwifery is highly competitive to get into, yet all cohorts have tons of people dropping out as a result of the harsh conditions both during training, and they see that it's no better after qualification too.

No, burnt-out students won't have the stamina to do the job. The system breaks them before they get a chance. It all needs to change.

It's financially tough but it's the bullying, demoralisation, lack of support from colleagues and exhaustion that gets you.

Bythehairywartsonmywitchychin · 22/09/2021 22:09

@ThreeLittleDots

If you haven't got the stamina to do the training, then you won't have the stamina to do the job

Midwifery is highly competitive to get into, yet all cohorts have tons of people dropping out as a result of the harsh conditions both during training, and they see that it's no better after qualification too.

No, burnt-out students won't have the stamina to do the job. The system breaks them before they get a chance. It all needs to change.

It's financially tough but it's the bullying, demoralisation, lack of support from colleagues and exhaustion that gets you.

Agreed! I was a student midwife almost due to qualify. I left mainly due to bullying and unsupportive mentors/midwives, and not because I couldn’t or didn’t want to do the job. I was an anxious mess after every shift. The NHS/government need to look at why students leave….
ThreeLittleDots · 22/09/2021 22:15

Yup. I think a trust-based apprenticeship model would be better, whilst being taught and supported by mentors who actually want to do it - as opposed to running away from their allocated student for the day :(

Lightswitch123 · 22/09/2021 22:18

@hibbledibble

Signed.

I think most people don't know how bad the staffing crisis is. Not just for midwives, but more broadly in the NHS.

Agreed .

Massive mistake to change nursing and midwifery into degrees with tuition fees etc.

Massive mistake to erode pay and working conditions for doctors and nurses to the point where no sane person with a brain enters the profession

CovidCorvid · 22/09/2021 22:20

@LaurieFairyCake

Like anything they need to PAY people to do it.

No tuition fees and a living wage bursary each year and people would flock to it.

People are flocking to it. I’m a midwifery lecturer, I could fill the course 10x over. Don’t get me wrong I wish there were no fees and a better bursary but that isn’t stopping people from training. Recruitment isn’t the issue, sadly retention is. And needs urgently looking at but the govt take no notice. And we can’t train more students than we currently do due to placement capacity…you can only have so many students on each shift.
CorpusCallosum · 22/09/2021 22:21

Signed. As a pregnant woman the state of maternity care is a real concern. Any changes will be too late for me and this baby but thousands of women, and eventually maybe my daughter, depend on good decisions being made now.

BoogieFeet · 22/09/2021 22:25

Signed.

Bythehairywartsonmywitchychin · 22/09/2021 22:44

@ThreeLittleDots

Yup. I think a trust-based apprenticeship model would be better, whilst being taught and supported by mentors who actually want to do it - as opposed to running away from their allocated student for the day :(
Absolutely! Oh the stories I could tell……
ThreeLittleDots · 22/09/2021 22:49

Such a fucking shame. There's only so long you can stand it. I also left in 3rd year.

ThreeLittleDots · 22/09/2021 22:50

And left again in 1st year 20 years later as nothing much had changed!

Kite22 · 22/09/2021 22:52

It's obvious, but it's worth stating that retention is just as important as recruitment. Working terms and conditions need to be improved in order to retain staff. Retention is very poor currently, including in midwifery.

This ^
Government after government ALWAYS try and solve staffing crises by recruiting and NEVER think of looking at why staff leave. Same in Nursing . Same in teaching.

MintyGreenDream · 22/09/2021 22:55

Why is it such a toxic environment to work in? Just wondering and being nosey

Bythehairywartsonmywitchychin · 22/09/2021 23:31

@MintyGreenDream

Why is it such a toxic environment to work in? Just wondering and being nosey
I think part of the issue is due to stress. MWs have a big case load due to lack of staff, don’t get the breaks they should and often don’t get chance to eat or even go to the toilet. They are always on high alert as things can and do go wrong. Basically they have the lives of women and babies in their hands, so there’s the constant fear of being struck off. And on top of that the mountain of paper work and form filling. Oh, and there’s students to mentor….

As a student midwife I understood the pressure they are under, however students feel that pressure too, and on top of studying.

I was once told off for going to the toilet, even though my mentor had left me alone with a woman for hours whilst she had gone for a sleep during a night shift. She was told by the midwife in charge to go for a sleep because she had a headache. She had a headache because she’d done a bank shift the day before…. I was literally gone a few seconds and told someone. I think I was on my period and had flooded….

I think some MWs also bully to make themselves perhaps feel powerful and do it to cope with stress and the workload.

I was also accused of doing something I hadn’t done by a mentor, I had to get uni involved. Turns out the MW had mixed me up with another student, but yet she was calling me incompetent!

Bythehairywartsonmywitchychin · 22/09/2021 23:37

And part of the issue is that Midwifery is mostly women. Women can be complete bitches. Also I think some are so burnt out they’ve lost any sense of compassion for their work colleagues and the woman and babies they care for.

Bythehairywartsonmywitchychin · 22/09/2021 23:38

@ThreeLittleDots I’m sorry it’s happened to you too. 💩 isn’t it!

poppinpink · 23/09/2021 00:04

Signed. I too would of liked to train as a mw and have thought about it on and off over the past couple of years but unfortunately stories like these put me right off.

Susannahmoody · 23/09/2021 00:11

If you haven't got the stamina to do the training, then you won't have the stamina to do the job.

^

So that needs to change? Surely?

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