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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that my sister isn't a very nice person?

19 replies

Ilovetheweekend · 18/09/2021 22:46

This is going to be a bit longer, so please be patient with me.
I am from a different European country and have lived in the UK for many years.
I have a partner and a 13 month old and I'm currently 4 months pregnant with my second.
My sister still lives in my home country. My mother is wealthy (but not superrich) and my sister lives in one of my my mother's apartments for free.
My sister has a 5-year old son with her husband and a baby girl that is just over 4 months old with her boyfriend.

The reason for her "cheating" is because her husband treated her quite badly after my nephew was born. He refused to move into her apartment after the birth and insisted to continue to live in his apartment which is only 5 minutes walk away from the hospital he works in. He said that it would be too long of a commute in the morning from my sister's place. So he only ever spent the weekend at my sister's place and comes to visit on a Wednesday. On the day he is there, he doesn't really spend as much time as he should with his child. He uses the weekend to go cycling or use his motorbike. Nevertheless, my nephew is very attached to him.
He earns quite well, but he keeps my sister on a short "financial leash". I think he only gives her 300 Euros a month. If they divorced, he would have to pay her much more.
He also disrespects her and called her fat after giving birth.
My sister has a part time job, in which she only earns 900-1000 Euros a month.
But because she has low expenses and no mortgage or rent money, she is still able to save a few hundred Euros a month.
Child benefit is also very generous in my country.
She also eats for free everyday at my mother's place. My mother looked after my nephew when my sister was working for the first three years of his life.
When he started nursery part-time at the age of 3, my mother still looked after him in the afternoon so that my sister can nap after coming home from work. My mother also very often showers him in the evening.
My mother lives in the apartment above my sister.
When my nephew was 1, my sister started seeing her boyfriend. I can totally understand why she did it, he treated her badly and bsaiclly abandoned her after giving birth. Her husband went ballistic when he found out. He doesn't allow my nephew to spend anytime with her boyfriend, because he says her boyfriend is a pedophile (of course he isn't, he just says that because he is bitter).
My sister still refuses to divorce her husband. Her husband has a key to her flat and still hangs out there. Her boyfriend moved into a house close to my sister's place. He would like to move in with my sister and lead a normal family life. But my sister doesn't take the steps to let that happen.
So that's why she brings their daughter to his place every day so that he can see her.
My mother thinks that my sister is scared of her husband, as he threatened he will ruin her financially if she goes for a divorce.
I don't see my sister as a victim though. My sister once told me it's clever to be married to her husband because she will get his pension if he dies before her. For information, her husband's job is well paid, whereas her boyfriend works in a warehouse. She also eats breakfast with her husband on the weekend and although they fight a lot, I saw them sitting in quite a familiar way on her sofa on a Saturday night last time I visited, chatting like an old couple.
I feel sorry for her boyfriend, because he has lots of pictures of my sister at his place and I think he genuinely loves her. I always jokingly say to my mother that his whole place seems to be shrine for my sister.

I find my sister very selfish. I think neither her or her husband have a very good character. When my son was born, my mother came over to help me. It's only 1 1/2 hours by plane and my mother was still able to travel despite the pandemic at that time. My sister was massively pissed off about my mother coming over and helping me. My mother ended up staying 7 weeks because I lost over 2 litres of blood during birth and I was very weak. The longer my mother stayed, the angrier my sister got. She apparently said to my mother about me: "Why are you helping her, she's got nothing to do with our life". It's not like she didn't have childcare when my mother stayed with me. My father massively helped with my nephew in this time.
My mother also sometimes gives my nephew presents or buys him clothes or even pays for a holiday for him, as she thinks my sister can't afford it. When my son was born, my mother started writing down the amount of money she spends on my nephew. She says she has to give the same to my son, because otherwise it would be unfair. My sister doesn't like that either. She says: "You shouldn't give anything to her, she has a partner that earns well".
When my sister came over to visit 2 years ago over Christmas, my nephew was still toilet training. We were in the city centre and he had an accident and didn't wear a nappy, so he peed himself. My sister got angry because he didn't tell her he had to go to the toilet. She didn't have replacement trousers for him with her, so she forced him to walk around in wet trousers. I felt sorry for him, so I went into Primark to purchase new trousers for him. She never gave me the money for it. She said that I could buy new trousers for him, but she won't.
We also went to Thomas Land in Drayton Manor. We went to one of the children's casinos and we had lots of fun in there. In the end I ran out of cash so I asked my sister if she had a spare pound for me. My sister gave it to me, but she got angry in the face and said: "Can you get something for my son then? What will you buy for him?" I was really shocked, as I only asked for a pound and I had already spent hundreds of pounds on my nephew in presents since he was born.

When I criricize my sister's behaviour in front of my mother, she agrees to an extent, but then always sticks up for her. She says that I should "have more mercy with her". She says that my sister is this way because our father walked out on us as children. My mother and father made up a couple of years ago and now live together again as friends, not as a couple though.

She's 31 and I am 34. So I think it's a cheap excuse to use our childhood experiences as an explanation for her behaviour.

AIBU to think that my sister isn't a victim, but hasn't got a very good character and isn't a very nice person?

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robynrey23 · 18/09/2021 22:53

I think you are right

Aquamarine1029 · 18/09/2021 22:57

I think you expend far too much energy thinking about your sister and her choices. Let her live her life and you can live yours, from a great distance, preferably. Just because you're sisters doesn't mean you'll ever get on, you're simply very different people.

Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 18/09/2021 23:01

Your sister does sound a bit of a selfish person OP. It sounds like she's only out for what she can get from everyone, and gives very little, if anything back. If I were in your shoes I'd have very little to do with her after the way she played up about your Mum coming to help you after you gave birth. It's a shame that she's keeping her boyfriend at a distance in favour of her husband, as he's the father of the little girl, but it would seem on the surface that he was just someone who took her fancy and then she got pregnant by him, but doesn't really want him in her life and would prefer to have her husband back, but I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, as I'm sure there are far more important things in your life to worry about, and it's not as if your Mum isn't treating you fairly.

Ilovetheweekend · 18/09/2021 23:17

Thanks for your replies. The reason why it bothers me is because my mother wants to talk about my sister all the time when we're calling each other. How awful my sister's life is and that she is struggling.

My mother also didn't tell most of her friends about my sister's second child. A lot of her friends are religious "church people", so she's scared that they will judge my sister.

As a consequence, she hasn't told anyone that I'm pregnant again as well. She probably thinks it's fairer to keep quiet about both grandchildren instead of just one.

The whole thing just annoys me.

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WhoIsPepeSilva · 19/09/2021 00:56

I think childhood issues can effect siblings differently.

I would also be wary of judging because abuse and domestic violence can be very confusing for the victim (which your sister clearly is), it's often not as easy or straightforward for the victims as we feel it "should" be.

Obviously she would be better without the abusive H in her life.

Whether she is being calculating out of innate badness or if she is being financially savvy for the sake of the child they co-parent is something people are going to disagree on. I'm not sure she's entirely wrong even if it's a moral grey area in my mind.

The boyfriend, well that's sad he's found himself in the position he is in now, but unfortunately he needs to figure it out for himself.

Has your sister had any counselling or support about the abuse from her H? Or about how she feels about your childhoods? It might be useful to her.

Billandben444 · 19/09/2021 07:24

I couldn't read it all, sorry, as it sounded like a soap opera plot. As you don't even live in the same country, why does any of it matter to you? Tell your mum you don't want to keep hearing about your sister and change the subject. From what I did read, it sounds as though sister, husband and lover all deserve each other.

longwayoff · 19/09/2021 07:33

Well you don't sound very nice yourself. Why don't you focus on improving your own circumstances and state of mind and leave your sister to manage hers?

bozzabollix · 19/09/2021 07:36

I get where you’re coming from. You want your sister to have the same values and a sense of what’s fair, but she doesn’t. It’d annoy me how she’s trying to control how much your Mum helps you despite having a huge amount of help herself. It isn’t right or fair.

I’m going through a process myself where I’ve found out my sister isn’t especially nice either and it’s tough to come to terms with. Again quite indulged by my parents who are supporting her during a time of an incredibly bad, selfish choice which has just about crucified someone else close to me. It’s hard not to be angry with parents as well as siblings in our situation.

How I’m trying to cope is to think about maintaining a sibling relationship as opposed to a friendship (and we were friends before), you can’t choose your family and they can have totally different values to you. It doesn’t have to stop them being your sibling, or getting together during family occasions etc, but friendship - no.

It’s bloody hard, but it’s about removing your sense of what’s fair, judgement of what’s nice and good, because you can’t force something that isn’t there I guess.

If anyone has any other helpful info about how to cope with being bitterly disappointed by their sibling I’m all ears!

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 19/09/2021 07:40

She does sound bloody awful.
There has to be a way of reducing your contact with her, and I certainly wouldn't be spending any extra money on her or your nephew. They will clearly financially be fine and she is hard as nails by the sounds of it.
Your mother loves her which makes sense but your sister is not owed your love or your time so likewise she is not owed your headspace. Try to minimise the thinking about her, it'll take a while, but then you'll start to feel better. Good luck!

DrSbaitso · 19/09/2021 07:46

I want to know her side of it.

Ilovetheweekend · 19/09/2021 07:56

@Billandben444

I couldn't read it all, sorry, as it sounded like a soap opera plot. As you don't even live in the same country, why does any of it matter to you? Tell your mum you don't want to keep hearing about your sister and change the subject. From what I did read, it sounds as though sister, husband and lover all deserve each other.
I know it is like a soap opera 😂 Sorry!
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Ilovetheweekend · 19/09/2021 07:59

@WhoIsPepeSilva

I think childhood issues can effect siblings differently.

I would also be wary of judging because abuse and domestic violence can be very confusing for the victim (which your sister clearly is), it's often not as easy or straightforward for the victims as we feel it "should" be.

Obviously she would be better without the abusive H in her life.

Whether she is being calculating out of innate badness or if she is being financially savvy for the sake of the child they co-parent is something people are going to disagree on. I'm not sure she's entirely wrong even if it's a moral grey area in my mind.

The boyfriend, well that's sad he's found himself in the position he is in now, but unfortunately he needs to figure it out for himself.

Has your sister had any counselling or support about the abuse from her H? Or about how she feels about your childhoods? It might be useful to her.

She's had counselling for years, but I don't think the counselor is very good. He judged her badly when she got pregnant for the second time.
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Phineyj · 19/09/2021 08:00

I've said YABU because this is another grown adult. She's not going to change the way she lives her life because you disapprove. If I were you I'd disengage as much as possible and maybe get therapy to understand why you haven't already

I do get it as I also have a sister who has made some questionable choices and is the apple of my mum's eye, whatever she does, moans if I need any support (not as obviously as your sister but I had the same situation re her resenting any tiny bit of help my mum gave me despite having had masses herself). For example, she used to get angry about my DD's need for naps and buggies & toilet training stuff, even though I'd spent years helping out and tiptoeing round her/her DCs' needs at a similar stage.

My life has got a lot better since I backed right off, stopped arranging regular meet ups, etc. I've had to accept less of a relationship with my DNieces but I do still have one. I don't think my parents have ever got over my DSis being the youngest one who needed a lot of help (and looking back, probably had some kind of special needs).

I prioritise my friends now because I'm not going to "win" this competition for my DPs' attention, especially as they don't/can't/won't admit it exists!

In your case, I don't imagine your sister knows what to do about the husband and the boyfriend is a big boy; don't feel sorry for him.

You're in different countries so with that and travel restrictions, it would be easy to distance yourself.

PieMistee · 19/09/2021 08:08

You are too involved in your sister's life. You obviously don't like her and are very jealous of her. She is of you too. Classic sibling rivalry. Your Mum I presume is giving you lots of this information. I would ask her to stop gossiping about your sister.
Focus in your life. Be there for your sister if she needs you when her marriage dissolves.

Auroreforet · 19/09/2021 08:09

Just be thankful you’re not your dsis.
And tell your dm that you don’t want to talk about her continuously.

Phineyj · 19/09/2021 08:11

It will be almost impossible to stop the mum wittering on about the sister (ask me how I know Hmm) but the OP can grey rock it. 'Mm, that's nice'. Change subject.

BunnytheFriendlyDragon · 19/09/2021 08:18

I think you should just ask your mum boy to talk to you about sister if it bothers you. It's not worth getting upset about.

billy1966 · 19/09/2021 08:52

Tell your mother you don't want to hear it and cut the call short.

Be glad this drama isn't on your doorstep.
Flowers

itsgettingwierd · 19/09/2021 09:10

Sisters are a weird dynamic.

My mum has always been there and done more for my sister.
It's been hard but I learnt to disengage and not be interested as suggested above.

Nowadays she actually makes some negative gibes about her behaviour (warranted and true) and all it does is make me pleased she sees it but question why she actively allowed it to happen.

But I don't allow it to take up headspace. My mum has a terminal illness and I find myself being grateful that when the sad inevitable happens I'll manage because I haven't relied on her the whole time to support my life. I know that sounds really horrible but my sister could have easily managed like I have.

It's things like mum helps with after school etc childcare. Because how else would sister work? We are both LP.

For context - she works PT, his dad is around. My work FT, his dad isn't around, ds is disabled. I have no idea why it's beyond my sister to sort childcare yet apparently its not beyond me!

I tell you all this because I'm a few years older than you. At your age I was still allowing it headspace but as Ive got older ive stepped back and just got on with my own life. I've learnt not to allow what I can't change to have a negative effect on my life.

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