Are these dolls totally inappropriate?

[Itsbeen84yearss]

Just seen the ad for these on channel 5 (in between peppa episodes). Marketed as ‘opposites’? I might be being bad minded but these look highly sexualised to me. I bought my dd an lol doll once but I think it had a school uniform on. Didn’t look like these at all. Why are they like this now?? Surely it’s sending all sorts of bad messages to kids

Let's leave it. I promise you I don't think any of my opinions on these are 'cool' or 'clever', nor do I feel contempt towards anybody else's. It may seem very naive (or 'faux' naive as you put it to add your little aggression there too) but it is how I saw it and I happened to write my view.

YOur explanation about your username is a perfect illustration on how to read too much into something for no reason.

The fact that you don’t see fetishwear on those dolls doesn’t mean that it’s not there. A bit like having your eyes closed during hide and seek.

These are revolting
My daughter is 5
Safe to say santa won't be delivering one of those hear I can tell you that now!!!!!

Luckily for me, by the time LOL turned up, DD had completely grown out of anything girly, and was never really into dolls except Monster High.

I promise you I don't think any of my opinions on these are 'cool' or 'clever'

The trouble is that's exactly how you and others are coming across. You don't see it as inappropriate so your argument is that the problem must be in the morals, views and minds of those who do see it as inappropriate.

It's perfectly reasonable to see these dolls as inappropriate toys for the children they were designed for without automatically having a mind that lives in the gutter. The 2 things are no synonymous.

@Mummadeze

Lots of dolls look like this now. They don’t look sexualised to me. Just fun and fashionable.

They don’t look sexualised to you????!! Jesus wept Agree with PP, they look like littler hookers

The one of the left is wearing the full Lolita get-up. Pretty sexual if you ask me.

You’re right of course but I suspect lots of people haven’t read or seen Lolita so don’t see the reference.

10 years or so ago, a retailer (I think Woolworths?) sold a range of bedroom furniture for young girls under the brand name ‘Lolita’ and had to withdraw it after the inevitable backlash. Obviously not everyone is familiar with Russian literature but it was unbelievable that no one on their marketing or product or design teams thought to have a quick Google of the word first.

YouMeandtheSpew

Exactly.

@YouMeandtheSpew

The one of the left is wearing the full Lolita get-up. Pretty sexual if you ask me.

You’re right of course but I suspect lots of people haven’t read or seen Lolita so don’t see the reference.

10 years or so ago, a retailer (I think Woolworths?) sold a range of bedroom furniture for young girls under the brand name ‘Lolita’ and had to withdraw it after the inevitable backlash. Obviously not everyone is familiar with Russian literature but it was unbelievable that no one on their marketing or product or design teams thought to have a quick Google of the word first.

Dressing like a 'lolita' is a cultural reference, not one based on the book per se. If you had read you would know the doll does not match at all the description.

It is a bit much to treat everybody who is not seeing the dolls exactly the same way as not intellectually gifted enough.

“Dressing like a 'lolita' is a cultural reference, not one based on the book per se. If you had read you would know the doll does not match at all the description.”

The name is a reference to the book though.

I have read it; I you have, you will know that the 'innocent' dresses she wears are part of the "charm". There is no need to read the book, or even less 'Russian literature' at large to understand what dressing like a 'Lolita' means, even if it does not represent at all the descriptions of Lolita.

Equally there’s no need to have been strung up by your nipples in a dungeon to appreciate that head to toe red pvc outfit is primarily sexual fetishwear and not standard clothing that most people walk around outside of a sexual context, and certainly not really an outfit for children.

@TakeMeBackTo1980

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8732677/One-Britains-best-selling-dolls-reveal-secret-adult-style-lingerie-plunged-water.html

Yeah, and when you put them in water it reveals the lingerie they have on. Fucking gross.

This has got to be some kid of joke surely??

My dd 8 years and her friends like the lol omg dolls, yes I think they're horrible, dc do not know what fetish wear is and would see that as rock star/cool girl clothes, I don't think rainbow high is that much better either.
My dd likes the our generation dolls which are much bigger, they're quite nice.

Equally there’s no need to have been strung up by your nipples in a dungeon to appreciate that head to toe red pvc outfit is primarily sexual fetishwear and not standard clothing

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Quite.

@DoylyCarte

Equally there’s no need to have been strung up by your nipples in a dungeon to appreciate that head to toe red pvc outfit is primarily sexual fetishwear and not standard clothing that most people walk around outside of a sexual context, and certainly not really an outfit for children.

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Sexualised dolls showing small children what to be like. It's disgusting.

Who designed the clothing for the dolls 😳 wonder if they have kids.

The doll in white looks to me like she's been rolled around a 4 year olds dress up box. She is the archetype of what a young child would think of as 'pretty'. Just because this innocent style of dress has been misappropriated by sleezy men as sexual doesn't mean it actually is, or we have to tell our DDs they are not allowed to like it. If men started fetishizing Boden dresses, would decide they were inappropriate? Same with the red leather really. Who decides that certain fabrics, colours and styles, even when not slightly revealing, are sexual, and that women and girls' liking of them must be policed?

@rainbowmash

Previous commenters started the "fetish club" chat, so I'm responding, that's all. Just commenting that the comparison is misleading, inappropriate and ignorant. And used to confect a sense of alarm. That IS shameful.

You’re utterly wrong, and I say that as someone who worked as a latex fetish model for 10 years. Go to a latex night and you’d see plenty of outfits like that (although to be fair, not with a cotton t shirt).

Haven't read the whole thread but Lottie dolls are a great alternative. They even have some boy ones and different ethnicities. Hate LOL dolls. The packaging alone!

@5128gap

The doll in white looks to me like she's been rolled around a 4 year olds dress up box. She is the archetype of what a young child would think of as 'pretty'. Just because this innocent style of dress has been misappropriated by sleezy men as sexual doesn't mean it actually is, or we have to tell our DDs they are not allowed to like it. If men started fetishizing Boden dresses, would decide they were inappropriate? Same with the red leather really. Who decides that certain fabrics, colours and styles, even when not slightly revealing, are sexual, and that women and girls' liking of them must be policed?

I feel exactly the same looking at that particular doll. And the other one reminds me of many teens walking around Camden any Saturday afternoon, dog collar included.

I get others see it differently but it also surprises me how many people just think it is obvious this has been done with a sexual gaze and are fast to dismiss any other view as ignorant or suspicious.

Get rid of all the fuckin ho dolls!! Girl children deserve so much better than that.
Girl children deserve better than hearing any woman or plastic representation of a woman called a fuckin ho.

Do they have male versions of these dolls? And if so, what are the male dolls wearing? I can't imagine they are wearing skin tight rubber trousers as well?

@Crabbyboot

Do they have male versions of these dolls? And if so, what are the male dolls wearing? I can't imagine they are wearing skin tight rubber trousers as well?

I had a look earlier and couldn't find any boys in this series.