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AIBU?

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To expect continuity and possibly quality of antenatal care in central London?

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merryberry · 03/12/2007 15:44

This AIBU is a lot about letting of steam and organsing my thoughts, but if you can make it through this endless post, I would really appreciate your thoughts.

I am 27 weeks pg with dc2. Having just had a poor experience for the nth time at the hands of the NHS. What do you think I might expect/request for the rest of my pregnancy? I have a meeting on Friday with the relevant head of midwifery where I can discuss these concerns.

Problem: shared care between hospital and GP when the relevant professionals NEVER see each other. And where I am asked not to have bloods done at my local GP but go into hospital as the results will get lost otherwise. What's the point? Am I just a burden they are splitting the cost of, or is this supposed to help me someway?

Problem: seeing a midwife in the hospital where I'd like to give birth. I saw one when I was booked, who was working out her notice and didn't know who I would see next (not specifically who, actually which team of midwives). My next appointment with hospital midwives is actually the head of midwifery as she controls access to the midwife led birth centre I'd like to go to. I carefully booked the date months in advance for Thursday pm when I could get childcare, so I could concentrate on the meeting. It's recently been changed to Friday lunchtime when I can't get care, and I couldn't rebook to another date before Xmas. I'm going anyway with ds1 in tow and fingers crossed I can avoid crying in front of him. Am I just being airyfairy to attempt appointments that work around my life, or should I expect my life to work around the appointments?

Problem: seeing a midwife in the community. I can't. I live in the hospital's catchment area, but not the community midwives for the hospital. Anyone heard of this before? Can it be right?

Problem: seeing my GP for antenatal care. He's nice in that space-cadet overworked fashion medics often are, but every time I see him he asks me why I'm not seeing a midwife. (Answer, because you told me I can't). When I last tried to see him for my 22 week appt, I called 10 days in advance of week 22 but couldn't get an appointment for 5 weeks (ie 25 weeks PG). Wonderfully, he called back and said that it was up to me whether I bothered to see someone else at the surgery, he personally thinks that the 22 week check is mainly meaningless and I could save my effort for the 28 week check. So I didn't bother, especially given I'd just had in-patient care at 20 weeks and knew everything relevant was fine (bloods, BP, fetal heartbeat). Was that irresponsible? I was given the impression today by my endocrine consultant that that was a flaky choice/advice.

Problem: conveyor belt care that doesn't work, part 1. Today I had this endocrinolgy consult (every couple of months these happen). I attend a mixed antenatal clinic where there are 30-40 other women waiting for a variety of services. My notes got lost in the melee, after 1.5 hours I politely asked to reschedule as I had to leave, and was there any chance of just doing my bloods before I left? I was treated as if I was absconding from high security by the HCAs, whipped into see the consultant 10 minutes later and told I looked stressed by her! Cue tears and 'I don't trust the NHS, this is not your problem but I can't stand it anymore' breakdown from me. Did a bit of our consult (no blood test for thyroid function, no time). Couldn't stop leaky eye crying all the way home on the sodding bus. Anyway, is this par for the course, or is it worth a complaint/suggestion letter??

Problem: conveyor belt care that doesn't work, part 2. I was in the neighbouring hospital as emergency admission at 20 weeks when an ovarian cyst popped painfully. I was misdiagnosed with D&V despite lack of D or V, had to argue with 3 people for antibiotics (which worked) and was not given an ultrasound during a 60 hour admission (Sat-Mon). Neither were the two suspected ectopic pregnancies over the ward able to have ultrasounds during that time. I got a scan on the Wednesday from my main hospital: was actually my 20 week scan and the sonographer had a look for me and pointed out the remants of the popped cyst. The fact there was no ultrasound at the weekend for a major teaching hospital with a large maternity unit still leaves me blinking. Any thoughts about this?

Is this all fragmented shite that I should agitate about, on my behalf for now, and later on others behalfs? Or should I gird my loins, get over myself, wax my stiff upper lip etc? I think I am being reasonable when I judge it all - the sweet suffering overburdened individual staff members excluded - a steaming pile of shite.

Some important context:

I enjoyed my last labour despite the fact it was poorly managed by A.N.Other central London hospital - I'm not going back there. They dehydrated me, screwed up a simple induction and discharged DS with severe jaundice. He was readmitted to my current choice of hospital 12 hours later into NICU for 8 days. Guess what I'm saying is - 'aw, but you have a healthy baby' is not a cop out for poor care. I didn't have a healthy baby last time round.

I've only recently stopped working clinically, scientifically and managerially for the NHS after 20 years, and again probably know way too much about how it (doesn't) work.

Thank you for reading all this. War and Peace it ain't.

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elkiedee · 19/01/2008 21:29

mb, sorry you've had such a terrible experience, and that the other posters here have too.

Reading all this makes me feel very lucky - my antenatal care was reasonable if not perfect - shared antenatal care with GP, midwives at Whittington and later at the local health centre, even though I live quite a way from the Whittington (nearest would be North Mid but getting there by public transport is tricky as it's much further from the nearest tubes and two buses from home).

My gripe was that I was told to go to the midwives' office to book hospital antenatal course - when I did I was told they were all full. I eventually got on a one day one but surely it would make sense for the booking to be done by a midwife at the appointments.

I felt let down on postnatal support - ds also ended up back in hospital for 8 days because of dehydration and I was unable to continue breastfeeding because the bf policies weren't supported for me by putting staff on the paediatriacs ward where we ended up who knew something about it, basically.

MB, were you at UCLH or the Whittington the first time?

I really hope this birth goes better for you than the antenatal care.

MarchMum · 21/01/2008 22:22

How on earth does the NHS lose so much blood and where does it go??? It's almost comical, everyone I've talked to has had to redo bloods once or twice. So bizarre.

Beware long post in reply to some of MB's questions on another thread.

Anyways, MB, I have good news and bad news about my EGA experience these past few weeks, which you asked about on the other thread. The rough conclusion is that we, at this late stage, have decided that we are sticking with BBC at EGA but need to find a doula or IM FAST bc we just can't subject ourselves and LO to whatever may come our way on the day without some sort of objective help/advocacy. So, for those who are reading along and can recommend a doula for central London (March), please post!

Bad news first. Had inpatient experience two weeks ago with EGA when I went in for 24 he observation with bad BH. I won't tell the whole story (yet can I mention my breakfast was white toast and coffee - hello??) but am obviously OK, cervix was closed so they could confirm it was indeed BH and not real. But I learned firsthand how soul destroying the hospital experience is and it scared me about what's to come. The mw's and other staff on the labour ward were (probably rushed, etc but you don't really care about the nhs budget when you are scared, worried and hooked up to a monitor - am first timer) snippy, physically harsh and unfriendly. I left there 24 hrs later feeling much worse than I came in and the whole context just completely took away mine and my husband's voice. That was the most surprising bit as I normally don't have a problem in this area (!) but the whole environment just wears you down, especially given how vulnerable you are. We were really struggling to understand what was happening and how to get answers/help/etc we could live with, much less feel good about. (Small shoutout for mw on observation ward - her care was liveable). Last antenatal check was with dippy community wife who had been brought in to deal with appt overload - had no idea what she was doing in the clinic and could answer none of my questions. All this = mad rush for doula.

Good news - the consultants I met through the process were great - reassuring, knowledgeable, friendly, etc. So, obviously am hoping I don't need a consultant at the birth but this was mild comfort. Why the big difference? As soon as you are outside the hospital/soul destroying situation, you somehow get your head back. I was in EGA today getting a set of bloods done (yes, of course they lost the original set!) and I thought I am just going to walk into the BBC and see how it compares to my other experience. It was LOVELY - it was quiet, clean and seemed organized and a midwife greeted me at the door and when I told her I was just making a random visit and she was PLEASED, sat down and talked with me, the other staff smiled, etc. Was so simple but very reassuring.

Also, I have been attending talks at the royal homeopathic hospital who run a scheme with EGA where you can have your checks done there (and they have talks the same daya s the clinic). One mw comes over and does antenatal checks with three drs there and they are awesome - again, friendly, competent, not rushed, etc.

Sorry for long post...let's keep comparing experiences!

1dilemma · 21/01/2008 22:30

Mars is a doula (and lulumama but I don't know where she is)
Mars is N.London

merryberry · 21/01/2008 22:36

oh marchmum, yup, you give a perfectly clear snapshot of what care really feels like in most instances IME (eg at Whit with ovarian cyst).

I'm glad you liked the BBC! Don't be put off by my experience there too much will you, I think my ill luck with them highly influenced by my strange route to them.

Anyway, more usefully, at 2030 this pm, I know this nidwife was free for a march booking. She called just as I was seeing the one tonight that we have hired!

And my yoga contact list has 4 names and numbers on it for doulas, not sure I should post them here.

Look, mail me on franky at metataxis dot com and let's have a chat on the phone about what midwife is offering me and I can pass these numbers onto you.

I cannot tell you how much better I feel now we've committed to the IM I've chosen. I'll be seen every week, and the care she outlined is basically just better! She will get this baby's baseline heart rates measured during this time (which the NHS don't do in my experience, they just measure your baby's vital stats against the 'average charts').

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merryberry · 21/01/2008 22:37

mars was booked up when i was looking for a doula months back! she is waaaaaaaay too popular but i bet she knows others?

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merryberry · 21/01/2008 22:38

elkie, tommy's for 1st birth, was living south of river when i booked.

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1dilemma · 21/01/2008 22:47

wasn't aloha a doula? but I think she's left someone migh have her details if she's still working

lennygrrl · 21/01/2008 22:52

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bossykate · 22/01/2008 11:42

oh, lennygrrl, so did i! so did i! she is wonderful isn't she? whereabouts are you?

hertsnessex · 22/01/2008 11:45

i work with mars, who needs a doula??

MarsLady · 22/01/2008 12:04

Can recommend hertsnessex

Have you tried Happy for you to contact me and I'll pop your details on the doula forum lovelymarslady at aol dot com

lennygrrl · 22/01/2008 12:29

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bossykate · 22/01/2008 13:05

dd (delivered by annie and teresa) is now 3! we are in sw2. yes, it is so sad that the care offered by annie isn't standard - and it could be with properly funded case load midwifery...

MarchMum · 22/01/2008 20:35

thanks for suggestions...am v. encouraged by late stage booking of MB!

MarchMum · 29/01/2008 00:12

booked doula now = feel better = thanks everyone!

hertsnessex · 29/01/2008 12:45

glad you are feeling better, well done, i hope it helps you.

x

MarsLady · 29/01/2008 13:17

Fab! I really hope you have a wonderful birth.

merryberry · 04/04/2008 19:40

for anyone who remembers this thread, i had a lovely LARGE boy at home under the care of our indy MW.

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