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AIBU?

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To not want my family at my wedding?

41 replies

WeddingDilemma01 · 06/09/2021 12:07

Sorry, this is a long one! I’ll try and keep it brief. It’s my first post too. I’ve seen some really helpful advice on here so, thought I would see if it helps this situation.

Basically, I’m getting married soon to my lovely DP and my s was meant to be maid of honor and my niece a flower girl. I don’t want my S there due to the issues below and my F is forcing it a lot as he can usually make me let my sister walk all over me (which is my fault too).

I also don’t really want my F there. I just don’t know if I am doing the right thing by telling them not to come? What would I say to family? How could I tell them?

Short(ish) story:
My S is a narcissist. My F enabled her as he felt guilty for our abusive upbringing and she milks it as much as she can. He goes back time and time again no matter what and lives with her now. She treats everyone like a piece of shit to be blunt and my F lets her get away with it. He brought me up to ignore it, let her do what she wants. My F did not help. He always put me down and my S did as well, she enjoyed it a lot. My F later admitted it was because he didn’t want me to have a boyfriend and thought having no confidence would do that. He was surprised my confidence was still low later on in life. He does try now and is better than he was, but always puts my S first and isn’t really interested in me, my DS or my life. The latest outburst from my S was a month ago and it was pretty bad. I thought my F was finally going to leave and he didn’t. ‘She needs him too much’ and she will get help. I offered him a place to stay and was going to get him a really nice apartment across the road. My S has since started seeing a counsellor but says it’s only stress doing this all and my F continues the same old pattern – she explodes, calms down but does not apologies or get help (usually), and he continues it too. She did see a counsellor in the past and they said she had narcissistic personally disorder apparently. She then stopped seeing them.

I have always allowed my sister to get away with everything from hitting to name calling. I want that to stop now. I want to set a good example for my DS.

I am sick of the way my S treats everyone and how my F downplays it. I have not spoken to her since her outburst and she keeps texting to usually guilt trip me. The anger will come next along with name calling. I have and will not replied.

My F has went back to his usual ‘you s is doing so well’. I said I was still upset the pattern of abuse was still happening. He told me she needs to be my maid of honour and has said the following - ‘his life will be hell of I don’t’, ‘what??, she won’t be at the wedding??. No, I can’t have that’ and then ‘ all the family will be there and we need to be united’

He does not care it is my day. I also tried to tell him about my DS going to nursery and I was excited but he cut my off and told me my niece has been going for months. It really made no sense how little he cared. I tried to tell him that I am talking about my DS but he cut me off again and started speaking about DN. This has made me not even want me F there. A part of me feels that he has made his bed and it shouldn’t mean I should be abused again and again.

Long story

So, I have always had a difficult relationship with my ‘D’S and ‘D’F. My M died when I was 11/S was 15. She was an abusive alcoholic. My F was also a drinker. I remember always taking myself to school, the house was disgusting, my M would be out drunk and my F would be in the house usually staggering around. One time I remember him trying to cook but having to take the frying pan from him as I was worried he’d burn the house down. I mainly had those tins of beans and cocktail sausages for dinner (I loved them though, but not a regular meal). I also had head lice for months and months. My dad would not treat it until the head teacher wanted to report him to SS. I was so humiliated by it at the time and I was only about 10 or 11. I have copy of a police report from when my mother was arrested drunk in the street with myself and my S (I was 9). I remember the police officer buying me chocolate from the vending machine and I was so happy with a little treat. My final memory of my M is when she was in rehab. I got the bus from primary school and was so excited to see her, I thought she was doing so well! She seemed different this day however and she rushed out when I came. I followed her to the shops. She ran straight in and got a bottle of vodka. I begged her not to buy it. She did it anyway and tried to stuff it down my top to hide from the staff in her building. I ran away screaming. I later went back to the building she was in and stayed down stairs. She asked me to come up and I refused, I knew then she had made her choice. I could have told someone and I didn’t. She collapsed, ambulance took her to hospital, she went into a coma and then died a few weeks later.

I have now completely forgiven my M. I know she had a hard life and she struggled with the memories. I could see the shame she had looking at me and everything she did piling up on her. I know she drank so she didn’t have to face it. I understand and it’s okay.

My life after my M died only got worse and worse. I felt that if I couldn’t even be loved by my M, no one could ever love me. My F did quit drinking but never re-assured me or made me feel loved. My S was so damaged by all the abuse from my mother that she struggled to live a normal life. She was slowly turning into my M. She was jealous when I had any friends, put me down constantly, easily turn to anger and lash out time and time again. She grew up being able to get away with it all as my F just wanted to keep the peace no matter what. She also guilt tripped him constantly. They were close in my teenage years and always made sure it was then against me.

The cycle is – something small happens that would not bother anyone else, S flips and usually turns violent (the tantrums would last for days!) and then it would quieten down. She never has apologized once to me for anything she did and my F would tell me over and over to forget it. Something else would happen a few weeks later and the cycle continues!

A few examples – She would make me leave college and then go to her work and wait for sometimes hours until she finished before I could go home with her even though college was 20 mins bus ride from home max. Once I was late and my dad was taken into hospital (I didn’t know this of course so followed the usual routine of going to her work). She stormed out of the office and shoved me as hard as she could in front of her co-workers. They stared in shock. She shoved me over once at the cinema and spilled my popcorn for absolutely no reason, I said and did nothing.
She would get turned down for something in life and it would lead to days of screaming, rolling on the floor, smashing things and hitting. If I ever retaliating (which I did as I was only around 14/15 and she was almost 20 when it was at my worst), I was the one to blame.
She would always randomly slap me and run away.

My F and S always said something was wrong with me. If I hummed a song, they would look in disgust and said I couldn’t sing, told me I smelled, I looked like a tramp, my spots were terrible, how ugly I was. My confidence was so low. My F later admitted he did it so I wouldn’t get a boyfriend. It was so nasty. I took me years to realize I wasn’t some hideous creature.

I started acting out. All the negativity made me give up trying. I was tired of being beaten down every day. They made me go to counselling and told the GP ‘ something is wrong with her’. I watched my sister act erratically every day and would hide from her instead of giving in and fighting back like I wanted too. When counselling did help, they made me stop. I said it was making me happy so my dad stopped it. He always did that when I found something made me happy.

I have helped my sister a lot with money over the years as well. Lots of which I didn’t get back. She would call crying and begging and then once she had it, back to normal and would never mention it again or say thanks.

She is also convinced she always has cancer. She has done this three times now. She says she has a lump (never lets you see it), screams she is going to die and your not welcome to come to her funeral, hit, cry and then say it was because of me, my f or her DP the latest time and said he was trying to kill her as he didn’t have private health care. I paid for an appointment and when it came back all clear, she acted normally again. No sorry or thank you.

I love my DN and it also enrages me that my F and my BIL are allowing this to happen in front of DN. It is a separate issue I know. I am happy see is at school so a closer eye can be kept on her. If anything else happens, I am going to SS.

My F has went back to his usual ‘you s is doing so well’. I said I was still upset the pattern of abuse was still happening. He told me she needs to be my maid of honour and has said the following - ‘his life will be hell of I don’t’, ‘what??, she won’t be at the wedding??. No, I can’t have that’ and then ‘ all the family will be there and we need to be united’

He does not care it is my day. I also tried to tell him about my DS going to nursery and I was excited but he cut my off and told me my niece has been going for months. It really made no sense how little he cared. I tried to tell him that I am talking about my DS but he cut me off again and started speaking about DN. This has made me not even want me F there. A part of me feels that he has made his bed and it shouldn’t mean I should be abused again and again.

So AIBU – they are family and should be at the wedding
AINBU- family is not a pass for treating people like this and she needs to learn actions have consequences.

Thank you for reading this far!

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TheChiefJo · 06/09/2021 16:07

Tell them straight, the day is a celebration of your relationship with DP, they are not welcome because they'll ruin it.

BobbiPinsOn · 06/09/2021 16:28

cut them all off

myheartskippedabeat · 06/09/2021 16:42

@TurquoiseDragon

You don't seem to be getting any benefit from a relationship with these people. They won't improve, and you won't get any acknowledgement from them about the wsy you have/are still being treated.

Ditch the lot of them. They don't need to be at your wedding, or even in your life.

Exactly Just ditch them
Jaxhog · 06/09/2021 16:46

Elope. Then the question won't arise.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 06/09/2021 16:48

You'd be a fool to have them there. In fact, they don't bring much good to your life really, do they?

Dacquoise · 06/09/2021 17:08

You have been severely scapegoated by these people your whole life. They will not change, they will not get better. You are perfectly entitled to put these people aside and live a peaceful and happy life.

The further away you get, the better you will feel. You don't need to feel guilty. These are not family. They are damaged toxic people who you happen to be related to. An accident of birth. You deserve better.

WeddingDilemma01 · 06/09/2021 19:00

Wow, thank you all so much for replying to my post. It really means a lot to me.

It has given me the clarity I needed!

To those who have been in the same situation and gone NC, thank you for sharing and it is amazing to see we really don’t have to put up with this. I’m glad you are all happier too.

Just to answer a few questions:
1.The wedding is late November, so really not far away. I suppose that’s why I started to think about all this more and more.

  1. I really do want this wedding and not to elope. We are so excited for it and to celebrate with everyone.
  2. I can’t move the date sadly now, as I’d lose all the payments I’ve made so far. But, we do have the venue all to ourselves and someone will be in the car park checking everyone’s names and telling them where to go. I could tell them to strictly turn them away if they show up and be on the lookout for the day. You have to drive to the venue as it’s quite remote so they should be able to spot them quite easily if they try to dramatically storm in. I have my lovely bridesmaids and a friend that would very happily show them the door. My friend wants to rugby tackle my s after I told her everything. But I really don’t want my wedding to be an episode of Corrie if I can help it! I honestly don’t think they would come. My BIL would refuse to drive my S and my F would not want to ruin my wedding. He’s bad but don’t think he would do that.
  3. I don’t live in the same city thankfully! I moved all over for work and finally settled 2.5 hours drive away from them. They have now moved 1.5 hours away from me. Even that is too close for me.I worked hard to get into the industry I am in as I wanted to be as far away as possible. It was the best thing I ever did! Since I didn’t live in the same city as my s, she had to abuse my via text and I have kept them all.
  4. I started counselling again a few months back and I am loving it so far. It’s hard but really helping. She made me see I dk have a choice and am working on boundaries!

Also forgot to say, I didn’t ask my sister to be MOH. She told me when I booked my wedding ‘I’m MOH, right?’ And then glared at me. Basically giving me the look of I’ll kick up a fuss if you don’t.

Thank you for helping me make my decision. I see now I can’t have them at the wedding. I’ll update you all when I tell them. I know my s will explode so I’ll try and limit that as best as I can.

I feel terrible for my DN. she is in the same position I was. I do also want to make a report to SS. I keep thinking about it and now that I want to go NC, I know I should make it now since I won’t know when she nexts kicks off!

Had anyone ever made a report before? Is it better to phone or do it online?

Thanks again Smile

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WeddingDilemma01 · 06/09/2021 19:04

Oh, and after my S telling me she’s my MOH. All she has done is say ‘what’s the date again’ about 50 times and never offered to help of course

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IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 06/09/2021 19:06

Tell her the wrong date.

VinylCafe · 06/09/2021 19:34

@IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves

Tell her the wrong date.

Great idea! Tell them you had to change the date and give them the bogus date.

WingingItEveryDay7 · 06/09/2021 20:36

I can't see how these so-called members of your family enhance your life or bring any form of joy. I most definitely would not be inviting them to my wedding no matter what pressures you were put under, imagine how your wedding will become about your sister!! It will be ruined and you'll never get that day back! It's easier said then done, and only you can make the decision, but you need to cut them out of your life! I had to cut a family member out a few years back, the year before we got married funnily enough! Our day was so much nicer not having to worry what she was doing or saying. Roll on a few years and decisions she made forced other members to go NC with me, which I was upset about but in the end decided I was better off without them! My life has been far less stressful without 'that' part of my family around 😊 I can definitely say it will be tough, but in the long term so much better! x

StoneofDestiny · 06/09/2021 20:40

Don't have them at your wedding or in your life. They have made their choices, now make yours.

fargo123 · 08/09/2021 03:46

Good grief!

What a nightmare. I'm so sorry you've had to experience this. Cut them out of your life for your own sanity, and that of your DP and DC.

Your father and sister seem to be enmeshed in some weird codependent situation, where they've made you the scapegoat for everything. Leave them to it, and use your wedding as a way for a new start with the family you've created, not these nutjobs.

Another thing to consider is that it's not just your wedding, but your partner's too, and I'm sure he doesn't want his wedding day / memories spoiled by your father and sister. There is no doubt they will ruin the day for you one way or another. If I was part of his family I'd be furious if my son/brother/nephew's wedding day was ruined by some crazy people that were known in advance to be troublemakers yet were still invited along.

WeddingDilemma01 · 13/09/2021 12:14

Thank you for all of the replies again, it means so much!

So, I have now gone NC with my S. I did tell her how I was feeling and why. I said I have a DS to set examples for and so on. As expected, she replied with how it’s my fault and listed things that I had done which included accidentally staining her rug and stealing something. Lots of them are very easily proven to be lies as I have stuff in writing/bank statement. The rug was 10 years ago and a complete accident and I didn’t steal anything, I transferred money for it and it has a reference. I didn’t have money at the time to replace the rug. I would have done later on but, I gave her so much money I didn’t get back when I started my job. I honestly thought that would cover it.

She also completely made up an incident. It would be my word against hers but, it’s really upsetting as she has tried to make me look like a monster. Thankfully, anyone who she tells this too should realise after a few conversations that she is always the victim.

She has absolutely no friends and this is the reason why.

It only proved that I am doing the right thing. I tried to speak to her about her behaviour just over a month ago (included fighting with her husband in the street) but, she would not acknowledge that and only that I had done a handful of things 6-10 years ago to make her do this. Including a stain on a rug! It’s crazy.

Think my life will be a lot happier now.

I didn’t speak to my F yet. I was hoping to have a conversation with him but, he isn’t speaking to me. I know my S will be going crazy in the house. Problem solved I guess with them. I am going to make a report about my DN! I’m sad I won’t see her again and feel like I have left her. In an odd way, I can see what all the other adults felt around me when I was younger. All we can do is report it.

Thank you all again, this has been eye opening.

Sorry for the bad grammar, quickly typing this before DS wakes up Grin

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PersonaNonGarter · 13/09/2021 12:19

This wedding is the start of your NEW LIFE and they are not invited.

Fuck, no.

WeddingDilemma01 · 13/09/2021 12:20

@fargo123 I honestly think you you hit the nail on the head! I think my BIL will be the new victim now.

Exactly! My poor partner has been so supportive about this. I know he doesn’t like my family but has never said it. He seems really happy now I’ve gone NC. We can just enjoy the day stress free now. I have my family and some lovely friends that treat me much more like a sister than my own. I honestly feel free!

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