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To ask how your rhumatoid arthritis affects you or someone you know

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BuffyTheBuffetSlayer · 03/09/2021 16:51

I'm sorry, posting for traffic as the health boards can be really quiet.

I have just been told by the physio that he believes I have rhumatoid arthritis due to pain in several joints plus being young and x-rays showing knee arthritis, so he made a referral to rheumatology.

But I know very little about it other than the generic info through Google. So I was wondering what early symptoms people experienced and how has it impacted quality of life later on? Is there anything I can or should be doing? Has anyone been referred with similar symptoms and it turned out not to be rhumatoid arthritis? My head is still spinning at reading 'degenerative disease' and 'fused joints'!!

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/11/2021 21:21

[quote BuffyTheBuffetSlayer]@Volterra I'm pleased to hear you shouldn't have long to wait for your appointment now. Hopefully something can be confirmed so you get answers abd can start proper treatment.
I read about psoriatic arthritis, I'll be honest I don't know which is worse!
Let me know how you get on if you don't mind.[/quote]
They're much of a muchness in terms of being an arse - but I've got far less joint deformity than my mother did, despite having untreated PsA since a child whereas she only began with RA symptoms much later in life. Out of all of the relatives who have one or another of the autoimmune diagnoses, I'm actually the most active, fit and healthy at the same age.

My Plantar fasciitis/shin splints/tendonitis buggers off with medication, custom orthotics (ask for a referral to Foot Health/hospital Podiatry/Biomechanics before anybody starts chopping you about) and a lot of gentle stretching of the calf muscles plus foam roller work which is bloody painful. Conveniently enough, sorting out the posture also helped the lower back/sacroiliac inflammation and pain.

When you get your Rheumatology appointment, ask about getting an im steroid shot whilst you're there - they can lift the pain, tiredness and soreness enough to be able to function whilst DMARDs take time to reach their full effectiveness (and according to one of my Rheumatologists, the fact that steroids made such a difference was also very useful for confirming it was an inflammatory process in the absence of a handy antibody showing up on bloods). One in a single joint or the plantar fascia is painful and won't help the other symptoms, but a quick stab in the upper arse muscles - you'll get used to the position you have to stand in - can really help by teatime, never mind the more common over the next few days.

You can also ask about a referral for hydrotherapy. It feels amazing.

It's a year since I started my current biologic and the only way they are getting it off me is out of my cold, dead hands - for context, I have woken up in pain somewhere every morning since I was about 7, except for a brief respite when I was 24-29 weeks pregnant (but by Christ did it come back with a vengeance afterwards!). Since then, it's been pain as soon as I open my eyes (and before) every single morning.

Until the last few months, where it wasn't quite so bad - and then, over the last month or so, I've been waking up feeling that something is weird and different. Very weird and different. I've finally realised what it is that's so weird.

I'm not in pain.

Volterra · 09/11/2021 07:43

Neverdropyourmooncup that is so helpful, thank you very much. i’m really pleased to hear that your current medication is working so well but really worry to hear it has taken so long to get there.

I have now seen her Consultant. I’m having more bloods, xrays of hands, feet and hip and MRI of spine then back in about 6 weeks to discuss the results,

My Dad was diagnosed with Psoriasis for the first time a few weeks ago. On the back of that it turns out my Brother, Aunt and Cousin have it which I had no idea of. Consultant does think it may well be Psoriatic Arthritis but wants more info. He has said we may need to discuss methotrexate at my next appointment.

My knuckle joints have been swollen a lot since the summer and one hand does now have a weaker grip. I’ve had hand pain in the past but this is the first time I’ve had swelling and was really pleased I had taken a photo of it at it worst, and my foot.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/11/2021 22:26

The sooner you're on MTX (and I'd recommend asking for the injection from the outset, as it reduces the nausea, along with having folic acid potentially up to 6/7 days (day off for injection) and an antiemetic that acts on the brain rather than the stomach - as that's where the nausea comes from, not acid indigestion - the sooner you start seeing effects and the sooner you can get onto a biologic.

Self injecting is really easy - it's a pen injector, so you just line it up on a bit of skin with no stretchmarks or varicose veins (the former eliminates my abdomen, the later makes the side on my hip muscles more feasible than upper thigh) and press. Then you chuck the pen in the sharps bin and you're done.

I did feel very tired, so I did them in the evening before bed to sleep through the majority of it, then felt tired and nauseous for a day afterwards for the first six months and it was helping, just not as much as was hoped because it was PsA, not RA. But the symptoms were less than they would have been with oral MTX and you took a lower dose with more effect because it's not going through the digestive system.

In short, it wasn't as awful as I imagined and I did see some improvement before they decided it wasn't working enough/there were too many infections and I needed biologics, but it got me on the pathway; a lot of my issues were in going to shit hospitals with crap systems in place. I now go to a major hospital and they've been great, really helpful and supportive.

If you want further annoying enthusiasm, my 5k pace is boringly average. Which is a lot better than taking the same length of time to sit up in bed and have DP help me hold a cup of tea in order to drink it without dropping it down me before dressing me. Yep, I can run now - wouldn't have got there without a) the right biologic and b) going through the process of taking MTX first.

Volterra · 12/11/2021 09:06

That is a huge help, thanks so much. I had heard about the injections and was planning to ask - living with a T1 diabetic means needles an everyday thing here ! I was wondering if they would prescribe an Antiemetic so good to know they will.

I may not have it but feel on balance that the odds are greater that I do than don’t but possibly have a bit of osteo mixed in for good measure.
Would love to run again. 3 years ago I ran 10k, not fast but I did it. Would love to return to Parkrun .

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/11/2021 09:57

@Volterra

That is a huge help, thanks so much. I had heard about the injections and was planning to ask - living with a T1 diabetic means needles an everyday thing here ! I was wondering if they would prescribe an Antiemetic so good to know they will.

I may not have it but feel on balance that the odds are greater that I do than don’t but possibly have a bit of osteo mixed in for good measure.
Would love to run again. 3 years ago I ran 10k, not fast but I did it. Would love to return to Parkrun .

You do need to ask from the outset, as it's common for them to assume you'll be fine - I said (truthfully) that almost every medication I've ever had that I didn't turn out to be allergic to has made me chuck my guts up almost instantly, from antibiotics to pain meds, vitamins to anaesthetics. It's then used as a reasoning to go straight onto injections and to prescribe anti emetics from the outset, along with a mild 'yes, we do get some people who are like that' comment.

If your hospital uses a private contractor to deliver the MTX, there's never been a prescription charge, but if you need to collect them from the hospital pharmacy, there is, as there would be for Folic acid/antiemetics - apart from allocating somewhere in the region of another two hours to wait in the pharmacy Confused, make sure you've got proof of exemption or buy your prepayment certificate in advance so it's on your phone; I was stung for sixty odd quid on one occasion like that before you could order, pay and get instant proof online, and if you try and buy it online once you're in the hospital, you might not be able to get a signal depending upon where in the hospital the clinic and pharmacy are hidden located.

As you're already likely to be having bloods, it's also worth asking if they would consider adding in a Vitamin D test, as mine picked up a severe deficiency at the same time, which also causes pain. 'Everybody's down in Vitamin D' doesn't allow for those who have severe deficiencies that won't be sorted with an OTC dose.

Volterra · 12/11/2021 10:07

I can’t stand feeling sick, will definitely push. I have had bloods and due more but form already done . DD was really low in vitamin recently so I did one of those finger prick kits but no idea how accurate those are.
Definitely time to look at prepayment certificate I think. Really appreciate all your help.

IWishMyUsernameWasX · 12/11/2021 12:12

Thank you all for sharing your experiences, especially about MTX. I was diagnosed with RA several years ago, and have so far been lucky and have managed to avoid having anything stronger than hydroxychloroquine. I am petrified of going on to the stronger drugs as it feels like I will be banished to a lifetime of medications and on a road to stronger and stronger drugs. My mum also had a very severe reaction to MTX once and was very ill. However, my symptoms are getting worse and I think I need to discuss the possibility of stronger medication at this stage, before any permanent damage is done. I think I just need to gulp and give the rheumatologist a call...

tcjotm · 12/11/2021 12:23

Treatment is significantly improved compared to decades ago. They tend to hit it hard with the medications to prevent as much damage as possible.

But the fatigue, omg, nothing seems to take that away. It’s always there and when I feel well I know I can’t take advantage because the exertion will break me afterwards. And when I have a flare I feel like I’m so drained it it’s exhausting just being alive.

It’s also very disheartening when healthy people are scornful of people calling in sick for fatigue when it is so unbelievably debilitating. But we tend not to look sick.

But there are worst things. I just live life at a much slower pace now.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/11/2021 18:57

@IWishMyUsernameWasX

Thank you all for sharing your experiences, especially about MTX. I was diagnosed with RA several years ago, and have so far been lucky and have managed to avoid having anything stronger than hydroxychloroquine. I am petrified of going on to the stronger drugs as it feels like I will be banished to a lifetime of medications and on a road to stronger and stronger drugs. My mum also had a very severe reaction to MTX once and was very ill. However, my symptoms are getting worse and I think I need to discuss the possibility of stronger medication at this stage, before any permanent damage is done. I think I just need to gulp and give the rheumatologist a call...
It's not just joint damage that's a risk. It's quite literally up to and including premature death.

My father dropped dead aged 54. Always slim, never smoked, active but not heavy physical job. The cause of death was cardiomyopathy - heart damage due to uncontrolled inflammation (as this was before decent treatments were available).

The risk of heart disease, strokes, abnormal lipids and some types of cancer are vastly increased from having uncontrolled inflammation.

Add into that the increased likelihood of obesity from not being able to exercise and eating easy food because it's too painful to prepare and cook food from scratch, plus metabolic syndrome - and the life expectancy of somebody whose inflammatory processes are not controlled is significantly reduced.

In addition to that, inflammation affects the brain - you don't have to be depressed or have a serious mental health condition to have almost identical symptoms - the difference is that they go without psychiatric medication or therapy - they can just disappear overnight once the inflammation starts decreasing, particularly with steroid pulses, as they have an almost instantaneous effect in some cases.

MY mother's lived longer than my father did, but she's been miserable for over forty years - pretty much my entire life - because she refused even steroids. She's had surgeries on her spine due to it being uncontrolled, had heart attacks, hasn't been able to walk without pain since I was five years old, couldn't use her hands, and was permanently either off her tits on painkillers and sleeping pills or raging because she couldn't get any more painkillers and sleeping pills from the GP. She thinks I'm an imbecile for taking medication - I should have apparently told 'them that you demand better painkillers' instead of taking medication that means I don't need any at all.

They aren't 'stronger drugs' that need to be avoided. They're better, more effective ones, ones that are appropriate for the condition. Yes, they also carry risks and potential side effects, but if you look at it as

Choice #1 - Feel crap, don't have much of a life, struggle with emotions and pain, then keel over aged 55 in front of your teenage son and 11 year old daughter (not me, my half brother and sister) and die in front of them

versus

Choice #2 Feel rough on some (maybe), feel great on others, have a life and maybe, possibly, have a slightly reduced lifespan or need treatment for something aged 68 if one of the rarer side effects come into play but you are constantly monitored for signs of throughout treatment -

Just how attractive does carrying on without the more effective treatment actually sound?

Obviously, everybody gets to make their own decisions, but they do need to be, in my opinion, weighed up against the actual reality of going without treatment/having less effective treatment out of a fear of something they don't quite understand and think they shouldn't really be needing - you don't get offered this stuff for shits and giggles, not at twenty grand a year list price - it's offered because it's, in the opinion of the NHS, worth paying over a year's salary per person to have it, compared to leaving them untreated or ineffectively treated.

KarenM262 · 12/11/2021 19:31

I was diagnosed last year, I was very bad very quickly but I was so lucky to be seen and treated quickly. You have to try the cheaper meds first and these do help some people but did nothing for me, it was hard, it is still hard but now I'm on biologics injections and they really helped. I am not back to how I was but the rheumatologist said my disease is no longer active, the trouble is I'm now left with the damage even though I was in biologics within 6 months. I had steroids too for a year which helped but you can't take these long term. I am able to work part time, it's important to try and move, I find swimming is the best but the rheumatologist recommended an exercise bike which I might get in the new year when all my money isn't taken up with Christmas! I thought I would never live a normal life again, it's hard work as my joins hurt all the time but I've learned to pace myself and as long as I take regular breaks sitting down I can still take the kids for days out etc. It does effect everyone differently though, I remember the nurse said to me at first that their aim is that you won't know you've got it and in fact she had it too but you couldn't tell and obviously she spent a lot of time on her feet. The initial stage is the worst, once you get some treatment that works it gets much better X

nokidshere · 12/11/2021 19:45

But the fatigue, omg, nothing seems to take that away. It’s always there and when I feel well I know I can’t take advantage because the exertion will break me afterwards. And when I have a flare I feel like I’m so drained it it’s exhausting just being alive.

Me today! Thankfully I haven't had a flare for a bit but today has just wiped me out and I've not even moved from the sofa.

anotheronenow · 17/11/2021 02:01

@ Mooncup I've learned more from your posts than three rheumatologists. And I will start methotrexate in the new year after surgery (surgeon didn't want me on it, I didn't want me on it til I read your posts). Thank you.

Good luck to everyone else. Thank you so much OP for asking the original question. I have felt a real sense of community and a problem shared is halved on this thread. The best of mumsnet goodwill.

BuffyTheBuffetSlayer · 04/02/2022 09:16

Hi, sorry I've not been back for a while, had back to back assessments for uni plus toddlers with never ending chest infections!

If anyone's still following, I have my 1st RA appointment today! I was just wondering what I should expect for my 1st appointment, it's face to face at 9.50. I'm so worried haha.

I hope everyone is doing OK, I'm going to have another read through this thread. Thanks again to everyone who took the time to post, I've found it so helpful x

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CounsellorTroi · 04/02/2022 09:47

I’m 60. Three or four years back I woke up with pain in my knees and ankles such that I could barely walk. This lasted months. I saw a rheumatologist and had MRI of my knees and was told I had osteoarthritis and was referred on to an orthopaedic surgeon. He told me the OA was no worse than average for my age and no need for surgery as I could walk. I can walk and exercise most of the time (I work out and swim) but I do get flare ups and having a particularly bad one currently and feel so tired (underactive thyroid too). Also have what looks like a Bouchard’s node on the middle finger of my left hand. Can’t help wondering if I actually have RA.

ChrimboGateauxCatto · 04/02/2022 09:54

Try and have an open mind. The medication can be scary sounding but can really change things for you. If you meet with a nurse practitioner they really can be a great contact. I've had mine for over ten years. Best of luck and let us know how it goes.

BuffyTheBuffetSlayer · 04/02/2022 11:22

The appointment didn't go as I expected, I wasn't asked about history of symptoms, didn't have a blood test, no family history asked.
Dr asked about my chronic plantar fasciitis, told me to lie on the bed so he could do an ultra sound of my feet.
Told me my right foot was perfect, no damage and the damage on my left foot was minimal (despite severe pain everyday and an orthopaedic surgeon examining my feet and referring me for surgery last month!). The Dr also told me he's not a radiographer and just dabbles in the ultrasound machine because it's interesting Hmm
He said I have osteoarthritis on my big toe haha, I have a boney spur and a cyst on my heel.
No other examination other than the short ultrasound on my feet.

I mean, he's the expert and will know what he's looking for, so I'm not questioning his judgement. But is that what a first RA appointment looks like?

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BuffyTheBuffetSlayer · 04/02/2022 11:24

Sorry, meant to say, he said I don't have RA

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BuffyTheBuffetSlayer · 12/02/2022 16:59

@Volterra It's good to hear you're appointment went well. I was wondering if you could tell me what happened at you're appointment. I don't think my appointment went well at all but I have nothing to compare it to and it's been playing on my mind alot.

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