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Rude gas engineer

48 replies

Lilyx18 · 02/09/2021 14:51

Not really an Aibu, more of what would you do in this situation. Should I complain or just leave it?

Bit of background, I'm currently 9 months pregnant and booked in to have a c section early next week. I've been told by the hospital I need to self isolate until then and I'm due to have a PCR test done tomorrow as required. I also have a 1 year old who keeps me pretty busy.

I live in a rented house and was contacted by a gas company last month to arrange the annual gas safety check. We agreed a date, but they couldn't give a time, all fine. The date came round and I waited in all afternoon, but nobody turned up! Fast forward to today, a man knocks at the door and says he's here to do my gas safety check. I said to him it was supposed to be a couple of weeks ago, and he said no I emailed again a few days ago to say I'm coming today. Clearly something had gone wrong with the original date, I was annoyed nobody had contacted me about this & I wasted my day, but I understand things happen/ go wrong. But Straight away his attitude got my back up. Surely it has to be arranged, you don't just TELL someone you're coming round? So I asked him if he would mind wearing a mask - he then told me no it's not a legal requirement and he doesn't have to wear a mask. I was weary about refusing him to come in because it is a legal requirement for the gas safety check to be completed and I didn't want to cause problems, but I explained that I'm due to have an op and am supposed to be self isolating until then. Had I known in advance he was coming, I would've discussed this beforehand. He then went on to say "well I could've just got the keys from the estate agent and come in anyway." I said so you're telling me if I didn't answer the door today you would've just let yourself in? Because the original email stated they could get keys, with my permission, if it was more convenient for me. He said no I don't need your permission and he was telling me the email wouldn't have said that. (It did cos I double checked after he left). Surely engineers can’t just let themselves into someone else’s property?! It made me feel really vulnerable as I’m often at home on my own with my young child, as I was today.

Should I complain to the estate agent about this? What can they really do. Or should I just leave it? I’m annoyed with myself for not standing my ground more at the time but the whole scenario just took me aback. I wish I’d said more to him so not sure if my anger is clouding my judgement and maybe it’s not that big a deal. The check did take less than 5 minutes and I waited in another room, so this risk was minimal. But at no point did he tell me that’s how quick it would be, I didn’t have a clue what he needed to do. I was more annoyed at his attitude towards me and the “threat” of saying he could come in anyway.

OP posts:
SarahBop · 02/09/2021 15:57

YANBU as he sounds like he has a lack of customer service skills, HOWEVER I don't understand why you didn't chase up when he didn't turn up last time?? I'd have probably been on the phone by 3.30pm stating you were checking he was still attending as you'd been in all day and it obviously needed doing as you will imminently due to give birth.

Flowers500 · 02/09/2021 15:58

I would be making a very very serious complaint to his company and to the landlord. I would also be calling the landlord very upset so they complain to the company on my behalf too. Totally unacceptable

RedMarauder · 02/09/2021 16:04

@EspressoDoubleShot the law is unclear on this as a tenant has a right to quiet enjoyment. So if the tenant thinks previous tenants have the key or the landlord (or their agents) is harassing them they can change the locks.

In the OP case because of how the plumber (he isn't an engineer) acted she has good cause to change the locks.

mumwon · 02/09/2021 16:32

They changed the date & you were not informed British Gas have a double informed system (or at least they are suppose to!) where they contact the LL & than arrange dates with tenant - & they are suppose to contact you with update
Now there is a bit of debate about gas safety checks & getting into property if someone refused (which you did not do - they changed date) ie someone refuses any entry - LL sends another request (by recorded letter) & than they refuse again this is re requested & denied - there have been cases (I believe) that they can gain entry whether by court order or based on the potential for this being unsafe
BUT he cannot unilaterally decide this or threaten you & demanding entry & not wearing a mask
He needs to be named & shamed - look up facebook or twitter for the company & state what happened & tell your agent & LL

seaandsandcastles · 02/09/2021 16:33

You can’t just pile in and do it

@EspressoDoubleShot You absolutely can and I would recommend all renters do it.

EspressoDoubleShot · 02/09/2021 16:40

You’re completely wrong. Pile in or not you’re absolutely not right
It physically changes the property and probably a breach of tenancy
And just because you’ve got away with it,doesn’t mean it’s ok

Lairymary · 02/09/2021 16:41

I wonder if he would have happily barged in if you said you were isolating due to having covid. Definitely lacking in customer service, tact, professionalism and sympathy.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 02/09/2021 16:43

As someone who uses management keys in multiple properties every day OP - take 20 minutes are report his behaviour to as many people as you can think of.

His initial retort about masks is all you really need to discuss, the rest was equally obnoxious and bullying but masks wearing is covered by all Best Practice procedures and even some insurances - as in professional indemnity rather than public liability.

Every gas engineer, plumber etc has put a mask on, even when they know that I am a fellow trade and am usually unmasked and one when they first see me. Just as I do when they enter a property.

He behaved very badly and should be told as much.

EspressoDoubleShot · 02/09/2021 16:44

No
A tenant cannot change locks solely to exclude the LL or agent
If the only reason is pursuit of privacy or security in the belief the keys are in wide circulation that’s reasonable with permission and you give the LL or agent a copy of new key
Changing locks and denying LL access is not reasonable

BrisbaneandGone · 02/09/2021 16:47

@EspressoDoubleShot

No A tenant cannot change locks solely to exclude the LL or agent If the only reason is pursuit of privacy or security in the belief the keys are in wide circulation that’s reasonable with permission and you give the LL or agent a copy of new key Changing locks and denying LL access is not reasonable
The LL or agent does not need a new key, I have never provided them with one as they shouldn't be entering the property. If they have ever needed to, they contact me or my emergency contact if I'm not available. None of the agents I have let from have taken issue with this, especially as they cannot guarantee that previous tenants haven't retained a key. IMO all locks should be changed between tenancies
daytriptovulcan · 02/09/2021 16:48

Complain, and tell them never to send that intimidating tosser around to your place again. They might use a more friendly engineer next time.

seaandsandcastles · 02/09/2021 16:53

@EspressoDoubleShot

You’re completely wrong. Pile in or not you’re absolutely not right It physically changes the property and probably a breach of tenancy And just because you’ve got away with it,doesn’t mean it’s ok
Again, they’ll never know until you leave unless they try to enter the property without permission, which is a criminal offence.

I absolutely recommend everyone do it when moving into a new property, rented or owned.

And I don’t rent, I own my home.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 02/09/2021 16:56

@SparksAndLarks

That's not rudeness. That is intimidation of a lone female.

About the mask request, he was uncooperative in regard to a woman who was being asked to self isolate by medical authority because she is due to give birth. What did he expect, that she should reschedule the end of the human gestational period to suit his desire to show up for appointments randomly when he fucking well feels like it weeks later than the agreed date.

What a spectacularly arrogant bastard.
Report him.

This....

And I would absolutely change the locks (depending on type of lock it can be a 5 min job...). It may well be against the contract... But seriously what will they do?? Apart from insist you change in back (at end of tenancy)?

I've done this on a couple of properties... One where despite me complaining about at least 3 random (trades) men letting themselves in without notice and without knocking... Once when I was ill in bed. I took the position my safety and enjoyment of the property trumped their right (?) to have keys. And essentially they were bloody hopeless. Whenever I went in and people were asking for keys... They weren't checking idebtities... Just giving keys out.

I changed it back before I left. The other time was when agent was draggi g heels over get locks changed as I discovered a prev tenant (several previously) had LET THEMSELVES into my apartment as apparently to check for post... Ffs.

They just didn't take my safety or privacy or my tenancy seriously.

crowsfeet57 · 02/09/2021 17:03

Nobody can enter your house without permission, not an engineer, not the landlord, not the letting agents, unless there's an emergency. I'd be taking this up with the LL/LA

Even in an emergency nobody has a right to enter your property without your permission unless they have a magistrate's warrant. The operative was rude and intimidating. You should report him.

CornishTiger · 02/09/2021 17:08

Please complain.

  1. the failed appt
  2. the without notice appointment isn’t acceptable
  3. the threat of keys. Totally wrong.
  4. refusal to wear a mask and being a bully.

I’d never use the contractor again if it was my property being serviced.

Lilyx18 · 02/09/2021 17:23

Thank you so much to everybody for replying. It's made me feel a lot better and I will definitely call up tomorrow & take it from there.

I burst into tears when he left, not sure why! I think as someone said, would he have acted that way if I was a big man instead of a heavily pregnant woman? Probably not. I'm usually quite good at standing up for myself but wasn't today. Now I'm just really angry, at myself but also at his audacity treating me like an idiot telling me all these "laws" that are actually completely wrong!

On reflection I should've shut the door in his face and told him to do one.

OP posts:
slashlover · 02/09/2021 17:42

I live in a council flat (Scotland) and the council can legally break the door down to complete a gas safety check, although this is after three missed appointments. I know because when I first moved in there was a letter which said to make an appointment or that's what would happen.

Lilyx18 · 03/09/2021 10:03

Update - spoke to letting agent, they apologised and said they won't be using that company again for my property.

I looked the company up, it was the owner / self employed plumber who came to my house yesterday! Which makes it even worse! Quite a few reviews saying how rude and patronising he was...

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EspressoDoubleShot · 03/09/2021 11:29

Glad you got a satisfactory result. And best wishes for you and family when new baby arrive

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2021 11:48

@Lilyx18

Update - spoke to letting agent, they apologised and said they won't be using that company again for my property.

I looked the company up, it was the owner / self employed plumber who came to my house yesterday! Which makes it even worse! Quite a few reviews saying how rude and patronising he was...

He will be registered with governing body. Complain to them too
Lilyx18 · 03/09/2021 12:49

@EspressoDoubleShot

Glad you got a satisfactory result. And best wishes for you and family when new baby arrive
Thank you so much 😁
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RedMarauder · 03/09/2021 14:04

@crowsfeet57

Nobody can enter your house without permission, not an engineer, not the landlord, not the letting agents, unless there's an emergency. I'd be taking this up with the LL/LA

Even in an emergency nobody has a right to enter your property without your permission unless they have a magistrate's warrant. The operative was rude and intimidating. You should report him.

That's not true.

Certain services e.g. firefighters, police, environment agency can break into anyone's home - you don't have to be a tenant - if there is an emergency without a warrant.

Abitofalark · 03/09/2021 14:55

You could send a copy of your complaint to your local council's housing department as they have oversight of the law and practice ref landlord and tenant and they need to be aware of the standards of local landlords and letting agents and their contracted service workers such as your gas man.

Local councils also have public health responsibilities, so the issue of the wearing of masks when visiting people's homes would be of interest to the public health team.

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