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Worst student teacher you have seen on placement

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icecreamandapple · 01/09/2021 20:44

About to start a PGCE very soon, just wondering are there any teachers who's had a teacher student who's been shockingly bad? Not that I am planning to be by the way, I'm just curious. Hopefully I will be ok but I keep telling myself that I'm sure some teachers would have seen some bad student teachers. Also what happens if a teacher is so bad can they get removed from the placement if it's affecting the children education and progress?

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AssemblySquare · 01/09/2021 21:42

I’ve had so many crap trainees in recent years that I refuse to mentor any more!! However, the training school part of the MAT I work for actually say out loud “if you know anyone who is even slightly interested in teaching send them our way” Shock

My most recent one refused to have the head of dept observe them because they didn’t like the way the HoD wrote notes during the lesson (during an observation!!!)

I’ve had one tell me the subject is boring but they were able to make it “less dry”

I tried to send several back to the uni for their shockingly awful subject knowledge! I felt so guilty be complicit in allowing those ones into the profession.

UnsuitableHat · 01/09/2021 21:42

You’ll be fine OP. Keep yourself organised, give yourself plenty of time to do things and ask all the questions you need to.
The worst ones I’ve seen were probably the opposite of the above.

Somethingvague · 01/09/2021 21:42

Ugh, me probably. I had a terrible final placement. Children didn't listen to me, I cried and once had to go home early.... very embarrassing. Luckily, I'd secured a job early - but I left my pgce feeling totally useless and expecting to hate my work.

Then, I started my job and it was revelation that I wasn't in fact useless, I'd just been dumped into a very tricky class and given no support. I'm now into leadership at an outstanding school and am a very confident teacher. Mentorship and support is everything.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 01/09/2021 21:44

I wasn't very good. Nobody noticed though as my mentor left the school shortly after I got there and I was just abandoned to try to teach her classes with nobody watching me. Suited the school as they didn't have to get a supply teacher in, but I felt a bit sorry for the students.

FelicityPike · 01/09/2021 21:50

I work in a pre-school nursery and have had some belters.
One who accused staff of stealing her phone when her mummy found out she had lost it.
One who pretended she was recovering from having a brain tumour.
One who when given constructive criticism would text her mum who would then phone in and say her DD had an emergency medical appointment and needed her to leave immediately.
One who thought she could take smoke breaks whenever she wanted.
One who used the entire class stock of Christmas glitter & card on one (very pointless) activity (I still seethe and talk about this).
One who wouldn’t be seen with any child who wasn’t wearing clothes from “Next or better”.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 01/09/2021 21:51

It's almost impossible to fail students these days. They get an action plan and scrape through to qualify. These ones often drop out in their first year.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 01/09/2021 21:53

I felt so guilty be complicit in allowing those ones into the profession.

Yes, that.

It's also a HUGE amount of work to be a mentor. If you think they are crap, it's even more work to try and sort them out. No recognition given of this I find.

AuldAlliance · 01/09/2021 21:54

One PE teacher teaching science, who was just telling the kids stuff that was plain wrong

If you make teachers teach other subjects, can you expect them not to get stuff plain wrong?

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 01/09/2021 21:54

We once had a French student teacher, in the 90s, who said the N-word in general studies.

Goofers · 01/09/2021 21:57

50% of all teachers graduated in the bottom half of their year!

Heyha · 01/09/2021 22:01

I've had a couple out of maybe two dozen that I didn't think were going to be employable by the end. One was on first placement, uni passed them on to the second placement although I never did find out if they finished.

The other seemed to hate teenagers so that didn't go very well, in general. He did unfortunately leave the course 'by mutual consent'.

Don't get me wrong, I've had some real wobblers and times where I've though, hmmm, not sure about you, but with the right coaching and a bit of input from uni they all got through and the vast majority are still teaching, or at least doing education things, which I think is a real plus.

On the other hand I've seen some really ill-prepared NQTs across the school (luckily we've only ever recruited gems into our department including some of the aforementioned students!) and I've really scratched my head about how they got there.

Put the work in, ask if you're not sure so no bluffing BUT do take the hint if someone says you need to be a bit more confident in yourself as that's a polite way of saying please stop checking in just to reassure yourself, you've got this. We all have crap lessons and crap conversations from time to time, but you're there to experience them and learn from them so don't be out off. Every single hour in school is a learning curve on something!

Oh, and I hope you like kids. Turns out that does help 😂

QueenofLouisiana · 01/09/2021 22:03

A chap who lived in our halls during our PGCE year: he told his yr10 chemistry students to light the Bunsen burner using the spliff on their desks. When the class started sniggering he got cross and insisted that they all used their spliffs, the spliffs he had put there for them, to light the flame.

His school placement was less amused. This wasn’t the sole reason he failed his placement, but it didn’t help. The university was horrified- it relies heavily on its excellent reputation.

Heyha · 01/09/2021 22:05

Crikey reading the other posts on here sounds like I've dropped lucky with almost all of mine. One thing I do get sick of saying is "don't talk over them. EVER." Might be to do with being in a lab so absolute safety first but it does my head in having to keep pointing out that if you don't get their attention there's no point wittering on at them.

HairyMaryMyCanary · 01/09/2021 22:06

I remember the woman who made racist comments in tutor time - I can see her face in my mind but not remember her name. Surely there can't be two?

My worst was the one who on the first day of training, wouldn't come up to the department. She stayed in the staffroom talking to a friend. I asked her to come up, she refused. She then dropped out of the course and her university tutor blamed me! As if! I'd hardly spoken a dozen words to the woman.

Oh, and then there was the man who only wanted pupils to chant what he told them - he didn't want to make resources etc. He couldn't produce a lesson plan (I think because whoever did that for him was only available at weekends and as a man, he couldn't be seen to do it for himself). We kept copious notes on him, and passed them to the uni when he tried to make a case against them.

There was a nice one who didn't think through what she was wearing, and male pupils kept dropping things so she'd bend down to pick them up and they could look down her blouse. Nowhere near as bad as the supply teacher who showed her arse and thong-string to the world every time she bent down - and you bend down a lot when teaching, even in secondary.

Ooh, yes, then we had two young men. One had been a TA and he was so full of himself it was embarrassing to see. He couldn't be arsed planning because he knew it all. His colleague was very quiet and much nicer.

I was 'born to teach' according the local authority adviser who observed me. I 'made a difference', according to some students who have sought me out as adults. But as I burnt out and got worse and worse as one life-crisis followed another, any trainee or passing vagabond could have done better than me.

Tips - check your clothing/collect old pens and pencils to offer to those who have 'forgotten' theirs (they'll suddenly find their own)/plan clothes for a half term/ always bring drinks and sandwiches because on the day when you can't get to the canteen, you still need to eat/ make a rule about your working hours - I suggest six to six then completely cut off. No working until 3am, teaching all day, trying to do it again the next day/Expect pupils to comply, they usually will.
Good luck. I'm off to change my username again.

LuluJakey1 · 01/09/2021 22:10

One who could not plan interesting lessons or communicate with children so they just ran riot. Incredibly boring and no sense of humour. It got to the point that unless we were planning and almost delivering lessons for him the room was chaos. He was not lazy, just absolutely not suited to teaching. He was from TeachFirst. He told me ' I had no idea it would be like this. I only want to teach for a couple of years and then I thought I'd get an Assistant Head job and then a Headship.'

His course leader actually came in and taught and planned with him for a whole week and at the end said 'He's just not up to it'.

He left the programme after 8 weeks and went back to work for the Conservative Party in London, which was where he had come from.

FangsForTheMemory · 01/09/2021 22:12

I lived in a flatshare with two student teachers who were so badly educated themselves that I couldn't imagine how they were going to cope with teachig even primary school children.

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 01/09/2021 22:12

My daughter had a student teacher who put on the boy in striped pyjamas to watch while she marked papers. They were 7 so totally inappropriate. She told me years later.

Heard last night that student pe teacher took a girl who was looking miserable to do star jumps in front of the class. Her uncle had just died.

If you are thinking that you are going to be terrible then believe me you have the capacity and desire to be a brilliant teacher. We all have doubts before anything new.

Ask for regular feedback, listen and action the comments and you will do well. No one is perfect and we all strive to improve (well most of us fo!)

Best of luck! 🙌

notHarris · 01/09/2021 22:15

Two spring to mind:

  1. Actually a good teacher generally but was teaching a lesson about weddings and said " a wedding is when a man and woman get married" I interjected to point out that two men or two women could also get married and he rolled his eyes, huffed and answered " yes and pretty soon you'll be allowed to marry your dog if you like"
  1. A generally weak student who phoned me every Sunday evening to say that she had no idea what to teach that week (despite me going over it carefully during the week) burst into tears and ran out of two different lessons and had to be coaxed back into the classroom...., I often wonder if she managed to qualify.
earsup · 01/09/2021 22:18

I was teaching FE . A levels...had a student who asked me in which cupboard he could find: lesson plans, hand outs, work sheets, marking criteria etc etc....he lasted about 3 days...hopeless and very lazy...expected me to provide him with everything !!

Stickyjamhands · 01/09/2021 22:21

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JudgeJ · 01/09/2021 22:23

@suziedoozy

My school had an RE trainee teacher who made racist comments in tutor time…

That was the end of their teacher training

As the Head of Department I had the responsibility for a mature Spanish teacher who was studying to be able to teach in the UK. He was dreadful, when he was teaching a reasonable set two, one of the girls put her hand up and asked him, very politely, to repeat something because she had followed what he was saying and his response was that it was their fault, they were from the North and his English was London! We were on the verge of failing him and had to have an external assessor in, I think he failed in the end but contested it.
RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 01/09/2021 22:23

Keep on top of your paperwork (or online version).

I had a bloke on my GTP course who got down to the last 2 months, but dropped out because he just couldn't be arsed to sort out the year's worth of paperwork that was floating around in the boot of his car. He went on to be a great nurse.

newtb · 01/09/2021 22:23

There was a trainee student at Edge Hill Liverpool in the 70s. She was silly and stupid and preferred to talk with her friends in the lab while doing a standard chemistry experiment. She and all her friends were training to be chemistry teachers. She'd heard the chat about it being really, vitally important to always put the conc sulphuric, conc nitric, conc hyrochloric etc bottles back in the correct order.
She was so good, she didn't need to check, she just reached out blindly and grabbed what she thought was either nitric or hydrochloric acid - can't remember the experiment now, I qualified in 1979 as a chemist.

Anyway, the correct preparation of oxygen is manganese dioxide, potassium permanganate as a catalyst and I'm tempted to say conc nitric as the acid. They're both monobasic acids, with molarity equivalent to their normality, so not that important. Say nitric, as all nitrates are soluble. I'm feeling sick as I type this.

It is vitally important. The flask she used ended up in the Laboratory of the Liverpool City Analyst at 123 Mount Pleasant. Vitally. The remains of the flask were submitted by the Coroners Court.

If you add Conc Sulphuric acid to Permanganate you get Permanganate anydride, because conc sulphuric will strip the water out of anything, skin, leaving just carbon behind. I had conc sulphuric acid burns on my face that summer, I had black circles on my skin, they peeled off leaving pink skin under. No report, no accident book no nothing. Bigger sigh of relief, there was a public health lab, they had Crown Immunity, so the whole building did, no need to call HSE.

Maybe teacher training colleges like Edge Hill did, probably so. The teacher was sick and tired of explaining until she/he was blue in the face. A burn helps learning whether in the kitchen or elsewhere.

She was blown to pieces in the explosion. Her friend had burns to her eyes, lost the sight of at least one eye, and one hand.

The chemistry lab was completely and utterly destroyed, the block too from memory, and it would have made front page news in the Echo, the Lancashire Evening Post, and the Liverpool Daily Post.

As a 19 year old medical biochem student, with a summer job in the County Analyst's Lab, it certainly made an impression on me. Back at uni I was a pain in the arse insisting that bottles were in the right place in the rack above my head. We each had our own. I told the story, much muttering of Perkin Elmer.

However, maybe lessons were learned at the time, it would have been about 1973, they still had samples from the Liverpool City Coroner in 1975. My lovely sensitive supervisor peered at a blood alcohol Herbie was doing, saying that looks good, what is it? Herbie cut him down to size, RTA, the victim, the driver said he couldn't help but hit him, so he blamed the victim.

I don't know how many young women were killed. I imagine none of them ever entered a chemistry lab again, and if alive are still suffering from PTSD. I hope they got decent counselling, but I doubt it.

So, a lab/block destroyed, I trainee teacher killed with not much to pick up of the remains, her best friend maimed for life, the entire class deeply traumatised.

They never got another chance to go before a class, just as well, they'd have killed them.

But, but, it is nowhere on the Edge Hill website, not on the history, nor where it speaks of its excellence in training chemistry graduates to teach chemistry. My chemistry student was great, I loved organic chemistry, reaction chemistry, and at tech, I had Derek Thorpe, a complete nutter who said organic was just cooking, he's right, but who lay across the front desks - the after lunch beer and butty graveyard shift, asking what was government, leading to a very thorough and painful explanation of the HSE, its origin as an umbrella , applying all previous legislation, Offices, Shops, Railways, Mines, Shipyards, to each and every workplace site. It still does.
I worked at a local research lab, our little group hoped we'd found a new compound. It hinged on melting point. I smuggled samples out to test them on his Koffler block to get a really accurate melting point, with my 2 boss's approval and that of the section manager. It was ground breaking work. He had GC-Mass spec for the next stage. But, it never happened. The project got pulled, and it would have been gross misconduct from a household name to continue.

While working on this maverick team of 3, my then boss, told me to clean some glass tubes for polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis with permanganic anhydride. I just said, "no", might have said Piss off. Bugger off was a normal insult between us, we were a good team. I then pointed out that 2 women and the chemistry block at Edge Hill had been destroyed by the last person I knew to have done this. Thankfully in his latest published paper, the method used to clean them was "appropriate", he probably had nightmares about it for a while. He didn't know, he was a biochemist. He would have known about the accident, thought they were stupid whatever they'd done, and got on with his home brewing, his diy - it was brilliant, or something else. He was right. They were stupid, silly etc but they didn't deserve to die.

They need to be remembered, not whitewashed out of existence on the swanky Edge Hill University website. They deserve their memorial. Without their sacrifice, the chemistry department wouldn't be as good as it is today. If it's just marketing guff, it still needs to be known, as they're just hiding they've had horrendous problems in the past.

Let's just hope, and pray, that their lab supervision is by proper chemists, with real industrial experience, not just someone who's gone from school, to uni, to PGCE, to school and never wanted to work in a lab in the holidays. I never wanted to teach, wanted to work in a lab all my life, but didn't.

I was extremely lucky and fortunate to be taught proper chemistry at an old-fashioned tech by proper qualified FRIC chemists. The head of dept did a 3 year HND, with an endorsement for Part I GRIC, a 3 year PhD at UMIST, and then to the tech as HoD. He was crap, it showed. He was scared stiff of us, each and everyone of the students he taught above HNC level had about 10 times more industrial experience than he had. He did have uses, we had a full-time 6 week exam prep, project part of the course, we argued that as a full time course we were like uni students - might have been my idea - and that as such we deserved to have Weds afternoon free - to play sport (and then go and drink beer). Some times the sport was Crown Green bowls, and beer. Derek was always there, Guy sometimes - he taught physical, the lovely guy who taught synthesis like a foreign language with LRIC. Funnily, the HoD never came. It was better without his "when I was doing my PhD" stories.

Some of the guys had worked on the plant at Shell, lovely guys, but, not to be messed with, looking for the chance to thump him. He'd never worked shifts in an oil refinery. One guy worked in a candle makers, molton wax can do a lot of very nasty damage. So can sugar......I made my own golden syrup, it was a little bit too concentrated....I thought I'd taste some.
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It was vicious, it ripped half of the wall of an upper 7 molar away, full of filling, not worth repairing, needs a crown, costs, 550€

What a ......well TIT Blush

JeffVaderneedsatray · 01/09/2021 22:24

I had a student who refused to speak to me on his first day because he wanted to speak to the HOD (me) and that couldn't be me because I wasn't a man........
Then he taught lacklustre lessons, ignoring my scheme of work because he didn't want to get out resources.
Then he observed me teaching an observed lesson and commented that he wasn't going to bother with all that effort because he didn't plan to make that much effort in any of his lessons.
And finally disappeared a week before he was due to finish taking 90 of my exercise books with him (because he'd done no marking and was told he had to catch up). He couriered them back to me 2 weeks later........

Suetully · 01/09/2021 22:24

My daughter had a student teacher who put on the boy in striped pyjamas to watch while she marked papers. They were 7 so totally inappropriate. She told me years later

It is a 12s and I read this with a year 7 class and watched it. Didn't see the problem. Don't be so precious.