Biden reproductive rights policies controversial?!

[Saltedcaramel78]

So I was at friends birthday brunch today. DF had invited quite a few people I don't know at all.

Anyway, one of the women mentioned to me she's not a fan of Biden at all. I said I thought he'd done a pretty good job so far and asked what she wasn't a fan of and she said it was the laws he changed on abortion. Now I'm not up to date american politics at all beyond coronavirus, so said "oh, isn't he just reversing some of the crazy trump policies, what's wrong with that?" She then started talking about how he's making it easier to get late term abortions, it's immoral, how could he etc etc. At this point, given the context of where we were, I just shut the conversation down saying ah it's a tricky subject but I think anything that gives women more reproductive rights is a good thing.

So just to ask - what is Biden actually proposing that's so controversial? Have done a bit of googling but as far as I know, he's not changing any laws that we don't already have as accepted practise in the UK?

What I found a bit upsetting is that this woman had her teen daughter with her (16ish I think), who was passionately nodding along and saying she only agrees with abortion in specific cases but not if a woman accidentally gets pregnant. Like I said, I didn't think it was the time to get into a debate about it but it was just very surprising to me in this day and age.

I have no idea how you can be a fan of a man who has destroyed the future of millions of Afghan women.
Biden is an absolute disgrace.

@FreshFreesias

I have no idea how you can be a fan of a man who has destroyed the future of millions of Afghan women. Biden is an absolute disgrace.

I'll second that.

So how can you say you think he’s done a good job when you’ve admitted you know nothing of American politics?

And yes I agree, he’s abandoning millions of Afghan women.

@FreshFreesias

I have no idea how you can be a fan of a man who has destroyed the future of millions of Afghan women. Biden is an absolute disgrace.

Ok I think this is going to to turn into a pile on.

As I have said - I am not up to date with US politics beyond decisions regarding coronavirus. I did not say I was "a fan", simply that I thought he'd done a pretty good job regarding the pandemic. The jovial language I used was because I was at a DF's intimate bday party with lots of kids around, hence wanting to keep things light.

I am horrified about the situation in Afghanistan and have done a fair bit of personal contribution - at no point have I said I agree with (or know enough about) the US's actions in this.

Agh,

To answer your original question, I agree that it’s a good thing that he has made it possible for women to get later term abortions more easily

I started this thread admitting my lack of knowledge about his policies outside coronavirus, and was specifically asking if he's been making decisions that would be seen as controversial regarding reproductive rights of women (in the US).

He also believes TWAW.

@Nobloat21

He also believes TWAW.

Thank you.

Has he proposed any policies specifically regarding this?

@Saltedcaramel78

I started this thread admitting my lack of knowledge about his policies outside coronavirus, and was specifically asking if he's been making decisions that would be seen as controversial regarding reproductive rights of women (in the US).

I did actually answer you

TWAW?

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All he has done is reverse the usual things that Democrats reverse when they come into power, that is the Global Gag rule. That rule is an obscenity and stops women all over the world from getting safe reproductive healthcare. In addition he is looking at the composition of the Supreme Court to possible safeguard Roe vs Wade and at implementing the right to abortion in federal legislation. These are good things.

I am not getting into the trans debate on MN, it isn't a safe space.

As for Afghanistan - he is implementing the withdrawal that Trump started after his very flawed peace deal with the Taliban. Afghanistan is a poisoned chalice as much as Vietnam was - there can be no winners. The bottom line is that George W Bush went in because he knew it would boost him politically and everyone who came after has been left an impossible task.

Biden isn't perfect by any means, but on Afghanistan, no president on whatever political side can win.

I did actually answer you

@WandaVision2 with all due respect I was specifically asking about his policies regarding reproductive rights such as late term abortion, not just "oh agree with me that more reproductive rights are a good thing"

@Saltedcaramel78

I did actually answer you

@WandaVision2 with all due respect I was specifically asking about his policies regarding reproductive rights such as late term abortion, not just "oh agree with me that more reproductive rights are a good thing"

Wow, did you mean to sound so rude

Biden wants to introduce a law that will still allow abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned in the Supreme Court. He also wants to block an existing law that allows certain health coverage providers to refuse to cover abortion for their customers.

He advocates for LGBT+ communities. Addressing inequality is never a bad thing.

I disagree with his choices around Afghanistan, but in terms of his work in the US, he's doing a good job.

I can't see where Salted has been rude.

@UniversalAunt

TWAW?

Trans women are women.

@CorrBlimeyGG

I can't see where Salted has been rude.

Me either.

As somebody who work in reproductive services I feel that women having the ability to access to safe abortions is crucial. The amount of people who access late-term abortions are rather minimal, most are under 10 weeks here (U.K) thank to the ability to access treatment within a few days/weeks.

There are many women in countries where abortion is illegal who overdose on vitamin A and take all sorts of medication in the bid for a termination, and it is simply awful and puts their lives at risk.

Do we know what he is suggesting to be ‘late-term’?
Would it be 23+6 for personal reasons and not limited for genetic/lifesaving reasons? I’ve had a quick Google and can’t see anything.

Biden is seem to be doing well to those who have spent the last 4 years being outraged via twitter.

He was better than Trump, but Trump was a symptom not the cause, Biden has just prolonged that in regards to America First/general politics.

The problem with a two party state is that you have to vote for one of them in power, he is just as much anti women/workers rights/immigration as Trump but less brash, most of it will be still the same but with less scrutiny. Do you not wonder why ICE is not a hot topic anymore despite deporting the same and in some instances more than under Trump?