to support extinction rebellion - more London action tomorrow

[54321nought]

I am not sure what, but I have seen their previous demonstrations, and support their cause.

We were given badges at one event, and travelled home on public transport wearing them, and received absolutely nothing but 100% support from other travellers, which was nice, as I expected some hostility, publicly wearing their badges while roads in London were closed by them

Interesting article here on 3.5%. From 2019 but still relevant.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

To be honest 3.5 % of people changing the world is fucking terrifying.
I'd assume there's a hell of a lot more than 3.5% of people who champion less than noble causes.

@EstuaryBird

SelkieQualia

You know China is the world's leader in renewable energy right?

Really?………

That chart says they only investigated 21 countries - was China one of the 21?

China is investing heavily in renewables, we can define 'leader' in terms of % or actual amount.

@BelleOfTheProvince

To be honest 3.5 % of people changing the world is fucking terrifying. I'd assume there's a hell of a lot more than 3.5% of people who champion less than noble causes.

To get 3.5% turning out, you would need a lot more than that generally supportive as it is only a small group of any mindset who will take direct action.

@54321nought who on Earth appointed you God? What an entitled, selfish and pointless post! "Since when do you get to decide which "bad inconveniences" us lowly folk should endure? How dare you !

@CloseEncountersOfTheTurdKind thanks for this that's very encouraging. Was so scary for my child too.

@lannistunut
@SelkieQualia

Yes, apologies you are quite correct and I will asked for the post to be withdrawn.

I may be a poor peasant from East London but I can own up to a mistake.

How is holding up traffic and preventing people from using "cleaner" forms of public transport such as trains helping the environment? I can't imagine why anyone would want to support a group that are clueless idiots at best and down right raving hypocrites at worst. The various celebrities who endorse this whilst driving multiple cars and flying private jets are truly sickening. Prince Harry, Lewis Hamilton etc.

So you need to piss off less than 96.5 percent of the population?

Take a look at the poll op and ask yourself if you have the support you need.

I’ve just seen them playing musical chairs - mostly adults, one child from what I can see - the musical accompaniment being a mournful lament on panpipes.
There’s something a bit weird about adults playing children’s party games.
What next? Pass the parcel?

[quote EstuaryBird]@lannistunut
@SelkieQualia

Yes, apologies you are quite correct and I will asked for the post to be withdrawn.

I may be a poor peasant from East London but I can own up to a mistake.[/quote]
I am peasant too, never apologise for that

Hope not. Expect they'd leave the layers of paper there.

@mustlovegin

a lot of the pollution in Asia is our pollution, which we outsource

So the billions of people in Asia don't eat, don't travel, don't consume? All production is for the UK? Have you been to Asia OP?

Fgs most countries consume apart from China not just the UK

USA, Australia for example

How is holding up traffic and preventing people from using "cleaner" forms of public transport such as trains helping the environment?
The point is what we are doing about climate change now is so pathetic, what difference does it make if some people need to get a taxi today instead of the train?

I have been asking myself - is there a climate emergency? Yes. What do we need? Total overhaul of heating, transport, construction, manufacturing... Is this going to happen?

There are people on this thread talking about recycling ffs. We have been talking about recycling for thirty years. It is going to take a bit more than me diligently washing out my yogurt pots.

Do you realise the UK produces around 1% of emissions. We are amongst the last people on the planet who need to be going vegan and driving around like the Jetsons, whilst China 28% and USA 14% continue to cough out pollution and have no intentions whatsoever of addressing it.

@lannistunut

How is holding up traffic and preventing people from using "cleaner" forms of public transport such as trains helping the environment? The point is what we are doing about climate change now is so pathetic, what difference does it make if some people need to get a taxi today instead of the train?

I have been asking myself - is there a climate emergency? Yes. What do we need? Total overhaul of heating, transport, construction, manufacturing... Is this going to happen?

There are people on this thread talking about recycling ffs. We have been talking about recycling for thirty years. It is going to take a bit more than me diligently washing out my yogurt pots.

The difference it makes is that multiple people getting multiple taxis over a train taking lots of people at once is more harmful for the environment. So the methods extinction rebellion apply are completely counter productive!

@opaleyes2

Do you realise the UK produces around 1% of emissions. We are amongst the last people on the planet who need to be going vegan and driving around like the Jetsons, whilst China 28% and USA 14% continue to cough out pollution and have no intentions whatsoever of addressing it.

It is sometimes about leadership though, and doing what you can.

I also feel that China are correct to view the switch to renewables as being about power security as well as climate. We would be so much more secure if not dependent on pipelines and drilling in remote parts of the world.

The desire to continue with oil is about entrenched economic interests, not what is best for the UK population.

So taking a taxi or driving a car is not going to matter when XR are in town.

So why bother taking public transport at all

The difference it makes is that multiple people getting multiple taxis over a train taking lots of people at once is more harmful for the environment. So the methods extinction rebellion apply are completely counter productive! This is a pretty myopic way of looking at it though, you have missed the point of my post which is that fractional difference is not going to change anything - we need much much more meanngful policy shifts.

You are missing the point. XR are not running model sustainability demonstrations or educational workshops on ‘how to reduce your carbon footprint’.

They are trying to get governments and the fossil fuel industry to ACT NOW. Like, TODAY.

Do you honestly believe that developing countries will follow our example because we demonstrated leadership. I hope you realise how patronising that is.

@Bythemillpond

So taking a taxi or driving a car is not going to matter when XR are in town.

So why bother taking public transport at all

I can't fathom if this is a cynical 'clever' response, or genuinely not understanding why that is not relevant to what XR are trying to do.

@opaleyes2

Do you honestly believe that developing countries will follow our example because we demonstrated leadership. I hope you realise how patronising that is.

I was thinking of pressure on other developed econmies, e.g. Europe.

It is not patronising to think that voters in democracies see policy shifts in neighbouring countries.

It happened with the vote, it happened with welfare, it happened with workplace rights, it happened with racial equality.

@lannistunut

The difference it makes is that multiple people getting multiple taxis over a train taking lots of people at once is more harmful for the environment. So the methods extinction rebellion apply are completely counter productive! This is a pretty myopic way of looking at it though, you have missed the point of my post which is that fractional difference is not going to change anything - we need much much more meanngful policy shifts.

It isn't myopic it is realistic. Applying hypocritical methods is never an effective way to convert anyone to change. I think most of us can agree climate change needs to be tackled but there are much bigger fish to fry. Companies could be boycotting Palm Oil for example. A few hundred pink haired shims swinging out of trains and preventing people from getting to work is just not helping anyone.