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Toxic MIL, weak FIL but both causing problems

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Pastymamma010 · 16/08/2021 15:15

I've been lurking in these threads for years, but it has taken me a while to post. I think for years I have convinced myself that I am being unreasonable when I complain about the extreme level of interference in our relationship (and our lives in general) by my in-laws. However, before having a baby it seemed an easier conversation to have with myself. My DD is now 4 months old and, well, shit has gotten crazy.

Long post ahead, but will try to keep it short.

Been with partner for over 10 years, he's an only child. His parents have no friends. I mean ZERO. They have a lot of money and their only "connections" are with their "friends" that work at Gucci, LV, Chanel etc. They like to remind us of these connections often. For the most part, the FIL is bearable, if not pretty weak and kinda preachy. Whatever.

The MIL. This is another story. Before becoming pregnant I'd say we got on well. She definitely had her moments, and the way she speaks to her son leaves a lot to be desired, but I often brushed it off and it didn't bother me that much. Once I fell pregnant, boy did things get weird.

It started when my MIL used her medical connections to obtain the results of our blood tests (without telling us) and finding out the gender of our baby. She called me all excited and told me she knew what we were having, called her son out of a work meeting and made us play a guessing game. It was horrific. We both lost it at her, and she eventually told us we were having a girl and, oh, she'd already told her husband. I spent the rest of the day crying that this moment had been stolen from us. When confronting her, she denied all responsibility, blamed her clinic receptionist who apparently called and got the results...wtf. Not even a sorry.

16 weeks pregnant I'm in the car with them, my partner isn't with us. They decide to tell me the story about how they had an abortion before they had their son (I already knew this but they repeated it anyway) and when they did so they felt it was a girl. Once they knew I was having a girl they feel that this is their daughter come back to them. Not a paraphrase, actual words. Now, I was in a car with them on my own, 16 weeks pregnant, had to spend the day with them and relied on them to take me home. Once I got home I burst into tears, told my partner what happened. He burst out laughing and said "that's fkng insane."... and told me to let it go. Obviously I didn't let it go, I have brought it up many times because, well, that's messed up.

Baby born via emergency c section 4 weeks early, traumatic birth and a covid lockdown. My whole family live overseas and have been unable to come to see me. His parents insisted on rushing to the hospital when I was rushed to emergency. They came into the room as I was being prepped for surgery (partner was at home grabbing my bags). MIL approached the OBY to explain some important customs for the baby's birth and FIL just stood against the wall. I should say at this point, they're both medical professionals. Then they both proceeded to complain to me that my partner had asked them to go home, and that he would call when the baby was born. Their feelings are very hurt, and they don't think it's right that they should leave. I had to reinforce that message whilst the nurse was waiting to insert a catheter into me (without pain relief, as you do). At this stage I didn't know if I or my baby would make it, it was that serious a situation and they knew that. Eventually they left. On their way out, my MIL had a chat to the midwife and said "as we're doctors can we come back tonight even though it's outside of visiting hours". The midwife didn't really know how to respond, but when she came back in the room I told that categorically cannot happen.

Post birth my baby went into the special care nursery, I didn't see her for 7 hours. I was hurting, physically and emotionally. But of course my in laws were there every day during EVERY visiting hour window, to the exclusion of my own friends and the people close to me. They would visit the baby in the SCN and then sit in the room for the remainder of the two hours shooting tequila and celebrating. I was an absolute wreck, I asked my partner for some breathing space from them and, well, that went down like a lead balloon. TBH I was too tired to fight. Both his parents and my partner bought me expensive gifts, gave them to me in the hospital, and got upset that I didn't seem more excited.

Fast forward to home day for baby (I've already had to be home without baby for over a week). MIL offers to drive me to the hospital so partner and FIL can clean up ready for baby to come home. MIL is a women's health professional and self declared expert on all things pregnancy and BF. So, when I need to BF my baby in the nursery (which was already proving hard) not only did she not leave the room, she reached over and started massaging my breasts whilst the baby was latching. I told her no you don't need to do that, but she continued to to do it. I honestly froze. By that stage I had had so many nurses hand expressing me, I was used to feeling pretty crap. Add to that this felt just plain weird, and totally inappropriate. I told my partner, and he agreed that was a massive overstep, but said it was up to me to approach my MIL about it.

Consistent theme of our relationship - it's always up to me to approach his parents if I have an issue. His words "we've been together long enough you should be able to deal with it now".

Get home and I start seeing a psychologist because I can't shake the post baby blues. Both in laws know I am struggling because they were always at the hospital and saw me having multiple emotional breakdowns. Oddly, almost all my conversations with my psych revolve around the in-laws and specifically the MIL.

I can't type everything in detail as it will take days but below is a highlight reel:

  • Insisted on being home when we brought baby home and stayed for hours (I let this go, pick your battles)
  • Came over every day for the first 10 days. EVERY DAY. My partner did not see the issue with this but eventually agreed to tell them to give us some breathing room.
  • At first they helped around the house, that soon stopped. Now they come only to see the baby and drink alcohol. At least it's not every day.
  • complained in the hospital when the baby was referenced against my surname and not her son's.
  • told me just after the birth that she lies awake at night thinking about my DD and that something bad is going to happen to her. Tells me how traumatised she was by the birth.
  • Called out my "cankles" to my friends at our baby shower and how self-conscious I was about them. And when I say called out I mean actually in a very loud voice.
  • Took a photo of her and her husband holding the baby and posted it in her family group with her extended family saying "happy family" (me and hubby were not in the photo).
  • Posted selfies of her kissing my baby very closely (didn't know she'd taken these until she posted)
  • Has repeatedly told me what I should be doing with the baby and when (feeds, nappies, solids etc). I feel this is not unusual for a crazy-ass MIL and it generally doesn't bother me that much.
  • repeatedly took the baby from my arms without asking (also does this to other people), including when I was comforting the baby after her immunisations. Passed her around to her friends to hold.
  • Told my friends when they could and couldn't hold her (I learned about this later).
  • Kept correcting the nurses in the SCN when they were doing their jon (again, I found this out later).
  • Told me her son was not interested in becoming a dad and he would be useless, I should just rely on her.
  • Kept pressuring me to leave the baby (from birth) in particular for overnight feeds. My partner supported her on this. To the point where she one day told me it WAS happening that night. I laughed in her face and told her it wasn't. She hasn't tried to do it since, and baby sleeps through now anyway.
  • says things about our parenting in a baby voice to my baby but in front of me.
  • Gets annoyed at my baby if she doesn't get a smile out of her, sits next to me when I am holding her and stares. I mean, really stares.
  • Told my daughter she was "annoying" for only being interested in her mum. My daughter is 16 weeks old. I told her it was very normal for a baby to want her mum, she stroked my arm and said oh yes of of course, it's a good thing.
  • has an anxious obsession that something bad will happy to my daughter, so is constantly performing spiritual prayers over head and marking her ear with a black mark to ward off the evil eye. This happens EVERY time she sees her.
  • Immediately after my FIL praised me for being a good mum my MIL said "yes but how are you moods these days" I said "my moods?" and she said "yes, well, they weren't very good at the start were they."
  • Said to my daughter "why are you looking at mummy, she's not brown like us, she's not like us"...(FYI in Australia, Indian people refer to themselves as brown and it is not considered offensive. I apologise if this is offensive to anyone reading the post, I do not use this terminology. However, these were her words, kindly pointing out the difference between my daughters skin and mine. Me being white anglo saxon).
  • Called me a spoil sport for not wanting to shot tequila with them during the week when I am caring for my baby.

I could go on, but my fingers hurt. Sometimes I confront her, and sometimes I don't. I honestly don't know why.

When I talk to my partner we almost always end up arguing and these are his stock standard responses -

  • She "doesn't know what she's saying"
  • You're being over sensitive
  • That's not what she said
  • She really loves you
  • You should talk to her about it
  • You are both adults, it's your problem

In a nutshell, he's weak AF.

They usually come every weekend and usually once during the week. This weekend I asked for some space. Which I got but it came at the expense of an entire weekend of fights, and some serious guilt trips. Not to mention his parents calling me constantly.

It got too much and I asked my partner for some space, as my mental health is suffering. He's gone back to his parents for a couple of days (not ideal) and his mum said I will go over to your house while you're here. Thankfully he said no, don't do that. But he did message me and say see this is how much she cares. The reality is, she is coming FOR THE BABY and the baby alone. That's been her pattern of behaviour, I just couldn't list it all here in detail.

Then, at 11pm at night, my FIL is calling me. I messaged my partner and asked why is your dad calling me at 11pm at night. His response, I don't know, he's probably just worried about you. They really love you.

Sigh.

For background - my MIL left my partner when he was 3 months old to pursue her graduate studies in another country, and did not return until he was 3 years old. She visited him occasionally and he was primarily raised by his auntie (dad's sister). Over the years I have heard his mum call him a loser, question his sexuality (she suggested I was a sham girlfriend), both parents tell him that he doesn't love them, he's just waiting for them to die. Dare I say, it's borderline abusive.

BUT they give him lots of money, buy him expensive crap and tell him their happiness is tied to his happiness. Except for the time his mum said we've cut you out of the will, it's all going to your daughter now. This was a serious comment and reflected what actually happened in reality. MIL also wants to give my daughter here entire life savings.

My relationship is totally on a knife edge. This is all on top of multiple prolonged lockdowns as new parents and adjusting to new parenthood. Hard enough.

I think for years I just gave her my power, and didn't contemplate the impact it could have long term. Now I see he is completely unable to stand up to her. He insists he supports me but says it's not his battle. Now he's living there for a few days, it will probably get worse as he will just see them as being worried and wanting to support, rather than being a big part of the problem. We have no boundaries, he tells them everything, and he gave them a house key without telling me or discussing it with me first. So, naturally, after the weekend of no visits they came around mid week unannounced and let themselves in. They used to help, now when they come over, if the baby is asleep MIL gets in a huff and just sits on her phone demanding a drink until baby wakes up. Alcohol is a pervasive and dominant part of their lives. My partner started drinking a lot mid week, when I addressed the issue he stopped for a while, but he has now started again. He has grown up in a household where regular excessive consumption of alcohol is a normal thing. When I say regular consumption I mean pretty much every day.

I love him very much, and for the sake of my daughter I want it to work. He refuses relationship counselling and I'm at my wits end.

I see a psych and she has labelled his upbringing as abusive parenting and advised I distance myself from his parents for my own well being (she has more information than I have given here but my fingers are just exhausted). She has advised me against leaving, for now.

I am so mad at myself that I let it get to this stage and now I feel trapped.

I'm sorry for any typos, it's late and my eyes are blurry.

I know in my heart I am not being unreasonable. My partner had a borderline breakdown at the thought of having to address these issues with his own mother. When I met him he was bulimic and had a major anxiety disorder. Red flags? Yes. Did I follow my gut? No.

And now here we are.

OP posts:
Marmelace · 16/08/2021 21:35

Sorry missed where it says you're in Australia

peboh · 16/08/2021 21:40

Get rid of your partner, then it removes the in law issues on your time.
Seriously the whole situation if toxic as hell. Get out.

ParistoLondon · 16/08/2021 21:41

@Thatsjustwhatithink

This can't be real. Or in a bizarre country.

But I've never heard of any doctor/medical facility giving out medical information to a non relative in this way.

As a former nurse, I can confirm this DOES (unfortunately) happen and it's not uncommon. At all. Especially when someone like the OP's MIL comes in, guns blazing so to speak "...But I'm a doctor, surely I can enquire after my DIL's health, I don't see the issue, we're both professionals blah blah blah" I've heard plenty of doctors give out information they're not supposed to. It's disgraceful but it most definitely happens.
Abbreviatethisplease · 16/08/2021 21:41

@oknowimscared

Get out. And get a better psych. Can’t believe they’ve told you to stay!
Yes a psych wouldn't advise to stay or go. This is defo made up
Iputthetrampintrampoline · 16/08/2021 21:42

OP I want you to hear this ....YOU and YOU alone have the power here. You have what they want Your baby, You are in such a powerful position here if only you could see it. Goodness me i wish I was stood beside you because I would stop this madness in 5 mins flat. My darling girl you only need to do this once if you do it right, You need to find your inner strength those feelings you have of protection for your baby you need to channel that fearless unbending power inside you and fling it back at them.They do not control you..they do not own you they do not decide anything about your life or that of your child,You are old enough to be a wife and mother and they are ther by default cos you allow them to be, Tell them,,,tell them directly that if they do not cease you are leaving with the baby and its the very last you will see of them and mean it, Shout scream be icy calm whatever you decide but say enough,,no more and mean it,Make them dance to your tune with fear hold your nerve and fight back for YOU and for your baby at this point your husband is sadly irrelevant too so I would be giving him a wide berth too until he sees where his priorities should lay, You can do this...You really can, Do it right once and you will frighten them to death and they will comply they will.

Dontwatchfootball · 16/08/2021 21:42

I am so sorry to hear this. Your DP sounds so beaten down by them that he has become as weak as his father. And has to deny and excuse their behaviour because the idea of standing up to them is so frightening for him. But you have to draw your lines and decide what you can deal with. You may to give him an ultimatum about your relationship because as long as he can put off dealing with this he will. He is taking no responsibility here but if he is old enough to start a family, he is old enough to draw some boundaries. So sorry for you both, she sounds like a complete nightmare.

PersonaNonGarter · 16/08/2021 21:43

If this is real, then you need to leave.

AliceMcK · 16/08/2021 21:54

Do what your partner says stand up to her and lay down some rules, mainly back the fuck off, they come over only when invited, they don’t touch your child unless you say it’s ok, if you want advice you will ask for it. If your partner has a problem you tell him he wanted you to deal with them yourself so you have, if he dosnt like it he should have done something himself.

The slightest bit of push back you tell them if they don’t like it you will be reporting them for breaching your privacy by accessing your medical records and stopping access to YOUR child altogether.

Thatsjustwhatithink · 16/08/2021 21:56

@ParistoLondon

I'd get that if the DIL was in an accident and unconscious, but ringing at a hospital and demanding the sex of a baby that's not yours?
This just doesn't ring true.

Also the Indian/Australian MIL using the words cankles- that is pure Brit language.

Added to the idea that a 'traditional' Indian family (as the OP is setting the family up as) where the mother of a son goes of to do graduate studies in another country?

This post just gives me the 'not true' vibe

Pastymamma010 · 16/08/2021 21:56

@Abbreviatethispleaae It's not made up. I am not a troll, this is my life. For context, my psychologist did not advise to stay or leave. Her response was in the context of the conversation we were having about my partner's refusal to acknowledge the issue. She's a very good psychologist and without her I would probably be in a much darker place right now

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Pastymamma010 · 16/08/2021 22:03

@Thatsjustwhatithink she didn't call the hospital, she called the clinical lab during my pregnancy. Read the post above from the nurse, this routinely happens.

Yes it is British language, I am British. I am a dual national living in Australia. That being said the term cankles is fairly ubiquitous as far as I can tell.

Yes she moved to another city to pursue graduate studies. We're talking 30 years ago, in India. Even now it's not uncommon to travel very far for studies and leave home. Read the news, plenty of Australian-Indian grandchildren seperated from their parents due to Australia's strong border closures. These kids have gone back on holiday to India without their parents. From what I can gather that's not uncommon.

Just because you can't believe it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Debetswell · 16/08/2021 22:10

@Thatsjustwhatithink you're very naive.
I intervened when a senior manager in pathology used her seniority to try and get a young member of staff to find her dd's blood results.

And the word cankle was popularised in an American movie. So not pure Brit language.

Pastymamma010 · 16/08/2021 22:11

@Howshouldibehave they weren't doing shots in the waiting room, it was in my private room at the hospital. I mentioned alcohol is a regular and large part of their life. I wasn't kidding. Every day is tequila day. And yes, they do shots in the car. They have shot glasses in their glove box. I am not joking. They routinely abuse alcohol. My DP has been raised to believe this is normal.

My MIL called the clinical lab for the results. This is not uncommon, doctors are given extensive privilege in Australia, within the medical profession. They were allowed to come into my room when I was being prepped for surgery, even though it was outside of visiting hours and visitors to the theatre suites were strictly prohibited. Don't ask me how it is allowed to happen, but it does happen.

OP posts:
Kernowfornia · 16/08/2021 22:15

Have a huge unmumsnetty hug for your family and an extra squeeze for just you. Flowers

Pastymamma010 · 16/08/2021 22:16

@Iputthetrampintrampoline thank you for your words and strength x

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sunflowersummer1 · 16/08/2021 23:07

bloody hell. you need to cut this nutcase off ASAP

Rangoon · 16/08/2021 23:19

I would simply tell her to get out of my house and if she refused to leave I'd call the police. I'd keep her banned too and change the locks.

I'd tell your husband if he lets her in or gives her a key that your marriage is over. If your husband wants to go see her he can. I would be blocking them on all my devices.

Tell her you are considering reporting her and her husband to the Medical Board (if you are in Australia) or whatever is the relevant organisation about them obtaining your medical data. If it were me, I wouldn't just threaten to do so either. There has been the most awful breach of medical confidentiality. I would be contacting whatever organisation/clinic/hospital released the data too complaining about the breach and asking what they were going to do about it. I would have special instructions put on my medical file that no data was to be released to your crazy doctor in laws.

The thing is that your MIL has done these things because you didn't have boundaries. She took this craziness as far as she has because you let her. I guess it is the boiled frog syndrome and you don't realise how crazy things had become.

Your real problem though is that your husband is weak. He should have your back against this toxic pair but he doesn't. I don't think I could continue to be married to somebody like this but you are obviously very easy going and may have your reasons for putting up with this. I personally don't think love is enough in the circumstances and you may wish to start planning to leave when your daughter is a little bit older. I would be getting a passport for my daughter and keeping it somewhere very safe - perhaps with a solicitor - to prevent them getting a passport and going off with the baby.

From a legal point of view, I suspect it may be very difficult to move back to your home country with the baby. I would seek legal advice on that point if you are considering it. Your husband would almost certainly contest it egged on by his crazy parents. I'd be doing everything to keep my qualifications up to date and staying employable too.

BatshitBanshee · 17/08/2021 00:09

for the sake of my daughter I want it to work. He refuses relationship counselling and I'm at my wits end.

This is a whole family dynamic that your daughter doesn't need to be raised with. None of this will get better and your partner will never change. This is causing you far too much stress so I would separate and enlist a no contact order against your ILs. They're far too involved and your MIL is insane.

If you do decide on leaving, do not even hint at that to your DP or ILs, your MIL is the type to completely lose any shred of rationality and I'd be worried for your daughter's safety & yours.

Justilou1 · 17/08/2021 00:34

Australia has a very strict privacy act. Your MIL violated this by contacting the lab without your permission. You are entitled to make a formal complaint about this. I think you should.

Your DH sounds like he is following in his parents footsteps with the drinking and lack of boundaries. This family culture isn’t going to change. Only you can decide if you can live with it or not. My opinion is that money is thrown at you as hush money for unprofessional and unacceptable social behaviour. If your DH is letting them walk all over you, you are also allowing this. You need to change the rules or go. Start saying no and refusing to let them in the house. Send text messages stating that 11pm is not an acceptable time to EVER call anyone and that when you ask for space, you expect them to give you exactly that. When your DH minimizes their behaviour call him out on it. “That’s just how much they care…” Bullshit. Calling at 11pm is not caring. It’s rude, intrusive and domineering. They wouldn’t call anyone they respected at this time of night. They are constantly marking their territory and this has got to stop.
If he isn’t going to grow a spine, you must.

QueenBee52 · 17/08/2021 01:29

Im stunned about her violating your privacy to ask for your blood results to determine the sex of your unborn child ...

I cannot get my head around this.. this alone has the alarm bells ringing like klaxons 🔴

WTF

you need to leave all 3 of them and take yourself and your Child to safety. 🌸

gobackanddoitproperly · 17/08/2021 02:42

I’m Australian and ‘cankles’ has been around forever. And yes to Indian children spending large amounts of time with grandparents. They were the two points that rang the truest! I believe the rest, though.

What a nightmare OP. Sorry if I missed it… is your family supportive?

Pastymamma010 · 17/08/2021 03:21

@gobackanddoitproperly they are, but they are in another country. Helpfully, I do have my brother here and he is incredibly supportive and extremely upset by what is happening. He wants me to move in with him. My parents and other siblings are overseas. My parents have been trying to get here for the last 12 months but multiple flights have been cancelled due to the border caps and restrictions in Australia. They have another flight booked for November so touch wood that goes ahead.

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gobackanddoitproperly · 17/08/2021 03:27

Would you go to your brother? Your current situation sounds Just awful.

The boarder restrictions are awful for many families. Including mine. I’m sorry.

gobackanddoitproperly · 17/08/2021 03:28

Border

Iwonder08 · 17/08/2021 03:29

This is the worst IL story I've heard about... OP, even if your DH was the most amazing man (and he isn't) I would leave just to remove these horrid people from my life. Honestly, from what you are describing I would actually relocated to minimise the contact.
If you are not willing to do so, I would try to do something I rarely advise to anyone. Create a loud open conflict. Tell her, preferably in front of your son, she is insanely inappropriate, in fact, tell her you understand she is using your daughter to overcompensate for the fact she dumped her own baby and went to another country for years. Hopefully she will be offended enough.

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