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To think that the whole gcse / A level grading system is rigged

260 replies

SparklesandGold · 13/08/2021 18:23

Just my opinion.

But isn’t it funny how GCSE and A level grades have significantly for higher ever since exams were cancelled?

I can’t help but think the whole thing is flawed. I am not teacher bashing, but come on, It’s hardly surprising to wonder if some, not all, teachers bumped their students grades up intentionally.

AIBU?

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TSSDNCOP · 13/08/2021 19:14

Also, opinions are like arseholes; everyone's got one, but we don't all need to hear it.

Greenmarmalade · 13/08/2021 19:14

As a teacher I did try to put grades as high as possible whilst being fair and realistic. I didn’t want my students to miss out on life chances due to lockdown.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 13/08/2021 19:14

@SparklesandGold

What gets me is that some students complain that they’ve had it so tough.. their exams were cancelled, what more could they want?
I'm sorry but if you don't have a child of exam age you don't get it. My son and all his friends would have preferred exams! The number of formal assessments and mock exams was immense and a lot more in number than the actual exams would have been...all sat in exam conditions!
MrsHamlet · 13/08/2021 19:14

@SparklesandGold

I’m not saying they don’t deserve good grades.

If they’ve worked hard and have a good understanding of their subject, then they deserve a high grade.

If they haven’t worked hard and don’t have a good understanding of their subject then sorry, but no, they don’t deserve a high grade.

And we're telling you that that's his grades were awarded. And we know because we did it.
Imapotato · 13/08/2021 19:15

If they haven’t worked hard and don’t have a good understanding of their subject then sorry, but no, they don’t deserve a high grade.

If they didn’t have a good understanding of a subject they wouldn’t have been given a good grade. They had to prove, via many many pieces of work and smaller exams that they were working at that level. Dd has a friend who worked her sock off to try and pass maths and got a 2.

I don’t know why you’re thinking all these kids are getting grades they’re not capable of achieving. Hmm

Artdecolover · 13/08/2021 19:16

@TSSDNCOP

Is that you Auntie Barbara?

Your narrow and completely uninformed opinion is offensive to students, teachers, school leaders and parents all of whom had to try and perform in, I think even you would have to agree, unprecedented circumstances or did global events not reach under your rock?

FYI:

Exams did happen
Work was comprehensively assessed by expert teachers
Results were peer reviewed and moderated again by Leaders to minimise bias
Results were moderated by Ofqual

Did you bother asking any of that before you regurgitated the Daily Mail?

So depressing how little has been understood about the assessment process this year. The Government seem to want it that way, though.

Last year was such a disaster due to that ridiculous discriminatory algorithm.

This was the fairest way to gauge learning and knowledge - with obvious alterations for content not covered.

Hercisback · 13/08/2021 19:16

If they’ve worked hard and have a good understanding of their subject, then they deserve a high grade.

If they haven’t worked hard and don’t have a good understanding of their subject then sorry, but no, they don’t deserve a high grade.

Literally what happened.

SparklesandGold · 13/08/2021 19:17

Nope, not saying kids aren’t capable of achieving high grades.

Just saying, I think it’s odd that as soon as exams are cancelled, the top grades increase.

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Hercisback · 13/08/2021 19:18

No one is sensitive.

It's a bit like a thread saying "My bin person refused to take my rubbish because it had XYZ in". Then posters replying to say "actually that's the law/process the bin people follow".

Artdecolover · 13/08/2021 19:18

My son would have much preferred 6 exams and to have been taught the whole curriculum.

56 exams in 6 months. 2 x NEAs whilst also revising for exams every 6 weeks.

The workload was ridiculous.

HarrietDVane · 13/08/2021 19:18

@SparklesandGold

I’m not saying they don’t deserve good grades.

If they’ve worked hard and have a good understanding of their subject, then they deserve a high grade.

If they haven’t worked hard and don’t have a good understanding of their subject then sorry, but no, they don’t deserve a high grade.

What makes you think that students who didn't work hard or have a good understanding of the subject received high grades? Students were awarded the grades they deserved, based on a wide range of assessment criteria, backed up by copious evidence.
Artdecolover · 13/08/2021 19:19

@SparklesandGold

Nope, not saying kids aren’t capable of achieving high grades.

Just saying, I think it’s odd that as soon as exams are cancelled, the top grades increase.

I'll repeat again...

Continuous assessment is a fairer way to gauge knowledge and ability.

Ergo, grades go up.

What aren't you understanding????

Hercisback · 13/08/2021 19:19

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fourminutestosavetheworld · 13/08/2021 19:19

@LlamasintheFog

I agree OP, you'll get stick for saying it but it's a system which rewards compliant, likeable kids. They're often the cleverest. Not always.
It doesn't matter how compliant and likeable the kids in our school were. Raw data was anonymised and sent to SLT (initially, first step) for grading.
Artdecolover · 13/08/2021 19:20

All data is anonymised.

I don't think people grasp that.

TSSDNCOP · 13/08/2021 19:21

You think it's odd because you are ill-informed.

Why didn't you start a thread asking "could anyone with actual expert knowledge explain how the grades were assessed this year".

I am not a teacher.

I value my refuse collectors who also did an outstanding job this year with no disruption to service.

SparklesandGold · 13/08/2021 19:21

Well, ok, if it was as strict as you are all saying it is, I accept that I am BU.

But I don’t think anyone can blame me for wondering if there were flaws, and I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking that.

After all, my own DS got his btec results last summer and he was predicted a Distinction in one module when he barely showed up for class and barely did any work at all.

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SmallPrawnEnergy · 13/08/2021 19:22

A poster shared this the other day on a similar scathing thread and I think it needs posting again to be honest.

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You will read a lot this week about inflated A-Level grades with teacher's predictions and how teachers have deliberately exaggerated grades for their own gain.

Think again. We haven't. Let me explain.

Let's take five members of an A-Level class who are all slated to get B grades overall. They have been progressing all through the course towards those grades and look pretty good so far.
Now let's take a NORMAL examined year. Your five sure-shot B grades go into that exam room and sit those papers. Now let's go to August and you get the following:
Students 1 and 2 get B grades as expected
Student 3 spends extra hours revising, practising and practising, manages to revise the one question that comes up and gets an A
Student 4 drops to C because they were one mark off the higher-this-year boundaries. Any other year would have been a B.
Student 5 missed either one question/one text/one case study/one equation and dropped to a low C or even a D. Yup they screwed up, either by accident/stress/personal circumstances and there's at least one every year in every class who does.

Now let's take THIS year. Your five sure-shot B grades are back again, only now you have to predict their grades. They have all been consistently working to this level.

Do you give them all B's? Of course you do because that's your evidence. Which student becomes your scapegoat? Which one do you 'assume' will be the screw up or victim of boundaries? Student 1 who had that one bad assessment? Student 2 who has bad attendance? Student 3 who works at B grade but it is really low in the band? Student 4 who has major family issues? Student 5 who is actually capable of more but doesn't revise and blags assessments? No. You don't. Because you don't let (you are also forbidden to let) bias cloud your judgement. So they all get B's sent off, including that one student who may have managed an A.

So grades will go up and be artificially high, but of course they will, it's an anomaly year. You have no data to draw your usual bell curve from (what makes a B one year may not another).

Teachers haven't exaggerated grades, instead we are working against:

  • Previous years boundaries that go up and down, sometimes quite dramatically. I have had students get A's one year and C's in another with exactly the same mark.
  • Not knowing what is on the paper (e.g. mine only get examined on 2 out of 3 possible topics and if one particular one comes up, some students will do better)
  • Each year also brings 'bad' papers and 'good' papers - you get one bad paper/poor question/poorly worded section and that's your cohort all down - teachers have been asked to predict against this too.
  • Giving students the benefit of the doubt because you know they COULD and have demonstrated in assessment that they CAN so why not give them the grade?
  • Exam marking is notoriously unpredictable, inaccurate and uneven - particularly in essay based subjects even in regular years.
  • Also I cannot speak for other teachers but this year's group for me have been one of the most able I have had - and having a student's personal progress judged against previous who may have been less able/more disadvantaged/more scuppered by course changes seems ridiculous.

Also, quite bluntly, predicting and ranking exam candidates for teachers has been hellish. I don't think anyone would like to be asked to rank a group of people on their POSSIBLE performance knowing that the grades they give will make or break a student's future.

And finally, students WORKED for these grades. Teachers didn't magic them out of thin air. We based them on eighteen months of evidence, assessments and grades. And every time someone declares 'oh they aren't real grades' you belittle their work and achievements.

Save your judgements for the govt who turned schools into exam factories which means it's all on one or two papers at one moment in time.

(EDIT: This example can also be applied to the upcoming GCSE results too)

EDIT 2 - Also this year's grades will not be included in schools progress/judgements and league tables so it is literally in no teacher's interest to inflate grades artificially.

Artdecolover · 13/08/2021 19:22

Not sure how others internally moderated but my youngest sons school had an arrangement with a group of other schools to moderate each others grading.

So, grades were checked by class teacher, HOY, SLT, external moderator and then ofqual.

Pretty robust imo.

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 13/08/2021 19:22

You can't understand how grades have gone up when children have done numerous assessments and exams over the year showing their in depth knowledge improving steadily rather than doing one exam cramming in everything they've learnt in two years? Is it that hard to understand?

spookycookies · 13/08/2021 19:24

Top grades increased because they probably more accurately reflect students ability. Two stories.

I taught a kid. B grade kid. Predicted Bs all the way through. Would have got a B but he didn't turn up for his exam. When giving out teacher assessed grades would I give him a B or a U? Should I give out a handful of Us for kids who might not have turned up?

Taught another kid A kid. His family got evicted two days before his exam. He got a B. I would have given him an A.

And that's before the kids who run out of time, answer the wrong question, misinterpret the question or for whatever other reason mess up in their exam. **

AllTheSingleLadiess · 13/08/2021 19:24

The grades are better because teachers can't predict the kids who will mess up on the day and do something like turn 2 pages over instead of 1 and miss loads or marks.

Pixxie7 · 13/08/2021 19:24

Grades for both exams seem to be improving every year anyway, it is my understanding that there was some outside assessment to check for fairness. Of course teachers want the best for their students and to be fair they didn’t receive any training specific to doing this. Given the difficulties these students have faced over Covid I am glad so many have done well.
At the end of the day the exam results are a stepping stone to the next stage in their lives so does it really matter,

SunshineCake · 13/08/2021 19:25

Do you not know they are independently checked ?

TheMarzipanDildo · 13/08/2021 19:25

There have been so many threads explaining that teachers didn’t bump up the grades intentionally!

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