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A level grades

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DolphinFC · 10/08/2021 10:25

If feel that value of an A grade ar A level has been reduced dramatically. I feel truly sorry for those very bright, hard-working students who would've got an A grade no matter what. Their deserved A grade is now lost in a pile of undeserved A grades.

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ShaunaTheSheep · 10/08/2021 10:29
Biscuit Not the time to post this nonsense. How insensitive.
ChainJane · 10/08/2021 10:31

It's only for a couple of years of students though. Employers will just downgrade whatever the CV says for students who got their qualifications in 2020 or 2021. Unfortunate for genuinely gifted students this year but people from other years will be fine.

Also, if the student is that good, they should sail through university and get a decent result there. Generally whatever job people apply for, it's the highest level qualification that counts (other than ensuring someone has basic maths and English skills).

notsorighteousthesedays · 10/08/2021 10:36

Not even true - many students at my daughter's college have got results the same or even lower than previously predicted grades - although 'exams' were cancelled they did loads of final assessments at very short notice under exam conditions which was extremely stressful for a lot of them....

nokidshere · 10/08/2021 10:37

Don't be ridiculous. Anyone would think that all,students who got As today should have had D or E instead 🙄. There might be some who got A instead of B, or B instead of C but they might have achieved that anyway in 'a normal year'.

All our children deserve more support after the past couple of years. I'm happy for everyone who got decent grades today, and those that didn't will hopefully find a new path to tread.

ShaunaTheSheep · 10/08/2021 10:38

Employers will just downgrade whatever the CV says for students who got their qualifications in 2020 or 2021.

Why?

What a load of tosh. And I say this as a parent of hardworking, bright DC with excellent grades, who, yes, were top of their classes and would've got them anyway. These kids have had a sh*t time and have not had the opportunity to prove themselves.

Bryonyshcmyony · 10/08/2021 10:40

My dd got top grades and deserved every single one of them, she's very clever and worked very very hard. What people think about grade inflation is irrelevant to her, she's off to a top uni where no doubt she will excel.

Parker231 · 10/08/2021 10:40

It’s a different way of measuring attainment. It doesn’t mean a grade has been inflated.

SoupDragon · 10/08/2021 10:44

@DolphinFC

If feel that value of an A grade ar A level has been reduced dramatically. I feel truly sorry for those very bright, hard-working students who would've got an A grade no matter what. Their deserved A grade is now lost in a pile of undeserved A grades.
How do you know they were undeserved?
spongedod · 10/08/2021 10:46

A and above...

2018 - 26.2%

2019 - 25.2%

2020 - 27.6%

2021 - 44.3%

All taken fro Gov website.

Yes this huge rise will have a detrimental affect - how could it not?

ShaunaTheSheep · 10/08/2021 10:47

A detrimental effect on what?

Theredjellybean · 10/08/2021 10:47

I agree with op, but think it could be worded more sensitively.
If you look at the graph for percentage a grades awarded it was relatively steady until last Yr when it leapt up, and up again this year.
It isn't possible that we suddenly have two Yrs of students significantly brighter than before.
Half of all grades are now a or a*, come on... Do we honestly think that means we have 50% of our young people who are now considered the very highest elite academic achievers?
Good interview on BBC saying how tag remove the "had a bad day on the exam day" results, and it is a fairer reflection of pupils work over the course. That's nice, but how do universities and employers differentiate between candidates, especially if you need people who can perform under pressure. It's no good if you are in a job and can't deal with pressured situations, you can't say "but overall the time I have been working as a doctor I have been doing OK,"
I also feel dreadfully sorry for the very brightest, able, hard working kids whose grades are not reflective of them veing the top 2% anymore

ComtesseDeSpair · 10/08/2021 10:48

In a couple of years time, this will all be background noise. Once you either have a degree and / or or have been in a job for a bit and have employment experience, employers’ interest in whether you got an A or a B in English Literature when you were 18 dramatically tails off.

Theredjellybean · 10/08/2021 10:50

It's also a disservice to the kids who will be off to uni courses based on inflated grades, who when there may struggle with the academic expectations.
We have not done these young people any favours

hedgehogger1 · 10/08/2021 10:52

I did not write the following but think it needs sharing here

You will read a lot this week about inflated A-Level grades with teacher's predictions and how teachers have deliberately exaggerated grades for their own gain.

Think again. We haven't. Let me explain.

Let's take five members of an A-Level class who are all slated to get B grades overall. They have been progressing all through the course towards those grades and look pretty good so far.
Now let's take a NORMAL examined year. Your five sure-shot B grades go into that exam room and sit those papers. Now let's go to August and you get the following:
Students 1 and 2 get B grades as expected
Student 3 spends extra hours revising, practising and practising, manages to revise the one question that comes up and gets an A
Student 4 drops to C because they were one mark off the higher-this-year boundaries. Any other year would have been a B.
Student 5 missed either one question/one text/one case study/one equation and dropped to a low C or even a D. Yup they screwed up, either by accident/stress/personal circumstances and there's at least one every year in every class who does.

Now let's take THIS year. Your five sure-shot B grades are back again, only now you have to predict their grades. They have all been consistently working to this level.

Do you give them all B's? Of course you do because that's your evidence. Which student becomes your scapegoat? Which one do you 'assume' will be the screw up or victim of boundaries? Student 1 who had that one bad assessment? Student 2 who has bad attendance? Student 3 who works at B grade but it is really low in the band? Student 4 who has major family issues? Student 5 who is actually capable of more but doesn't revise and blags assessments? No. You don't. Because you don't let (you are also forbidden to let) bias cloud your judgement. So they all get B's sent off, including that one student who may have managed an A.

So grades will go up and be artificially high, but of course they will, it's an anomaly year. You have no data to draw your usual bell curve from (what makes a B one year may not another).

Teachers haven't exaggerated grades, instead we are working against:

  • Previous years boundaries that go up and down, sometimes quite dramatically. I have had students get A's one year and C's in another with exactly the same mark.
  • Not knowing what is on the paper (e.g. mine only get examined on 2 out of 3 possible topics and if one particular one comes up, some students will do better)
  • Each year also brings 'bad' papers and 'good' papers - you get one bad paper/poor question/poorly worded section and that's your cohort all down - teachers have been asked to predict against this too.
  • Giving students the benefit of the doubt because you know they COULD and have demonstrated in assessment that they CAN so why not give them the grade?
  • Exam marking is notoriously unpredictable, inaccurate and uneven - particularly in essay based subjects even in regular years.
  • Also I cannot speak for other teachers but this year's group for me have been one of the most able I have had - and having a student's personal progress judged against previous who may have been less able/more disadvantaged/more scuppered by course changes seems ridiculous.

Also, quite bluntly, predicting and ranking exam candidates for teachers has been hellish. I don't think anyone would like to be asked to rank a group of people on their POSSIBLE performance knowing that the grades they give will make or break a student's future.

And finally, students WORKED for these grades. Teachers didn't magic them out of thin air. We based them on eighteen months of evidence, assessments and grades. And every time someone declares 'oh they aren't real grades' you belittle their work and achievements.

Save your judgements for the govt who turned schools into exam factories which means it's all on one or two papers at one moment in time.

(EDIT: This example can also be applied to the upcoming GCSE results too)

EDIT 2 - Also this year's grades will not be included in schools progress/judgements and league tables so it is literally in no teacher's interest to inflate grades artificially.

Bryonyshcmyony · 10/08/2021 10:53

I also feel dreadfully sorry for the very brightest, able, hard working kids whose grades are not reflective of them veing the top 2% anymore
Dd doesn't mind. You don't need to feel sorry for them

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/08/2021 10:54

Tbh I agree with you. I say this as a parent whose child got top grades, which were as predicted-DD feels a bit rubbish about them and almost as if they are undeserved. She wanted to be able to prove her hard work through an exam and have all that effort made worthwhile. As it is, this year group, as last, have their efforts made to seem “other”and it always seem that way. It is not normal that over 44% of students get an A or A* and it does belittle the work and effort put in, when the grade boundaries are meaningless.

NB I fully realise that in later years that their A level results will not mean anything to them but right now they are everything!

Franklin12 · 10/08/2021 10:55

A and above...

2018 - 26.2%

2019 - 25.2%

2020 - 27.6%

2021 - 44.3%

All taken fro Gov website.

Yes this huge rise will have a detrimental affect - how could it not?

I quite agree with the above... The other thing to bear in mind is that the courses at university will still be as tough as ever. If you inflate a grade to get the student in then they will struggle on the course. 44% is just not right unless you are giving them this grade because they had a 'bad' year.

SusannaM · 10/08/2021 10:55

Wow. Only on Mumsnet.
DD doesn't go to a great school, they've been hopeless over lockdown and their A level grades certainly aren't coming in at 45% A, infact many haven't made their predicted grades or uni places, they've been so badly let down. There will be plenty of schools who are similar, which makes this crowing on Mumsnet even more difficult to swallow. If the As are worthless, where does that leave the kids that didn't get them? Stop feeding into this media bullshit.

DD gets her GCSEs on Thurs, I am so worried for her.

Bryonyshcmyony · 10/08/2021 10:56

Tbh I agree with you. I say this as a parent whose child got top grades, which were as predicted-DD feels a bit rubbish about them and almost as if they are undeserved

She can only feel good about them if more people do worse than her?

ShitPoetryClub · 10/08/2021 10:56

Some schools followed government advice and awarded the same percentages of grades as in previous years. Their students are now massively disadvantaged.
Awful situation.
Last year the results were moderated and that was so much fairer.

sst1234 · 10/08/2021 10:57

Yes the grade inflation does take the shine off the results, though the students couldn’t have helped it. Nearly half of students getting As just means that it’s no big deal getting an A anymore.
No doubt that the teachers have incentive to inflate grades given the targets they are faced with. And it benefits universities as they get more customers. The real losers are the students themselves as inflated grades don’t scale in the real world. Students expectations going forward will be out of sync with the grades they just received.

Bryonyshcmyony · 10/08/2021 10:57

Some schools followed government advice and awarded the same percentages of grades as in previous years why??

tiredofthisshit21 · 10/08/2021 10:57

OP I suspect you don't have a child receiving exam results today. Your post is extremely insensitive.

ShaunaTheSheep · 10/08/2021 10:58

Thanks for posting that @hedgehogger1.

I think that the views of anyone who is not directly involved, as a student, teacher or parent, are not worth listening to.

Franklin12 · 10/08/2021 10:58

It shows that the teachers should not have been given this level of responsibility. Some will have used this as an opportunity to move their students upwards, some will not understand what they are doing, and some will use their political bias to try and change society.

I feel desperately sorry for the students who do deserve these grades and the figure is not 44%.