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Should promotion come with a pay rise?

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Kingfisher8 · 10/08/2021 09:40

I’ll try not to drop feed but also can’t go into details as it might be outing.

I work in a small team and a colleague of mine is leaving. They have been working for the company a very long time and lost their mojo a few years ago. As soon as they announced that they are leaving I was approached by my management if I’d be happy to step into their position.

A bit of background, I joined the company a couple of years ago. The person who was there before me was pretty careless about the job but I quickly turned it around and I get quite a bit of recognition for it. My salary was reviewed and raised twice within a year… (roughly by 5 % each time)

So the new position means a bit more responsibility and a couple of additional bits, but pretty much doing the same what I have been doing so far just with a different type of clientele. They would like me to oversee my current position too and obviously potentially employ someone else (as I’d be pretty much doing 2 jobs) to help in. They want my way of dealing with 2 different groups of clientele…

Now this is exciting… I mean I am genuinely excited for a fresh start as the person who is leaving has been pulling us all done a bit by their attitude and I think it will be a better work environment. They are lovely but it was time for them to go… but the question is should I be getting more money? And how much? Any advice ?

Ps I know it’s not an AIBU question but I am shamelessly posting here for traffic.

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sst1234 · 10/08/2021 09:44

How big is the organization. In larger organizations, there are pay bands, and it doesn’t matter what your job title or responsibility is, pay bands are used to make sure that there is not too much disparity for people at the same level and it means pay rises are not given subjectively but system led. If you are already earning the same as others at your level, then no you wouldn’t get a pay rise. Finding out what others earn is the hard bit in order to benchmark.

WindyWindsor · 10/08/2021 09:47

I'm my opinion yes you should be getting a payrise. And unless it's going to be a short term thing that you will be exiting from fairly promptly that will help towards a career goal, I wouldn't be accepting the promotion without a pay rise either.

DaniellaDavis · 10/08/2021 09:50

Yes 100%.

What is the point in taking the position if there are no benefits?

You are taking on more responsibility, more stress etc for what?

More work, more responsibility = More pay.

Works the other way too, if you have a job that has neither of these you should be paid accordingly.

sailmeaway · 10/08/2021 09:53

Yes, 100% it should - 2 Jobs? You need to start negotiating. Are you a woman? If you are my. advice would be to think like a bloke, and ASK ASK ASK. Women tend to hold back more on stuff like this.

sailmeaway · 10/08/2021 09:55

Ignore any 'payband' advice. I have yet to work for a company or organisation that couldn't find a way to add or give more money, bonus or benefits to someone they really want to keep, hire or give an incentive to despite paybands. 'Paybands' IMHO tend to be more 'rigid' when the person asking is a woman ...

TheUndoingProject · 10/08/2021 09:55

God yes- it sounds like you’d effectively be managing your replacement. So taking on management responsibilities in addition to your new role.

KylieKoKo · 10/08/2021 09:57

Ideally you should but in the real world you don't always. Would you be able to use the experience to get a better job in the future?

When I was younger I took on line management as an extra responsibility and no extra pay but it enabled me to get a better job and I probably wouldn't be where I am because of it.

autumnboys · 10/08/2021 10:10

Yes, it should, but in my experience, you almost always have to ask. Have a think about it and talk to them. Be ready to name a figure.

FlibbertigibbetArmadillo · 10/08/2021 10:12

Have they discussed salary with you yet, and do you know what the person before you was on?
You should get one and you should raise it and be prepared to ask for more than they offer and negotiate.
Don't ask don't get
Are their comparable jobs at other companies? Use glass door, job adverts etc. to benchmark so you are prepared.

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Kingfisher8 · 10/08/2021 10:25

It’s a small company… and my bosses are great, like literally the nicest (but very direct) people ever. There is not going to be any ‘bands’ or anything like that and they treat all of us as individuals. I’m not sure what the person who is leaving was on but I can potentially find out the ballpark on that … I think I will have to bring up the money question but I just wanted to know if it was too cheeky to ask?

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WindyWindsor · 10/08/2021 10:37

No of course it's not cheeky to ask for a pay rise when you're getting a promotion!

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Kingfisher8 · 10/08/2021 10:50

Thanks for all the comments… I guess I was just a bit unsure as it’s a side step and stepping a bit above but with the 2 pay rises within a year I thought it’s a bit of a push … but regardless it’s more work, it’s more responsibility so should be more money if I’m they are fair …

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TheSandgroper · 10/08/2021 10:52

I think you need to think like a bloke here. A man would be automatically negotiating.

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Kingfisher8 · 10/08/2021 11:06

Haha … well to be honest negotiating was my first thought but then I felt guilty and after that I was just happy for my colleague (really wasn’t happy anymore) and then I got the question asked like straight away… 😂😂

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KylieKoKo · 10/08/2021 12:53

@Kingfisher8

Definitely negotiate. The worst thing they can say is no.

SoundBar · 10/08/2021 12:58

They can only say no.

Ask a manager blog has some good tips on asking for a pay rise as a woman.

Never forget the employer wants the job done as cheaply as possible and would replace you in an instant if they decided to. Same way if the job became unbearable for you you would leave for a better one. No hard feelings of course but just to give you confidence to go for it!

Brown76 · 10/08/2021 13:36

What’s the person leaving been paid?

What’s your value to the business owner? Are you adding value, increasing profits, retaining valuable customers, enthusiastic and motivating the team, taking headaches off their plate. What’s your assessment of what this may be worth.

What could you get paid elsewhere, and what’s the value to you in terms of taking this responsibility?

Have you got ideas and ambitions for your role that you can work towards? Can you see where the business could go long term…or are you just going to keep things ticking over.

I would think about what you’d like to be earning and add a bit, ask for that and be prepared to back it up. It’s hard to say the amount without knowing more context but could it be, say, 20-50% more?

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Kingfisher8 · 11/08/2021 12:55

So I think the person who is leaving have been earning a lot 4-5k more than me …

@Brown76 thanks for that… I will do a list based on your points and some added ones to pull my thoughts together.

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