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Would anyone be interested in trying to do one small thing each week to tackle climate change?

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riotlady · 09/08/2021 19:39

I’ve seen a few threads on aibu recently with people panicking about climate change and I often find myself worrying about it too, especially in light of the report published today. Studies show that one of the best ways to combat anxiety is to feel like you’re doing something about the problem, so I’ve decided to challenge myself to do one small thing to reduce my impact on the planet each week. I’m wondering if anyone would like to join me? I’m thinking small actions like walking or cycling a journey when you would normally take the car, swapping shower gel for bar soap, switching to a greener energy supplier, etc. No judgement about what is and isn’t feasible for people- for example I have ME and am very fatigued, so often use my tumble drier instead of hanging things out as I just don’t have the energy. There’s no point guilting myself over that, so I might as well focus on the things that I CAN change.

I’ve just sent an email to my MP so that’s my start to this week :)

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AngryWhompingWillow · 09/08/2021 23:18

I already started this some months back. Switched to bar soap from shower gel. A bar (costing 40p) last me 6 weeks. The bottle of shower gel (costing £1.25) lasted10 days.

Me and DH only have one car between us. We have energy saving bulbs everywhere in our house. We walk - if we can - instead of drive. We recycle everything we can - paper, glass, tins, cardboard, etc.

We don't have a tumble dryer - OR a dishwasher, and never have.

Me and DH rarely eat meat. I only eat fish. He eats fish too and chicken, and about once a month he eats beef.

We go to a local farm shop for some of our weekly shopping, so there's zero plastic, for all our fresh fruit and veg.

As a number of posters have said, if everyone makes a concerted effort, things can and WILL change!

One thing I am not keen on (and won't do unless I am forced,) is getting an electric car. I can't believe that the UK will be all electric cars by 2030. Just over 8 years? Confused Most people can't afford one at an average of £25K, there isn't enough infrastructure for them, the charge takes too long, and they don't do enough miles on one charge.

Also, I am not totally sure that they are as 'environmentally friendly' as some people think. Where do people think the electric comes from???

Just driving a lot less, and only when we need to would suffice IMO.

Also, as a number of posters have said, making your house totally green, and having solar panels etc, is way out of most peoples reach financially.

I don't understand why homebuilders don't build homes with it all already installed. Seeing as the Government (apparently) want everyone to be 'greener,' maybe they could offer financial help to homebuilders so they can make the homes more 'green' as they are building them, (and they can still sell them for the same price, as they got financial help from the Government...)

As I said, good thread btw @riotlady Smile

holidayfeverz · 09/08/2021 23:27

@PetticoatSoldier

Agree re the cost prohibition too *@AlternativePerspective* I'd love an electric car and green heating for my house but no way I could afford to buy them.
@PetticoatSoldier pls see my post above re electric vehicles being obtainable for the average person!
NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/08/2021 23:30

Great idea Smile
I walk everywhere or get public transport
Also use re - usable water bottles.
I use local shops as much as possible too.
Oh and recycle paper, cardboard, cans and glass.

holidayfeverz · 09/08/2021 23:38

@AngryWhompingWillow to address your points as an EV driver:

Most people can't afford one at an average of £25K, there isn't enough infrastructure for them, the charge takes too long, and they don't do enough miles on one charge.

You can either buy or hire them on similar deals to petrol cars with little or no deposit and normal monthly payments.

The infrastructure is indeed not where it needs to be, but it is developing and fast. It simply will and has to develop as EV's are the only way forward. The government is fully pushing this and the work is taking place. It's simply a case of when, not if, you start driving an EV.

Charging time very much depends on the type of charger. It can be 15 minutes for a full charge at a supercharger or all night if using a domestic 3 pin charger on your driveway

Mileage also varies according to car but again is rapidly improving. Our little car does up to 250 miles on a full charge but this is improving and larger cars do much more.

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 09/08/2021 23:48

Since moving to our house 5 years ago Dh and I have planted 6 trees, replaced a paved area with grass, planted bee friendly plants and started growing more of our own fruit (although it's not a large garden).

We've reduced meat consumption and only buy british (preferably local) meat.

We've switched to green energy tariffs and are driving less.

I also now try to buy less manufactured in countries who are generating the worst emissions (eg us & china).

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 09/08/2021 23:50

You can either buy or hire them on similar deals to petrol cars with little or no deposit and normal monthly payments.

Monthly payment plans on cars are an expensive way to access a car.its much cheaper in the long term to buy an older car outright and keep it for many years (difficult with EV as the batteries simply don't last). At the moment they just don't work for many people.

bigbeautybummum · 09/08/2021 23:51

Our household top three we are trying to do: 1. Stop buying clothes and household things we don't actually need.

  1. Don't waste food (if food waste were a country, globally it would be 3rd highest on carbon impact, its massive). 3. Think twice about our everyday energy usage - kettle boiling, tumble dryer, iron, appliances left on etc. A smart metre has helped us realise more the things that gobble power. I've stopped re boiling the kettle and make the tea first time!
ViciousJackdaw · 09/08/2021 23:51

In the shower, get suitably wet and then turn the water off whilst you lather up. Turn back on again to rinse. Saves water and energy. I think some refer to this as a Navy shower.

MossRock · 10/08/2021 00:28

We already do pretty much everything we can but love this thread.

Eat and buy organic food.. make it as unprocessed, as local and seasonal as possible. (Processed, factory made vegan meat-alternatives are a greenwashing con) Organic meat is better, much lower impact and high welfare so eating less covers the extra cost.

Buying organic cotton, only when really needed, will have a big positive impact.

Felldownabackdonhole · 10/08/2021 06:26

Granier do shampoo bars (better than the lush ones of old). Nivea do cleansing bars. If you don’t get on with the shampoo bars you can get large refill bags for your shampoo. This is all for sale in my large local Tesco.

I have got a holiday booked for next year but it is my first flight for 6 years and first ever for my DC we will probably not fly again for many years after that.

crankysaurus · 10/08/2021 06:51

We're thinking of getting an electric car as our next car, or maybe next but one depending on finances (we normally get an older car). Will be looking at options on here, and also at the relative carbon impact of hybrids as a first step.

We're lucky to have a driveway and somewhere to install a charging point but I do wonder how charging will work for tightly packed terrace streets or flats.

Tulipomania · 10/08/2021 07:01

I've had an EV for 6 years and we are about to upgrade, so I thought I'd try to clarify some of the misconceptions.

DH has sold his car and we are going to move to sharing one car between us as we both work from home and although rural we have a large supermarket in walking distance.

Our new car (a VW) has a range of 250 miles, which is enough for all but the very longest journeys we do maybe once or twice a year.

If we did a PCP/lease like most do it would cost only a little more than a conventional car. There is a government grant of £2.5k.

Lots of 2nd hand EVs available, not sure why people worry about batteries degrading? After 6 years mine works just fine. There is much less to go wrong on an EV so maintenance tends to be cheaper.

We are on a green electricity tariff, and eventually I want to install solar PV so we can charge the car from that. However even standard electricity is now 42% renewables, which has increased massively in 10 years.

ablutiions · 10/08/2021 07:09

Hello all. Having been doing this for a while (a lot more to do). I can recommend

  • Tru earth laundry detergent strips (there's a UK based alternative now as well I think) . They work and smell nice, no plastic much less bulky.
  • Bulk loo roll delivery (who gives a crap or similar). No plastic.
  • SMOL dishwasher tablets (no plastic, sent in post, cheaper than regular, they work)
  • proper hankies not paper
  • no cling film (plates and Tupperware instead)
  • use washing up liquid instead of millions of small bottles of hand wash. I may also change to a giant bar of olive oil dish soap
  • Turn off lights
  • take a tote bag everywhere, all the time,
  • knitted soap sock instead of shower gel
  • razor resharpener (not bought blades in 4 years!) for me, trad steel blade shaver and old fashioned shaving soap for DH
  • all garden fertiliser and grass seed bought in cardboard containers
  • composting
  • peat free compost
-water butt
  • kon Marie clothes so you know what you have and what you need, and you take care of things better, and don't I like buy what you don't need
  • Kon Marie generally helps you to be able to find things so you don't buy what you don't need as you are organised with everything in its place.
Weirdwonders · 10/08/2021 07:40

Like other said, it’s a nice sentiment but it makes no difference at all. UK accounts for 1% of global carbon emissions. China 28% and US 15%. Honestly, it would be nice to think us not using plastic straws could help but it wouldn’t.

I think of the former as an environmental issue, which I don’t have much control over, and the latter as a sustainability issue, which I do, because it’s about what I use and consume and how I can limit the impact on the environment that way. So many of our habits are driven by convenience.

MareofBeasttown · 10/08/2021 08:01

It would make far more sense to look at per capita emissions, no?www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

midgemagneto · 10/08/2021 08:09

Lots of single individuals asking for the right to vote lead to votes for all

Lots of single individuals asking for the end to slavery led to the end of legal slavery

Lots of single individuals led to the creation of our national parks

If they each had not tried these things would not have happened

For the first time , I see enough single individuals making real changes to give me hope . Some of my friends are steaming ahead.

The story at work has also changed , it's not about enhancing brand it's "is this the right thing ?"

It's really fantastic that people are doing things

boogiewithasuitcase · 10/08/2021 08:14

Our hamster only has wooden toys - no plastic.

shallIswim · 10/08/2021 08:21

Joining bc I'm enjoying the product recommendations. I'm shy of trying some of the laundry strips etc but this is encouraging me.
Our contributions are that we've composted and used veg waste in the garden for more than 20 years. It's a very satisfying 'hobby'!
Wr have recently promised to never fly again unless one of our DC heads off to live a long way away. We feel deeply guilty about our past air emissions.
We'll buy an electric vehicle when the current one conks out. DH has done the suns and says it's more eco to do this than switch a perfectly functioning petrol vehicle. So we're stuck with the crappy Skoda for a few years yet

BahHumbygge · 10/08/2021 08:30

Those considering buying an electric car, please research first where the lithium comes from for the car battery (and other rare earth minerals). They’re mined and extracted in places like the Argentine, Chilean & Bolivan border triangle region and Baotou in Mongolia. The mining uses vast quantities of water, so there’s none left for local villagers, animals and wildlife. Mining releases deadly compounds into the environment, so that groundwater and soils are contaminated for generations. People and animals in the area suffer from rare cancers and wasting diseases. If you look up Baotou on youtube/google images it’s an absolute hellscape of smokestack chimneys, effluent pipes and toxic mining tailings lakes stretching tens of miles across the landscape.

Please consider reading the book called Bright Green Lies about how renewable/sustainable energy isn’t renewable or sustainable... it’s just as dependent on extractivism as fossil fuels, and for only a tiny fraction of their energy density. Lithium batteries and other components of (non)renewable energy generation such as wind turbine blades only have an expected life expectancy of 20 - 30 years, and the materials after that are virtually impossible to recycle or recover, so they end up in turbine blade graveyards or landfill for eternity. We’re tearing up and polluting with mining operations yet more areas of the planet to toxic wastelands, just so we can extend the consumerism party another 30 years. There’s also a documentary film of the same name that’s worth watching on Vimeo (small rental fee). By the way, the authors are not fossil fuel company stooges, they are long term environment writers and activists.

Instead of bright green techno fixes, we need to cut back on our consumption habits by a large degree... electricity/water/gas in the home. Internet is a huge hog of global energy supplies... all those streaming services, cat videos on FB, cloud photo storage sites, bitcoin mining. Having 15 pairs of jeans, buying Christmas themed bedding, doggie prosecco, single bananas wrapped in a clamshell plastic box, several European city break holidays by plane per year. It’s mindboggling how wrapped up in a consumeristic mentality we are.

My actions:

I personally am going to all but cut out social media (there’s a couple of FB groups I like to follow... plus local community pages).

Declutter most of my clothes. My mum growing up in the 1940s only had three outfits... school uniform, out of school play clothes of trousers, jumper and shirt, plus a Sunday best dress for church. I won’t get down to that level, but aim for 4 or 5 of each item. Won’t buy any new clothes at all, even second hand, until they’ve fully worn out. I also use a darning mushroom to mend holes in T shirts/socks etc. When I do buy second hand, I buy practical, long lasting clothes, rather than fashionable/decorative styles.

Put a spending limit of £7.00 per week for the supermarkets (to cover me & DH). The rest of our food I get from the milkman (local organic dairy farmer... raw milk, eggs and yoghurt), butchers for local pastured meat and for which I take my own containers, and organic veg stall at the local market... much of it produced a mile away. Fruit... I pick blackberries in the garden & local lanes, have our own apple, pear & plum trees. Do buy a few frozen berries from Aldi, plus bananas for DH, otherwise I don’t eat much fruit as it’s all imported and/or stored in vast temperature controlled warehouses with a huge physical & ecological footprint. Don’t find it expensive, as I cook from scratch and don’t buy any snack or processed foods, except a few crackers/digestives for DH. Going to get the veg beds dug over in the autumn for planting our own veg. I eat a place based diet rather than a plant based diet, which is dependent on annual starchy/sugary monocrops, haber-bosch fossil fuel intensive fertilisers, herbicides, pestcides, soil decimating machinery, container ships etc.

vimeo.com/ondemand/brightgreenlies

knittingaddict · 10/08/2021 08:34

@Felldownabackdonhole

Granier do shampoo bars (better than the lush ones of old). Nivea do cleansing bars. If you don’t get on with the shampoo bars you can get large refill bags for your shampoo. This is all for sale in my large local Tesco.

I have got a holiday booked for next year but it is my first flight for 6 years and first ever for my DC we will probably not fly again for many years after that.

The problem with the refill bags is that I don't think you can recycle them. I was going to start buying them and one of the reviews mentioned this and I decided not to.
HasaDigaEebowai · 10/08/2021 08:36

Just to add on the ev cost, leaving aside the issue of whether leasing is sensible (since for most people it is the only way of affording a car full stop because they don't have a big wodge of cash sitting there), you can lease an ev from £159 a month at the moment and if you do that through salary sacrifice at work then you can do that out of untaxed income. If you are a high rate tax payer this saves you 39% since the company car tax on eve is only 1%. Its much better than having a diesel or petrol company car.

Its not the case that EVs are a completely unaffordable product at all.

twinkletoesimnot · 10/08/2021 08:36

@OaxacaChihuahua

One easy thing most people could do which would actually have an enormous impact is stopping eating meat (or at least reducing it). Apart from not having children it’s the single most impactful thing a person can do to reduce their environmental impact.

If giving up meat completely feels too much, try keeping it for once or twice a week. It’s also much better for you to do so, so double win!

It's not though is it? Not going on holiday on a plane would be the biggest thing tbh but people don't want to hear that.
twinkletoesimnot · 10/08/2021 08:40

@Angrymum22

What you do sounds much more sustainable and sensible than most ideas. Very similar here.

Indoctro · 10/08/2021 08:41

I've done a few things

Stopped buying fish for my family and reduced there meat intake without them really noticing
Switched to bats of soap instead of liquid bottles
Only wash clothes when dirty or smelly , reuse towels multiple times.

HasaDigaEebowai · 10/08/2021 08:43

I think that with all of these things there are lots of issues that come under the "eco umbrella". There are different issues at play but the biggest threat at the moment is climate change. Plastic is not the biggest baddie in the climate change consideration. Paper and cardboard packaging are generally worse in climate change terms due to the fact that they are at the end of the day made by removing trees and they are heavier and thus use more carbon to transport. But clearly single use waste plastic is a baddie in terms of being able to dispose of it. Its just a different baddie.

Likewise batteries for Evs do contain lithium and there are ethical issues involved in obtaining this (but arguably far fewer than involved in the extraction of oil). Cotton feels earth mothery and natural but it comes at massive cost both in terms of water and in terms of transportation, organic food also feels earth mothery and may have some health benefits but its actually worse in terms of its impact on climate change since it uses far more resources to produce less.

Its not a simple thing to get your head around and there will always be trade offs. The best way to start is to calculate your own personal carbon footprint using one of the reliable and detailed calculators (not one attached to an oil company..) and then you can look and see where you personally are making the biggest contribution to the problem.

Ours was immediately slashed by about a third by adding in solar panels.

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