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Would anyone be interested in trying to do one small thing each week to tackle climate change?

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riotlady · 09/08/2021 19:39

I’ve seen a few threads on aibu recently with people panicking about climate change and I often find myself worrying about it too, especially in light of the report published today. Studies show that one of the best ways to combat anxiety is to feel like you’re doing something about the problem, so I’ve decided to challenge myself to do one small thing to reduce my impact on the planet each week. I’m wondering if anyone would like to join me? I’m thinking small actions like walking or cycling a journey when you would normally take the car, swapping shower gel for bar soap, switching to a greener energy supplier, etc. No judgement about what is and isn’t feasible for people- for example I have ME and am very fatigued, so often use my tumble drier instead of hanging things out as I just don’t have the energy. There’s no point guilting myself over that, so I might as well focus on the things that I CAN change.

I’ve just sent an email to my MP so that’s my start to this week :)

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Otherpeoplesteens · 10/08/2021 23:11

@riotlady The UK's byzantine energy market isn't my area of expertise, but as far as I can understand it works like this.

Getting electricity into your home or business is divided into four parts: the generators who pump electricity into the grid (i.e. power plants, turbines, solar panels, etc); the transmission (the high voltage pylons which send electricity from the generation points to the local substations); the distribution (from the substation to the end user - homes, businesses etc); and the suppliers or retailers (the people to whom you pay your bill).

You sign a contract with a supplier and they, in turn, will have contracts with one or more generators to take delivery of a certain amount of electricity in any given period, typically a half hour at a time. Your "green" supplier may only have such contracts with a renewable generator. All fine so far.

The problem is that if your supplier's renewable generator(s) relies on solar and wind, and you turn on your airconditioning, charge your car, and run a 2,200w vacuum cleaner at the same time your DD is using her hair dryer, and this all takes place late on a hot still night when there's no wind or sun, the renewable generator cannot meet the demand which your green supplier has contracted for. Your green supplier therefore must buy additional electricity in real time through what is effectively a clearing system from other generators putting electricity into the grid. By the same token, if you are out at the beach on a sunny, windy day then you cannot use the electricity which your supplier has bought from its contracted generator(s) for those half hour periods when you'd normally be using it, so they sell it to other suppliers. They all then sort out the money later on their side through a 'balancing payments' system. National Grid ensures that supply and demand is roughly balanced by shutting down or activating surge capacity as and when needed.

There's no way you can distinguish between surge capacity coming from a gas-fired power station in East Anglia, nuclear power coming from France, or stored hydro-electric power coming from Dinorwig in Wales, all of which goes into the grid at peak times and ends up in your home even though you only pay money to the "green" supplier which only has contracts with renewable generators. The transmission and distribution costs are split between the retail suppliers (which tacks them onto your bill) and the generators (which tacks them onto what they charge the suppliers).

As far as I can tell, if I could meet the regulatory standards there is nothing to stop me setting up Otherpeoplesteens Electricity plc, buying electricity from Back of Beyond Windfarm Co Ltd and selling it to you as renewable energy. The thing is, I could also buy electricity from Old Smoker Coal Generation Company, then buy carbon credits - which are actually quite cheap - from any old company which has them spare, or on the open market through one of a number of emissions trading exchanges, and still sell 'carbon neutral' electricity to you.

The other issue, of course, is that electricity doesn't account for anywhere near all domestic energy use. Most people in Britain use natural gas for central heating and hot water and while there is some renewable biogas getting into the system, gas is a fossil fuel by definition to all intents and purposes. Anyone peddling renewable gas or duel fuel tariffs is either generating said gas from their arse, or talking out of it.

Otherpeoplesteens · 10/08/2021 23:14

If I couldn't buy British then I would go without.

Nice idea, but unless you want to survive on potatoes, beets and turnips from November through to April then come down and join us on Earth, if you can find a patch that isn't on fire.

MoreThanJustANumber · 10/08/2021 23:27

I'm in.

I've been making beeswax wraps, experimenting with different types of shampoo bars and as soon as I've got through my rather large stock of shower gel and handwash I'll be buying bar soap.

What are the alternatives for toothpaste for very sensitive teeth. I always use sensodyne and wondered if there was something that would be as good but more environmentally friendly?

catsjammies · 10/08/2021 23:32

We have an electric car.
We were doing well with eating very little meat but DH has been doing the groceries lately so it's crept up, need to get it back down.
I make a lot of our clothes and upcycle a lot (eg DH's old work shirts are made into tops for me/dresses for DD).
We don't do OS holidays (my family are OS though so we do fly to them once every 18m when not in a pandemic).
We live in a v energy efficient home and use LED bulbs etc.
Wash clothes only when necessary and do eco/cold wash, line dry.
Kids toys are mostly second hand. DD has got quite involved in selling on old toys and we search for the 'new' thing she wants on eBay/marketplace and we use the money from the sold things to buy her new toys.

Need to:
Sort through our pensions/investments to make sure they're all divested from fossil fuels.
Write to our MP. He is a wonderful labour MP who is very pushy on climate action, but doesn't hurt to let him know to keep pushing.
Start doing a Riverford/equivalent box.

Otherpeoplesteens · 10/08/2021 23:47

@riotlady Just realised I didn't fully answer your question about carbon credits, which was the point of my original rant!

Carbon credits within the EU's Emissions Trading Scheme are basically a license to emit carbon dioxide based on levels from about 2008. They were allocated to firms back then; each credit is one metric tonne of CO2. A firm which produces less than its allowance can sell the balance; similarly a firm which is about to emit more can buy additional credits. The idea was to encourage firms to reduce CO2 emissions by placing a value on them.

Credits can also be created, for example by planting trees. That's why you're so often invited to 'offset' your polluting activity.

You can have a 'carbon neutral' flight to Timbuktu every year if you want. But it does not stop greenhouse gases being pumped out of the back end of the Boeing that takes you there, and by the time those yet-to-be-planted trees have grown to full size and absorbed all the CO2 the flight actually produced in the here and now Greece will be a pile of ash, the Maldives will have fallen into the sea, and we won't need to boil clams in Vancouver because they will have already been cooked alive on the beach in their natural environment. Actually, that last one has already happened.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 10/08/2021 23:57

Thank you @ Otherpeoplesteens. Intriguing and good to hear your thoughts on this.

I’m personally going back to basics to the core cause crux of the matter and simply deciding to have a small family so fewer consumers living default high income first world lifestyles with some eco proactively and not just green washing virtual signalling of all those who are switching to more eco products but ironically have large family households of super consumers.

It’s a human problem - too many humans who want to consume the globe’s infinite resources. Every human should have the ultimate right to consume at first world standards of living so therefore it is both the per capita eco footprint as well as the total.

It’s only marginal green efficiency when folks go a bit greener as bottom line is just that - the number of bums on seats in your “eco bubble!” So all those eco warrior mums on the school run doing the electric people carrier bicycle thing (more Covid safety than green concerns!) is just window dressing pretence as these are the very people who already decided to have half a football team of super consumers. Or it is the ultra high net worth (eg super privileged royals) preaching how green they are! How green is that?’ How many eco lightbulbs and grow your own food and recycling is necessary compared to a regular mum and dad with one or two children family being conscientiously and pragmatically green? So all this small lifestyle green washing is minimal compared to household consumer size! So look at North America and see their per capita carbon footprint! It’s mind blowing! Just picking out some random nations I would imagine little but advance and rich Luxembourg is probably a greater carbon or green footprint than say Niger in Africa with a population of many multiples of Luxembourg but tiny third world per capita consumption.

This is a human made problem - too many humans living too long consuming too many resources! Simples.

Getmoveon14 · 11/08/2021 07:13

We are trying to walk, cycle and use public transport as much as possible. I did have to make a long journey by car this week, but tried to overtake as little as possible (10 per cent less fuel to drive at 60mph rather than 70mph) During the summer holidays I plan to spend time helping the children to learn skills for a more sustainable lifestyle - gardening, picking blackberries, sewing and preparing food using up leftovers and avoiding waste.

riotlady · 11/08/2021 07:52

@Otherpeoplesteens thank you for that explanation! It sounds like the system is certainly open to abuse but that doesn’t mean that every company will abuse it? I might have to do a bit of research to see if there’s any that are better than others

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twinkletoesimnot · 11/08/2021 08:23

@Otherpeoplesteens

If I couldn't buy British then I would go without.

Nice idea, but unless you want to survive on potatoes, beets and turnips from November through to April then come down and join us on Earth, if you can find a patch that isn't on fire.

I was specifically talking about tomatoes and asparagus thanks. Seasonal fruit and veg that do grow here.

I am also careful about other varieties too though.
Especially apples.
Can't help bananas and things like that, but I thought we were discussing things you COULD do.
Not shipping in things that grow here seems like an obvious one to me!

Aggy35 · 11/08/2021 08:32

Great thread!Very important to address this.Every little helps ;).

crankysaurus · 11/08/2021 10:15

We've had the same telly for about ten years. It's small, doesn't use much power, and while it would be nice to have an upgrade, we really don't need one.

Sausageroll67 · 11/08/2021 10:49

@FinallyDecided

I'm already not having kids - anything else I could possibly do will be a drop in the ocean compared to that.
Me neither, I’m also in my 50s so I don’t give a stuff beyond that. I recycle and that’s it.
riotlady · 11/08/2021 11:03

Just in case anyone else is interested in finding out about green energy tarrifs, I found these useful

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/02/green-energy-tariff-renewable-deals

www.which.co.uk/news/2019/09/how-green-is-your-energy-tariff/

www.goodenergy.co.uk/customer-care/help-topics/greenwash-faq/

It looks like the supplier I switched to (Octopus) are “greenish” in that they use a combo of supplying their own renewable energy, buying it from suppliers, and REGO credits. The only two suppliers that Which recommend as supplying or buying 100% of their own renewable energy are The Good Energy Company and Ecotricity, both of which sadly cost £20 a month more than my current bill. I can’t afford the switch at the moment but am hoping once I’ve graduated and I’m properly employed I can move over.

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Maireas · 11/08/2021 16:56

There are some excellent ideas on here.
However, if you look at other threads it's as if climate change isn't happening.
Complaints about being forced to stay in the UK on holiday and how awful it is, people desperate to go to the Costas again.
There's someone started a thread about taking her child out of school to go to Florida, because "they haven't had a holiday for 2 years". If regular holidays to Disney in Florida are regarded as a necessity, something has to change.

crankysaurus · 11/08/2021 17:19

You're right, Maireas, but things are changing, maybe too slowly but awareness is rising and there may be quite a few people reading this thread and not contributing so it'll be useful that way too.

Maireas · 11/08/2021 17:33

I hope so. It's so depressing!

HappyWinter · 11/08/2021 21:36

Great thread @riotlady, thank you for starting it.

This Lush deodorant bar works well, if anyone is looking for one. Faith in Nature do good shampoo bars.

I bought a ready meal and meat to eat today in the supermarket as it was reduced and due up today, is this greener as it helps reduce potential food waste?

@HasaDigaEebowai I'm gutted about the dishwasher not being better than washing up by hand, how much worse is it? I'm also interested in online food deliveries being greener than driving to the supermarket.

Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 11/08/2021 21:55

Just in case anyone wants to support this cause then why not sign this petition from GreenPeace? Every little helps!

action.greenpeace.org.uk/Climate-Leaders-Act?source=FB&subsource=ECCLPLPEFB547D&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Spread%20email&utm_campaign=Lead%20the%20Way%20[AK]%20Lead%20Gen%20PE%2020210601&fbclid=IwAR2Wtek7czTdBIF68E2SGhjdoBS6M06AyP6XS4QmIRn9XlNKcvGUB0eR8p4

Getmoveon14 · 11/08/2021 22:02

The government are consulting on the future of aviation - Jet Zero. I've used this to share my view that the best way to reduce aviation emissions is to make flying an expensive unattractive option
www.gov.uk/government/consultations/achieving-net-zero-aviation-by-2050

PrincessNutNuts · 11/08/2021 22:41

Thanks for those @Getmoveon14 and @Speakuptomakeyourselfheard

GoldenOmber · 12/08/2021 08:08

Recommend the (free) app Earth Hero: lets you look at your own carbon footprint and suggests achievable actions for your own life as well as how to help with bigger national/global campaigns.

riotlady · 12/08/2021 12:27

@GoldenOmber

Recommend the (free) app Earth Hero: lets you look at your own carbon footprint and suggests achievable actions for your own life as well as how to help with bigger national/global campaigns.
Just downloaded @GoldenOmber looks really good!
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HappyWinter · 12/08/2021 21:14

Continuing with buying less, I went into town centre today for lunch and didn't look in the shops as there wasn't anything I needed. I'm trying to stick to buying less stuff.

HappyWinter · 12/08/2021 21:18

Not sure if anyone has posted this link, It's similar to the graphic showing changes with the biggest impacts.

www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/05/climate-change-behaviour-impact-survey/

I've looked at low carbon heating (air source heat pumps), the price means it is out of reach. It's about £9k Shock.

Mpsister · 12/08/2021 21:21

Some brilliant ideas on here. I've switched from washing liquid to powder to reduce plastic packaging. Not sure if that counts

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