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Prescription charges for over 60s

293 replies

herewegogc · 09/08/2021 06:53

Just found out that there is a government consultation going on about this. The aim is to raise the age for free prescriptions to the state pension age. Ends on 1st September. AIBU to be unhappy that this is being done by stealth? Or have I missed the massive publicity campaign? Fill in the consultation here: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/aligning-the-upper-age-for-nhs-prescription-charge-exemptions-with-the-state-pension-age

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TalbotAMan · 09/08/2021 08:04

"Oh not the bloody Barnett debate.

England makes its own political choices, the Barnett formula is not the cause of the English prescription charges."

Not wanting to derail the thread too much, but Labour only ever campaigned against them in 2019, so it's not like we English ever had a choice in the matter.

And the Barnett Formula doesn't vanish into thin air because you don't want to acknowledge its effects.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 09/08/2021 08:05

Good.

TalbotAMan · 09/08/2021 08:07

[quote sandgrown]@Binnaggy where is transport free for over 60s ?[/quote]
London

LoislovesStewie · 09/08/2021 08:07

@itsasin77

I will also had has type 2 diabetes caused by their own selfish eating and lifestyle habits who wishes to not and never done anything about it, continues to buy chocolate, cake and sweets every week and love the doctor visits to say why they aren’t feeling great. Must mean they need more Medication and attention! I am being wholly serious here. Makes me so, so cross and angry. So yes those who can afford, should pay their own way! And don’t get me started on not being able to see a doctor for my own children because of people Like her too.
You are clearly very angry, I don't know why, but if we took your argument to the logical conclusion we would have; No maternity care because, well, you chose to get pregnant, No care if you have a car crash because you chose to get in a car No care if you smoke Or drink Or have ever taken drugs No care if you ever do anything silly. The list could go on and on. BTW not everyone gets type 2 diabetes because they eat too much cake or are overweight. I know people who are slim and have type 2. It's just bad luck or genes sometimes. FWIW I have an adult child with type 1 and a host of other long term health issues, and I don't get worked up about those with type 2, both are pretty shit.
StoneofDestiny · 09/08/2021 08:07

However, like, I think, most people over 60 I am on permanent prescriptions

I used the NHS far more when I was having my children than I do as I grew older, and now my children use the NHS....... be careful what you wish for

Cuddlyrottweiler · 09/08/2021 08:07

I think everyone should pay the same except children.
Why should I pay but a 60yo who earns more than me and someone who's never worked and claims benefits don't.

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 09/08/2021 08:10

@TalbotAMan

I am over 60 and under state pension age, earning well and know how to buy a 12-month certificate.

However, like, I think, most people over 60 I am on permanent prescriptions - three items every month and a fourth every three months in my case - and, to put it bluntly, without those three, which are for asthma and high blood pressure, I would probably be dead by now.

If I was in my forties, where I maybe needed one or two prescriptions a year, I might feel differently, but this amounts to a tax on the not-quite-yet -old.

See this is all well and good, but my DD20 suffers severe asthma, and also needs quite a few prescriptions to keep her alive. She's a student and has not been able to afford to pick up some of these medications immediately, having to wait to be paid or asking if I can transfer her some.
TalbotAMan · 09/08/2021 08:12

@StoneofDestiny

However, like, I think, most people over 60 I am on permanent prescriptions

I used the NHS far more when I was having my children than I do as I grew older, and now my children use the NHS....... be careful what you wish for

That may be your experience - I did say 'most' - but all the evidence I've seen says that, on average, after the age of 5 the older you get the more you will use the NHS.
TalbotAMan · 09/08/2021 08:15

"See this is all well and good, but my DD20 suffers severe asthma, and also needs quite a few prescriptions to keep her alive. She's a student and has not been able to afford to pick up some of these medications immediately, having to wait to be paid or asking if I can transfer her some."

I'm not defending that state of affairs. I think there is a very strong case for rolling back prescription charges either completely or to minimal levels. This thread is about the government seeking to extend them on the quiet.

That said, someone in her situation should have an annual certificate.

StoneofDestiny · 09/08/2021 08:16

The irony of it all.
People who have worked and paid tax all their lives are the ones to first be denied access to a service they paid into.
Maybe those who haven't worked or paid in enough tax should be the ones to hit ie the young?

Not a palatable suggestion ?

But ..........If this is to be done - give it a very long run in time. Pensions were denied to many women with no preparation time and it has caused a lot of financial difficulties..........here we go again.

Marcee · 09/08/2021 08:19

@itsasin77

When I know of somebody who has never worked a day in her life, has a free home (not council or HA), has her pension, pension credit, private pension, council tax paid for yet is a health hypochondriac and has £100s worth or prescriptions a week, then yes bring this on! It makes me sick the money being wasted on her getting free medication for Made up this, that abs the other for years and years and just gets tablets chucked at her! Even stomach tablets, headache tablets, shampoos, leg shaking etc name it she has a prescription for it. May make the likes of these people think twice if they have to pay for it. She is not financially poor in any way shape or form, and has never paid into the system. So to me, she should pay!!
People like this will probably still be exempt from the prescription charges.

It's the people who actually have a job and have worked, and are still working at 60 who will have to pay it.

SmokeyDevil · 09/08/2021 08:21

@StoneofDestiny

Next up - child benefit. Why pay Child Benefit to people who choose to have children - after all, if you can afford to have children surely you can pay for your prescription charges, pregnancy care etc etc ...............it's the dismantling of the Welfare State and turning people in on each other.
That's kind of obviously going to happen when you vote in the tories. They don't like poor people. But they keep getting votes so yeah child benefit will probably go next.
StoneofDestiny · 09/08/2021 08:22

Yes SmokeyDevil like lemmings heading over the cliff.......

Marcee · 09/08/2021 08:24

I wouldn't want it linked to the pension age. But an arbitrary age such as 65 I thi k is ok.

By linking it to the state pension age it will just increase and eventually end. I've got a feeling the age for getting the pension will increase, and eventually the state pension will be done away with anyway.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 09/08/2021 08:24

I think everyone should pay for prescriptions with no exceptions. Fairer basis then and the token cost often goes no where near the actual cost but it at least recoups some back to the NHS. There are yearly pre paid if bulk medicines are needed.

bruffin · 09/08/2021 08:26

@lannistunut

If prescriptions are to be charged for, then it should be all working age people, so this is at least making things consistent.

However, in England too many people can't afford their prescriptions, but that is not an age issue. England has dreadful poverty rates which are ignored by the government, this will be a big issue for people without much money who are 60+.

95% of prescriptions are not paid for in england. And even those who do are capped at £10 a month under the prepaid for certificate schene. You also dont need topay on low income
StoneofDestiny · 09/08/2021 08:29

I think everyone should pay for prescriptions with no exceptions

Next step - everybody should pay to see their doctor, no exceptions, followed by everybody should pay for any hospital treatment no exceptions............

DinosaurDiana · 09/08/2021 08:31

I don’t see a problem with prescription charges being in line with pension age.

SmokeyDevil · 09/08/2021 08:32

@StoneofDestiny

Yes SmokeyDevil like lemmings heading over the cliff.......
Yes, it doesn't affect the rich. But everyone just goes 'well it's better than labour' then complains about the outcome. How people haven't caught on yet is beyond me, its not like the tories have ever cared about the lower classes. Thatcher, anyone?

Stuff like this should be means tested, all of it should. The wealthy don't need any perks and shouldn't get them, even if they are old. We'd waste less money then and at least it goes to the right people who do need it. Might even be able to increase some benefits by removing those who don't need it. I wonder how many on here still took child benefit despite two big incomes. Hmm

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/08/2021 08:32

Sounds reasonable: would like to see the detail.

rookiemere · 09/08/2021 08:33

I believe it costs too much to adjust based in income, but it seems grossly unfair that some people get things free by dint of age that can well afford them.
In Scotland all prescriptions are free which seems even odder to me who lives there. I buck the trend by paying for a branded contraception that doesn't seem to trigger my endometriosis rather than the generic one available on the NHS that is allegedly identical.

cptartapp · 09/08/2021 08:35

Absolutely should.
FIL in his 80's is massively smug about his lump of non means tested benefits in general despite needing none of them, heating allowance, attendance allowance, bus pass, prescriptions. Thousands like him.
MIL never worked a day again after 25 when she had her first child. Thousands like her too.
I can't believe it's cheaper to give free prescriptions than means test.
Why did that not apply when they removed my child benefit? (quite rightly btw, we didn't need it).

EmeraldShamrock · 09/08/2021 08:37

Next step - everybody should pay to see their doctor, no exceptions, followed by everybody should pay for any hospital treatment no exceptions...
Do you think those who can afford to pay should pay? the money saved could go towards education or really work towards sink estates in terms of education, stock food banks who heavily rely on charity & the kindnesses of supermarkets who have to pay staff who sort out the donations.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 09/08/2021 08:38

I thought thats what happened already. If you are still working why shouldn't you pay for your prescriptions.

StoneofDestiny · 09/08/2021 08:39

I'd caution on Means Testing

Means testing benefits will not be efficient or fair. But if society was a small family and politics like housekeeping, that might be enough said. But governments, politicians, political ideology and social policy, as we all know, just aren't like that. So it's helpful to look at this issue of means testing versus universal benefits, not from our experience of divvying up domestic budgets, but from the real and very different perspective of how politics and policy actually work

And what we actually know about means testing is that it tends not to be efficient, fair or in the interests of the most disadvantaged.

One of the great strengths of universal benefits is that it is simple and economical to administer and operate. The opposite is true of means testing.

What means testing generally means is a lot more bureaucracy. This is quite likely to eat up any apparent savings that it is suggested it will make possible. It's no different in our computerised age. All that has meant is huge IT-system bills that almost invariably end up unfit for purpose.

Means tested benefits aren't actually fair. It has long been known that large numbers of needy people tend to miss out on such benefits. Either they don't know about them, they don't realise they are eligible for them, or perhaps, particularly important, they are reluctant to claim them.

This is because they have increasingly been encouraged to think of receiving benefits as meaning being dependent and "not standing on their own two feet". This is especially well known about older people and can result in them encountering health and other problems from under-claiming, which ultimately increases costs, as well as failing to ensure their access to entitlements.

When benefits have been universal, people have paid for them in their taxes. To change them into means tested benefits – as has recently been happening – is quite simply a fraud, denying people entitlements they have contributed to and earned.

Means testing hurts those who are neither rich or very poor. Means testing always hurts people who are neither rich or very poor. Because there's always a cut off point, some who are far from well off and who would "genuinely" benefit from them are excluded.

There are also many people who may seem comfortable to the outside world, but who don't necessarily feel so themselves. So they are frugal for fear of rainy days, not realising that the rain has already come.

Thus, older people who could afford an occasional taxi to make up for the inadequacy of public transport see it is a luxury they can't afford. They increasingly stay at home. The resulting isolation is strongly associated with bigger physical and mental health problems. So cutting travel passes can actually end up causing greater public expense.

One of the great strengths of universal benefits is that they create a sense of solidarity and shared understanding. Means tested benefits create the opposite, divisions and misunderstanding.

When benefits are universal it means that there are better placed people concerned to fight for them. That has always been one of the strengths of child benefit. When benefits are means tested, they lose these advocates and the most disadvantaged, with much weaker voices, don't have the political clout to ensure that they stay sufficiently resourced and constantly uprated. It's a vicious circle.

Of course, there's the argument that getting rid of universal benefits means that the jam can be spread more fairly. Please show me one example where cuts made in one valued service ever resulted in politicians spending more on another valued service.

Speaking as someone who had the misfortune to spend years living on means tested benefits and was delighted to be able to escape them, I'd also ask how many of those who proclaim their virtues have anything other than an ideological interest in the issue.

Put another way, how many of them have ever had to rely for any length of time on such benefits or go through the process of getting them? Not many I would suggest. The rest of us should steer clear of them too.

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