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Alcoholic DF and alcohol problem myself

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tavishock · 01/08/2021 13:36

My DF was an alcoholic. I am an alcoholic. I'm trying to cut down and ultimately stop drinking but I think I need to understand how much his behavior has affected mine.

Obviously, it won't be helpful to say that my destiny is out of my own hands. Only I control picking up the drink and consuming it. I get that. How I think of this however is that….imagine you fall over and scuff your knee…whether you fell down or I pushed you, you still have to tend to the injury the same way, healing is still something only you/your body can do.

If you fell down 10 times in one week and you thought maybe I pushed you 5 of those times, would it not make sense to figure out exactly what was influenced by me and what was purely you on your own?

I hope that makes a bit of sense.

So, I'll try and be succinct here

DF was/is quite a disturbed person generally and this fueled his need to drink. There is obviously way more to this but I'm asking about this one specific thing.

Would frequently get drunk, as in like slurring words, rambling and doddering all over the place. Maybe like (some) normal people's dads might do on xmas day, he'd do that 3–5 times a week.

Would fly into a rage if anyone ever suggested he got drunk or had a drink problem. It was always couched as a man thing, a Friday night thing, a sunny day thing, a rainy day thing, normal etc etc

On one occasion as a small child I had said to someone about how much he drank. Not as in "telling them" just as kids that age do, describing an evening at home. He went absolutely ballistic at me. Didn't talk to me for weeks including over Christmas and wouldn't let me hug him on Christmas Day. I tried writing a letter to him to explain that I hadn't done what he said I had, which was purposefully and spitefully spreading rumours that he was a drunk. Eventually he (while drunk) forgave me and I was obviously young and desperate to have things go back to normal so I didn't bother insisting that I had never deserved that to happen in the first place.

My DM is one of those people who believes that men are gods because they have jobs and you never "go against" them. She was often on the receiving end of my DF's wrath and would do anything to keep him sweet. My point here is that if I had a kid with my DP and he was doing all this I can't imagine doing what my DM did which was a) letting him act like this for so long and b) telling me I brought it on myself and deserved it.

My DF used to stay up late drinking and talking/shouting to himself. During these sessions his mood could really turn and so my DM would sit with him as a sounding board for him going on and on and on.

From as early as I can remember she substituted me in these sessions to "save her from it". So I would sit for hours listening to him rant and watching him get progressively more drunk, eventually just slurring and rambling and complaining. He loved to lecture and pontificate and even though he went round the pubs etc I don't think he could get the silent, smiling, nodding stuffed doll thing outside of his own family.

Quite often he would, either from drink or just his abrasive personality, get annoyed at my DM and be nasty/ignore her for weeks. I was always drafted in to try and "bring him round" which involved being really OTT enthusiastic/nice to try and crack the moods. I remember at christmas one year (xmas always bad as more alcohol consumed) he was raging and hating his way through xmas dinner because he was annoyed with my DM. I was in full on "oh isn't the turkey great, didn't DM do a good job, isn't DM wonderful"..essentially to try and solve the situation.

Frequently got totally smashed when out in pubs/restaurants. And I mean SMASHED and often not very nice with it either.

I regularly got smashed and again I mean SMASHED with both my DPs in pubs from around 14. I know nowadays that is totally not on but I am 39. I kind of think drinking with your parents was a bit more acceptable ( not saying it was right just that it was more common) then at the same time though, I really was drinking hard. I don't mean like I had 3 buds and got tipsy. I mean like wine and spirits for hours and throwing up. I think my DF saw me as a drinking buddy and not a daughter in a way.

Being young, dumb and very enmeshed I thought all this was great. No one else I knew would be allowed to go to the pub so often, let alone be able to afford to pay for all the drinks I was getting through. And here was my mum and dad buying me drink after drink, often night after night. I thought that was great at the time.

When I was 17 me and my DPs went on holiday and we got drunk every night minimum. We usually started drinking around noon. Again, I am talking hard drinking, not a couple of beers. One morning I got up and my Ps had all these bottles of spirits open in the little kitchen. They mixed me this huge, very strong cocktail and started shouting that I was boring when I didn't drink it. Eventually I just drank it. I think about that moment a lot now, I wish I hadn't done that.

The thing is, a week before that holiday I was having (one) glass of red wine at home and my mum went off on one about how I was an alcoholic. It's clear to me now that my Ps were fine with me drinking huge amounts with them and to keep my DF happy but if I had something alone I was then a problem. Not that it was ever suggested I seek help for this problem because a) that would be shameful and b) (unspoken) who would my dad drink with if I wasn't going to. I can see now that they didn't want me to stop drinking or control my drinking they wanted to be in control of my drinking. At the time I was just confused.

I'd say by 18 I was really hooked on drinking. I did seek help but got the response that hey it's what people your age do.

When I was 18/19 my DF turned very much against my drinking. I think because it mostly didn't involve him. He mocked me and put me down over it every chance he got, unless he wanted company drinking in which case he seemed to manage not to say anything about it.

A few years ago he had a health scare and managed to really cut down. He barely drinks now and only very weak beer. I am happy for him. However, at the same time his constant bitchy commentary about me drinking just got worse and worse and worse. It wound me up to be fair. Like he was complaining about something he had helped create. He's right, tbf, but I think it's a bit rich trying to stick his oar in now especially when he's not saying, "oh you need help", he's saying "I gave up, you drink loads, it's disgusting, you're a fucking alcoholic, have another drink why don't you"…just fuck off, man.

deep breath

So for the first time in my life really I am properly trying to cut down and hope to stop, that would be amazing. To that end it doesn't really matter how I got addicted. It doesn't matter if someone held me down and put a funnel in my mouth. I still have to give up in the same way.
I suppose I am just writing this down to get it out, as therapy. Also, I always had it drummed into me that I became an alcoholic and nothing could stop me drinking and I've done this to my family and so on and so forth.

Really, I think I was fed to a disease to make my parents lives together more tolerable. I know I can't throw a pity party for that and as I keep saying, the way out is still the same solution.

If you made it this far then thank you. If you have any experience of this kind of situation and have any advice then I'd really appreciate it.
I am already NC. I'm just having a tough time getting my mind straight.

OP posts:
Thingsthatgo · 01/08/2021 13:45

That is very sad to read, and I am glad that you are ready to cut down and stop drinking. Your parents treated you very badly and I suspect that you would have a very different attitude towards alcohol if you hadn’t been brought up in that environment. I wonder what made them turn to drink (much like you have). Maybe they, in turn, had issues that meant that alcohol became a coping mechanism for them also.
One thing is clear however, your father isn’t going to help you quit, and he will not be proud when you have achieved it. You are going to need to find the strength elsewhere, maybe some professional help. And maybe be proud of yourself, for finding the strength and breaking the cycle. Maybe consider a reward for yourself once you have been alcohol free for a year

Lipstickandlashes · 01/08/2021 13:47

What a brave post. I’m so, so sorry you had such an appalling childhood. Well done for surviving it and well done for seeking help now.

I don’t have a huge amount of experience in this area but I think independent help to address both your drinking and your childhood/what part, if any, your parents should continue to play in your life, would seem sensible if you’re able to access.

Very best of luck.

saoirse31 · 01/08/2021 14:00

Best of luck to you op, you had a really hard start in life and you should be so proud of yourself for being where you are today. I hope that doesn't sound patronising because it's not meant like that all. I think the effects that abusive, in whatever way, parent can have on their children is underrated tbh.

HangingOver · 01/08/2021 14:08

Hello OP, wow what a journey you've been on. For me, this stood out:

To that end it doesn't really matter how I got addicted

because this is the realisation that helped me to stop drinking. Ultimately, I justified the continuation of my harmful drinking because this that and the other had happened to me ("wouldn't you drink too", "can you blame me" etc.). Which is, unfortunately, horseshit. You become addicted because of the chemicals you ingest and the effect that has on your brain chemistry. Addiction doesn't care about the whats and whys; it just is. When my drinking started scaring me, I used to vow to " cut down and maybe stop" because my addicted brain literally couldn't contemplate life with no alcohol at all. I knew other people did but I couldn't - that wasn't for me. What if I tried and failed? Surely it'd mean I'd never have any fun again? What about holidays? Weddings?? Turns out all that is the last kicking and screaming of your addicted brain trying to keep you where you are. But I promise, once your sober and your brain has started recovering there is so so so much goodness waiting for you on the other side.

SO, if you can start to separate the horrible, horrible things you've been through with where you are now then you may or may not find any of the following useful (this is how I gave up but again, your journey may be different):

  • join the long running sober thread on here (I can send you the link but it's the busiest one under alcohol support)
  • look into a sobriety community that you think might suit you. I personally have issues with AA but found SMART very useful. It's CBT based recovery tips and tricks and the online meetings don't require you to say anything or even turn your camera on if you don't want to.
  • get reading/listening if you prefer audiobooks like I do. Become an expert in addiction. It's SO SO empowering knowing why addiction makes you feel the way you do and behave in certain ways. Helps you to realise you aren't wrong or bad, it's literally just neurological fact. Start with: alcohol lied to me, this naked mind, unexpected joy of being sober, glorious rock bottom and drink?.
  • speak to a GP before you decide to stop; they can advise if you need a medical detox (I didn't and I was on about 90 units per week) but only they can make that judgement on your safety. I was really scared to talk to my GP but it was actually almost anticlimactic because they clearly speak to so many people with the same issue day in day out!
  • lots of people find that rather than picking a day and sticking to it, sobriety comes by stringing together more and more sober days, so don't beat yourself up if it takes a few attempts. Most people in recovery count sober days a cumulative - all your good work is not undone by one slip; use them as a learning opportunity to see what set you off
  • as you sober up, get some B Vitamins down you, alcohol rinses our body of b vitamins and you'll feel less shitty

Your so brave for coming to this realisation and I'm excited for you for the freedom that lies ahead. Addiction has been called a conditioning of "terminal uniqueness"... And I promise you I truly believed I was the one that was too uniquely damaged/lazy/weak-willed/addicted to find sobriety... It's just your brain playing tricks on you. I'm 15 months sober and my life has changed COMPLETELY. Feel free to PM me and hope to see you on the sober thread. Good luck OP, I'm rooting for you!

MatildaTheCat · 01/08/2021 14:24

@HangingOver what a brilliant post.

OP good luck with this.

NorthernBirdAtHeart · 01/08/2021 15:09

I totally agree with @HangingOver’s brilliant post, especially ‘You’re so brave for coming to this realisation and I'm excited for you for the freedom that lies ahead.

Best of luck OP, you CAN do this x

tavishock · 01/08/2021 15:32

@Thingsthatgo My parents certainly had their reasons for drinking/using drink to manage emotions but yes, my dad will never be happy whether I keep going, cut down, quit or anything else. I've just had to let him (and my dm) go really.

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soberfabulous · 01/08/2021 15:36

OP the fact that you are aware of this is an amazing first step.

I'm an adult child of two alcoholic parents.

I stopped drinking almost 4 years ago as I didn't want to follow in their footsteps.

I can recommend an incredible book calls Adult Children o f alcoholics. It made everything in my life make sense.

tavishock · 01/08/2021 15:47

@Lipstickandlashes You know I've kind of found forums like this more helpful than therapy in a way, although I've been having that too. Thanks for the good wishes :)

@saoirse31 thank you, you don;t sound patronising at all...it's taken a long time to work all this out tbh.

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dontblamemee · 01/08/2021 15:56

@tavishock and @HangingOver
You are both an inspiration.

Like @tavishock I've been drinking heavily, facilitated by my parents who are both alcoholics since I was 13. I'm now in a relationship with an alcoholic. But it's all dressed up as fun and frolicks because we deserve this, because we work so hard and we've been through so much. All my friends drink. It's so normal. It's all around me and I just want to STOP

tavishock · 01/08/2021 16:45

@HangingOver wow, thank you so much for all that information and encouragement. And congratulations on 15 months and your new life.

I never thought I would say this but I am actually excited about a life without drinking, I never have been before. I understand what you mean about uniqueness, it feels like a relationship in that way but alcohol isn't exactly faithful, so everyone who is addicted kind of has the same feeling towards it.

I do need to go to the GP, I need to transfer to a new one tbh. It's reassuring that telling them was anticlimactic! I think that's something that's worrying me, that the person would go "OMG, you're drinking how much?!" Because obviously I left the recommended units behind a long time ago. They would be right to be shocked but a matter of fact, non judgemental response would certainly be more helpful to me.

I wasn't really sure about posting on the sober thread as I am still drinking and if people are sober I'm not sure me talking about that would really help? I kind of thought it was more a sober space.

Education/books definitely help, I'll look up your recommendations tonight. I am reading the unexpected joy of being sober and I really saw myself in the writer. Essentially her attitude starting out that what she was doing was necessary/fine/fun and then realising she was actually addicted.

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tavishock · 01/08/2021 16:59

@MatildaTheCat thank you.

@dontblamemee I'm obviously not in a position to give advice at the moment really but if you want to stop, then that's a huge advantage for you I think. It took me many years to want to. Please don't ignore the way you feel.

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Gallowayan · 01/08/2021 18:00

A chat with your GP (to assess if you need medical supervision to stop) would be a good idea. I promise you that life without alcohol is a lot better than being an alcoholic. I wish you well. You can PM me for support if you want to.

HangingOver · 01/08/2021 18:26

I never thought I would say this but I am actually excited about a life without drinking, I never have been before

You're right to be excited, it IS exciting! It's commonly said of addicts that we exist in a state of arrested development...from the time we started using out substance of choice to manage our emotions (good and bad) we basically stop maturing and learning adult coping mechanisms. This sounds very scary but it's actually incredible ... without using alcohol you really do work out what you feel and think about things. My confidence has soared since being sober.

I see what you mean about the sober thread... Maybe once you're ready for day 1 pop over and say hi, everyone is very welcoming. The only rule on it is we don't talk about active drinking so people who have a slip tend to go and come back when they've hopped back on the wagon, as it were. Alcohol Lied to Me (short book) has a checklist for your Day 1 by the way, in terms of vitamins to take and what to expect - v.handy.

And yes to the GP thing... I went in all shaking and tearful ready to make my big confessions but it was almost embarrassingly routine for them! They were very kind though.

I've actually done NHS outpatient rehab as well (for tranqs, not alcohol) and if they should suggest this might be beneficial to you I'd 100% recommend it. It sounds dead scary and stimga-ridden but they were LOVELY...the exact right mixture of firm but kind and you get support from a key worker, counsellor and psychiatrist.

TrueRefuge · 01/08/2021 19:40

@tavishock nothing more to add but congratulations on tackling this head on. I'm glad to hear you're NC with your parents now, as I can only imagine that being around them would be harmful for you for many, many reasons, alcohol use being just one.

To echo what others said, well done for coming out of such a traumatising and painful childhood, and for embracing your life to start writing your own story, not the one that was handed down to you.

Good luck Smile

Bridgespot · 01/08/2021 20:15

I echo everyone else: HangingOver has laid it all out very clearly. Another thing to remember is that people often resort to drinking in order to cope with past trauma and, make no mistake, your childhood and adolescence were one big non-stop unmitigated trauma, by the sounds of it. If your current counselling isn't helping you with coping with that, don't be afraid to shop around. I do know that is quite a faff; it's hard to keep having to recount the basics of your life story to someone new. But if you click with them, the right counsellor can help you work wonders.

In the meantime, start with the GP - as pp have said, though it is a huge step for you, it's utterly normal for them - and go on from there. Above all, understand that there is no need to be fatalistic: you can get the better of this. There can be no doubt about it, your parents failed absolutely in their duty of care, but there's no family 'disease' or 'inherited gene' or 'curse'. There is an addictive substance, alcohol, and dreadful (familial) circumstances that led you to become more and more exposed to it, to the point that you became addicted. Probably anyone would have, in your shoes! But you can address it, and you can deal with it, and you can conquer it.

You're in the early stages of facing your problem, so it really is daunting to think of never drinking ever again. You'll know that from quit lit - it's what stops so many people from breaking free, this fear of forever giving up the one thing that seems to provide reliable relief. But just to kindly point out: gradually reducing is probably far more difficult, all things considered, than deciding to become abstinent. As so much quit lit says: if you try to reduce, or moderate, you have to make several hard decisions every single time you drink (made even harder by the fact that your resolve erodes from the first drink). If you decide to be abstinent, that's just one decision. You're abstinent. Decision made. Your mental energy can then be directed elsewhere. This is not to downplay the fact that that one decision is HUGE and VERY hard to make, and that there may need to be several attempts before it sticks. But one day the benefits of going without will outweigh the benefits of resorting to.

As for your father's harsh comments: he really hasn't come to terms with himself. I am absolutely not excusing him, his behaviour towards you is inexcusable, but it seems to be a classic case of projecting his loathing towards his drinking self onto the nearest drinker he sees that isn't him - that is, you. It always seems like a cliché to resort to this, but frankly: This Says Way More About Him Than It Says About You. One thing that fuels alcohol abuse is shame: people drink too much, do regrettable things and then cope with their all-too-human shame by drinking more. It sounds as though maybe he might (?) feel shame at his own past, but hasn't developed any means of dealing with it straight on now that he isn't drinking as much, so he displaces it elsewhere. Directly onto you.

You have had an objectively really, really difficult journey. You are clearly taking the first steps to dealing with it, which is a sign of immense strength. Keep on going. You will recover yourself and your life from this.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 01/08/2021 20:27

Oh god OP. Your post brought a tear to my eye.

You are so so brave posting all that and of course your drinking issues were started by your parents. You can blame them for your addiction.

I don't know what to say except I wish you all the absolute best wishes and love on your road to recovery.

Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 01/08/2021 22:05

I really wish you all the luck and success in the world on your journey to being sober OP, it sounds like it's going to be a hard and probably bumpy ride, but you certainly sound like your head is in the right place now, and while it's obviously hard, going NC with your parents, it seems like a very sensible move, as I think there will always be a very unhealthy relationship between you, them, and alcohol.

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