confused re Wales post travel testing if not permanent Welsh resident

[FelineFoxy]

We are in France, about to return to England. So Day2&8 pcrs + quarantine.
However DD17 is going to Wales the next day. So 'port of entry' is England, but address on the passenger locator form will be Wales, that is where she will quarantine. For context, we live in England, not Wales (she is visiting a friend).
I understand that Welsh residents have to use a government specified pcr provider called CTM (in fact they are understandably annoyed because us English can shop around and use cheaper private suppliers).
However when I tried to book her Day2&8 pcr with CTM their website says "each order must be for each travellers home address. You are not allowed to order tests to be delivered to your address for people who are not normally resident at the delivery address.”

I presumed therefore that the ‘only use CTM not private suppliers’ rule does NOT apply to Welsh visitors (only for Welsh residents) - I have therefore ordered her pcrs from a private supplier. These will be delivered to my home address in England & I plan to courier the tests to her in Wales.

So to recap, seemingly as an English resident I can't order from CTM.
However I am now worried that using a private supplier's test while in Wales might cause a problem.
Has anyone else done this?

PS. i have spoken to someone at CTM who was clueless, just said look online. Can't find anything online

As others have said your DD should absolutely not be travelling to Wales in the first place. Especially as I very much doubt she will actually bother to quarantine when she is in Wales with her friend

No wonder we're in such a mess!!

Even if the dd stays in england she can't use the test and release to enter wales after 5 days. Its not allowed at all to go out in wales until 10 days has past coming back from France unless uou are isolating there. If your daughters home address is in England that is where she should he isolating.

The definition of 'isolate' is to be alone or apart from others. Why on earth would a 17yo be staying with a friend under those conditions? I despair!

Your daughter should not be ‘visiting a friend’ during her isolation period!
Why would her friend agree to this?

Wakes are quite hot on the travel stuff. Your daughter should isolate at home - she can’t go home for a day and then on to Wales then next day. Also if Borderforce check your PLFs on arrival you’re risking a £10k fine if you put an address that’s not hers.

Tell her not to come we don't want her here when she is supposed to be quarantining

The bold below is verbatim from the UK gov rules for those arriving in the Uk from an Amber or Amber plus list country required to quarantine..

When you arrive in England, you must travel directly to the place you’re staying and not leave until 10 days have passed.

There is a caveat allowing overnight stops in temporary accommodation if it’s a long journey but there is also the statement that:

“ You must quarantine in one place for the full quarantine period, where you can have food and other necessities delivered.”….

I suspect the intent is that once you get to regular permanent accommodation such a family home you stay there….you don’t go home for one night and then move on again.

www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

@EmergencyHydrangea

Tell her not to come we don't want her here when she is supposed to be quarantining

This!!!

She shouldn't be going to visit a friend to isolate. This is why you're struggling with the PCR test as it's supposed to be your home address.

She should isolate at home, not on a jolly to Wales. It’s not an overnight stop and you know it.

I’m massively amused by you insisting Wales is a long way from airports. Pretty much 90% of the population are less than 3-4 hours from Heathrow or Birmingham, most an easy drive down the M4. Hardly worthy of an overnight stay if you’re travelling direct, which she’s not.

YABVVVVU

You DD needs to quarantine at home in england.

Visiting a friend is not allowed when she should be quarantining FFS!

She’s being massively selfish and you’re equally irresponsible for encouraging her to do so.

I am so so sick of selfish people like you and your daughter.

You know this isn't allowed but you don't care about anyone but yourselves so you're going to do it anyway.

Oh come on, as if this is allowed. Many people are visited to in order to check they are quarantining. Telling them your daughter has gone to Wales will land you a fine. Your daughter doesn’t live in Wales, she should not be going to someone else’s house to quarantine miles from home. Surely you know this?

What is so important about this visit that means you think the rules don’t apply to you? The reason you can’t find information on it is because you shouldn’t be doing it! Stay on your side of the border please, as I would if it was the other way around.

She can’t get a test in Wales because she’s not a resident of Wales and therefore not allowed to quarantine there. You cannot quarantine “with a friend” either, that’s not how it works.

You cannot quarantine “with a friend” either, that’s not how it works

In England you can..it’s listed in the rules as being specifically allowed..” This can include staying…with friends or family”, but it’s not allowable in the way the OP seems to be trying to do it.

We are not residents in Wales but were able to use CTM tests for our ten day quarantine in North Wales. The problem might be because your PLF may only have space for one address for returning and you need to put one in England and one in Wales. You cannot use another test provider unless you are happy to risk a £1000 fine.

Some friends of ours risked it and didn’t get fined (used Randox). We completed our ten days earlier this week. No one rang or visited to check on us for the whole quarantine period, though friends in England were checked up / called on daily.

Please don't let your daughter come to Wales until she has done her full isolation at your home in England.

From, a Welsh resident.

I just thought I'd update you all! We have changed the plans and she is no longer going to quarantine in Wales. I was not deliberately trying to break rules, I had called the government helpline and been told it was ok to quarantine at a different UK address AND that an overnight stopover en route was ok - however I posted here for advice because I wanted to make sure. I think the advice here was pretty unequivocal, and it gave me food for thought. Anyway, travel plans already changed, I'm super unpopular with DD (and the family in Wales) but I feel I've done the right thing. No more flaming please!

Thank you

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme

Those saying travelling to visit a friend isn't quarantining sound logical except for the fact that those resident outside the UK travelling to visit friends or family in any UK country can - and indeed have to- quarantine at a nominated UK address. This is infuriatingly stupid for those of us double vaccinated and travelling to the UK from countries with vastly lower overall incidence and lower varient incidence than the UK btw.

None of it is actually logical and its still incredibly poorly and incompletely thought through on the part of the goverments of UK countries.

There just isn't a correct answer for some questions because not every scenario has been planned for.

Meaures for anyone doing anything other than going on a standard holiday leaving from and returning to a UK home address are a delightful mixture of punitive and half cocked...

I think the reason we are keeping quarantine from France is because of higher incidence of the Beta variant there and the concerns about it being more vaccine resistant than other strains. We were rightly criticised for allowing delta into the country and now we are trying to prevent beta overtaking it

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-57869880.amp

I think the reason we are keeping quarantine from France is because of higher incidence of the Beta variant there

For the sake of those still planning on traveling here to France can I point out the incidence of beta not significantly higher here than it is in many other European countries…it is however high in the French Dom-Tom of La Reunion……in the Indian Ocean…

I think it’s now been generally recognized HMG stuffed up, didn’t understand the French stats or French geography…but even when the stuff up was obvious there was no way they were going to rethink the decision.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/covid-cases-are-up-6000-miles-from-paris-france-baffled-by-uk-quarantine-change

This thread is so funny

@Hothammock

This thread is so funny

Why?!